No-one else could do any better....

[the-mole]

....Man am I sick and tired of hearing that crap spouting over and over again. Just read a couple of statements on this site that no-one else could come in and do any better.

Well sorry guys but that is just pure bollox! Yes in the summer we lost 4 key players. However our squad is actually bigger this season than it ever was last season. JR has run out of ideas - he is tactically inept has no passion for the game and is becoming a major drain on resources.

Everybody is replaceable at some stage, JR has done okay with what he had in the past but this season is becoming embarrassing. Now whilst I don't have a massive list of possible management replacements - I know there must be enough candidates out there who want a good bite at this job. Yes we have no cash, but we do have a great crop of youngsters who in 3-4 years could turn this club into a force to be reckoned with, unless they are sold off before hand (more than likely).

JR has run out of ideas and I would say get someone in now with a fresh approach before it is too late. At present we are in danger or relegation, we are in poor form and the tactical ineptness of our manager is worse than shambolic. His decision to keep faith in players who are way past the sell by date should be a hangable offence.

IMO no-one could do any worse than potato head so perhaps it is time to look elsewhere. If he was half the man he believes he is he would walk away from this club and tear up his contract. Still you gotta seriously question why he was tied down to a longer more exclusive contract by another waste of space -SHEEPSHANKS!!!

Anyone could do better at the moment, we look like a bunch of amateurs who have never set foot on the same training pitch let alone be considered team mates. We haven't been able to defend for the past 3 years - I am sorry but that alone is clearly a reason to clear him out.

It is about ideas, motivation and enthusiasm - none of which royle has, none of which he is instilling into the players!! We keep hearing his and sheeps spin about the club having a bright future and all the rest of the crap - stop telling us sh*t and start sorting the problems out. SO no-one could do any better - shut up and wake up!!!

[hallamblue]

I agree with you mole...but I also think that Joe has seen this Club allow our better players either "drift" away, (with the Board making no real attempt to sign them on future contracts when the opportunity arose)....or just simply sold to the first bidder for buggger all.

This has happened on three seperate occasions now - Joe could be forgiven in this instance for starting to feel .."oh sod it what the hell".

He has stated this was to be his last job - and therein is another "factor" in th emelting pot - he is simply treading water until his retirement - this not necessarily a conscious effort by Joe either - but I think as you get older you lose that competitive edge / drive to succeed . A younger man 0( in this job) would not have this as factor.

So the way I see it - Joe has persitently had his feet and hands bound by Sheepy and Co since he's been here - he has feck all to work with ..and he is close to retirement .

It pains me to say it - but I hope Joe does go to SUFC - we cant afford to pay him off....but I also doubt he will leave us !

All of the above issues plus our shocking injury problems this season is why (IMHO) we are in this mess and face the mother of all relegation battles NOW !

[StanstedBlue]

Absolutely spot on mole. According to TWTD Royle has been linked with the soon-to-be-vacant managers position at Sheffield United. We couldn't be so f**king lucky could we?

[azbedwell]

I think the constant arguement (used to support Joe) that no one could have done better with our lack of talent and huge debts is bollocks.

Just look what a GOOD manager (Burley) did at Derby. They were truley a sh1t team when he went there but with f*ck all resources he turned them around and befor ethey left they were doing well. ( This is not a call for Burley back, just happens he did well at a club with limited resources

Paul Jewel (i think it was him) did well at Bradford when they went up and he didnt have much going for him. I mean the team they stayed up with was crap.

Leicester showed how to deal with financial difficulties better than we did.

There are other examples in sure and i know these examples wont directly transfer to our situation but it shows what can be done.

I just dont see how any decent manager could have really done much worse than Joe Royal. When he took over we still had the reminants of a good squad and were quite capable of attractig an ambitious manager. Yet all he has done is kept us in the same division with a team more than capable of doing so. If we had gone down, lets face it, we would have gone MAD. To take us down would have been a shocking display of mangament even with our financial difficulties. Therfore to keep us where we have is no more than an adequate job. He shows no sign of improving us and the players seem stale and uninspired under his management, so he must be replaced by a fresh face.

I so hope that he leaves as we cant afford to pay him off. But untill he leaves we will not improve.l

[Earl Blue]

I totally agree with the Mole, but what really pee's me off is how over the
past couple of months people have been saying what a fantastic job Joe has done..

What Job is that then..

How do we really know that Joe is not behind some of the exit's from PR.

We cannot dwell on the pst 'WE MUST LOOK AT OUT SITUATION NOW'

I mean come on how many fans on this board can actually see through
any type of glasses and tell me what is going to change even with injuries back.. A CHANGE NEEDS TO BE IMPLIMENTED NOW..

You only have to look as each match goes past the people who are
joining nthe bandwagon and saying the same things that were
said a couple of months ago.

[Bluebird]

I totally agree with the Mole, but what really pee's me off is how over the
past couple of months people have been saying what a fantastic job Joe has done..

What Job is that then..

How do we really know that Joe is not behind some of the exit's from PR.

We cannot dwell on the pst 'WE MUST LOOK AT OUT SITUATION NOW'

I mean come on how many fans on this board can actually see through
any type of glasses and tell me what is going to change even with injuries back.. A CHANGE NEEDS TO BE IMPLIMENTED NOW..

You only have to look as each match goes past the people who are
joining nthe bandwagon and saying the same things that were
said a couple of months ago.

I'll admit to that!

[hallamblue]

It's all futile really - Joe aint going anywhere - is he !?

[Bluebird]

It's all futile really - Joe aint going anywhere - is he !?

I disagree HB, the board, management and players have got to realise sooner rather than later, that this sh*t is unacceptable to us the paying public!

[Mark18]

It's all futile really - Joe aint going anywhere - is he !?

I disagree HB, the board, management and players have got to realise sooner rather than later, that this sh*t is unacceptable to us the paying public!

but how likely is that to happen, it aint for a while

[Bluebird]

It's all futile really - Joe aint going anywhere - is he !?

I disagree HB, the board, management and players have got to realise sooner rather than later, that this sh*t is unacceptable to us the paying public!

but how likely is that to happen, it aint for a while

Whats that mate? Cos I'm pretty pissed off already

[the-mole]

JR might well be tied to a contract and Sheepy thinks he is immortal - however as soon as the majority of fans turn on them both they will look like idiots trying to keep their jobs. If/when one goes they will both need to go.

It seems sheepy's mistakes will continue to haunt us for a long time. He tied Burley down to a riduculous contract and was probably too quick to get shot of him when he was panicking. Now he has tied ROyle and Donnachie down to longer term more lucrative contracts. Unfortunately we are in even less of a position to get shot of Royle financially.

The fans never wanted Royle, why, we were concerned about his tactical awareness, but he was Sheepy's choice. Rather than make another 5 year plan, sheepy went for the quick fix option. Hoping that the team and Royle would still be able to pull it out when the time counted. What a mistake this is now proving to be. We are far from re-building for the future at the moment. We are stuck fighting a useless cause.

Us fans have been lied to non-stop since those admin days. Time and time again we have been told the club don't need to sell. Had the club had been more open beforehand we could have sold Herman and Holland for decent fees. Instead we were told how we didn't need to sell anyone.

Last season we had a classy striker sitting in the reserves who could have given us the extra push for promotion. Pablo was blamed for earning large wages. Given him from Sheeps. royles reluctance to use him cost us dear and wasted our finances when he signed slowcroft onloan.

Too many mistakes, too much passing the buck blaming everyone but themselves for the mess we are in. Next season will be interesting when we have no where near the season ticket sales, and quite possibly sitting in League 1. We might have to except the fact that these useless people are in charge, but we don't have to be happy with it. Fan pressure will prevail if it is needed!!

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

It's all futile really - Joe aint going anywhere - is he !?

There's no way Royle will quit of his own accord. We all know how he likes to take former employers to court for breach of contract.

The fact that Sheepshanks foolishly extended his contract until 2007 means that it's gonna be expensive to buy him out. But the board have got to come up with the money to do this, because in the long term it's the least expensive option. Because if we carry on like we are, the financial knock-on from reduced income will mean that we are wound up before the cva has ended.

[Dazza]

Yes in the summer we lost 4 key players. However our squad is actually bigger this season than it ever was last season. JR has run out of ideas

Bigger maybe so, but better, no way. we lost 4 key players and we didnt replace them. Also we got lucky with injuries last season but we have had no such luck this season.

[the-mole]

We lost one midfielder Dazza, we have them coming out of our ears now.

GK I know you don't rate Price but he has done a good job on the whole and is hardly given adequat protection now is he?

Yes forwards haven't been replaced 100%, but generally speaking we haven't exactly been creating any chances at all. On the whole this squad is under-performing IMO, you gotta look squarely at the management for this!!

[Dazza]

We lost one midfielder Dazza, we have them coming out of our ears now.

GK I know you don't rate Price but he has done a good job on the whole and is hardly given adequat protection now is he?

Yes forwards haven't been replaced 100%, but generally speaking we haven't exactly been creating any chances at all. On the whole this squad is under-performing IMO, you gotta look squarely at the management for this!!

As for midfield, we lost Tommy Miller. Our midfield arent going to score 15 between them in the next 50 eyars at the monent, let along 1 season and 1 player.

GK, Price is average. Although he cant really catch a ball, which is a massive concern for me. But he has had good games. As for the defence, its hardly any different from the one in front of Davis last season (if anything I think its better!)

And as for up front, I dont need to explain much. Forster and Parkin are certainly no Kuqi and Bent.

[the-mole]

We lost one midfielder Dazza, we have them coming out of our ears now.

GK I know you don't rate Price but he has done a good job on the whole and is hardly given adequat protection now is he?

Yes forwards haven't been replaced 100%, but generally speaking we haven't exactly been creating any chances at all. On the whole this squad is under-performing IMO, you gotta look squarely at the management for this!!

As for midfield, we lost Tommy Miller. Our midfield arent going to score 15 between them in the next 50 eyars at the monent, let along 1 season and 1 player.

GK, Price is average. Although he cant really catch a ball, which is a massive concern for me. But he has had good games. As for the defence, its hardly any different from the one in front of Davis last season (if anything I think its better!)

And as for up front, I dont need to explain much. Forster and Parkin are certainly no Kuqi and Bent.

Well Jimmy Juan has 3 so far this season and has only been playing recently - hopefully he can chip in with a few more between now and the end of the season. A fully fit Westy is worth around 10 goals a season as well. There are goals in the midfield, they just need to have a go and get in positions where they can actually shoot.

Yeah we all know forster and parkin are no bent and kuqi. However Bent was hot and cold and some may say Kuqi was lucky. We have hardly given our strikers the service they need. Often playing 4-5-1 which leaves us as potent as a castrated rabbit!!

I believe the defence is stronger in some cases, Sito is a great player and Naylor gets better every year, however De Vos has been shocking and left back is still a problem position for us.

Miller scored alot of goals for us, but what else did he do? Remember about 5 or more of last seasons goals were also from the spot.

[Ojc]

JR might well be tied to a contract and Sheepy thinks he is immortal - however as soon as the majority of fans turn on them both they will look like idiots trying to keep their jobs. If/when one goes they will both need to go.

It seems sheepy's mistakes will continue to haunt us for a long time. He tied Burley down to a riduculous contract and was probably too quick to get shot of him when he was panicking. Now he has tied ROyle and Donnachie down to longer term more lucrative contracts. Unfortunately we are in even less of a position to get shot of Royle financially.

The fans never wanted Royle, why, we were concerned about his tactical awareness, but he was Sheepy's choice. Rather than make another 5 year plan, sheepy went for the quick fix option. Hoping that the team and Royle would still be able to pull it out when the time counted. What a mistake this is now proving to be. We are far from re-building for the future at the moment. We are stuck fighting a useless cause.

Us fans have been lied to non-stop since those admin days. Time and time again we have been told the club don't need to sell. Had the club had been more open beforehand we could have sold Herman and Holland for decent fees. Instead we were told how we didn't need to sell anyone.

Last season we had a classy striker sitting in the reserves who could have given us the extra push for promotion. Pablo was blamed for earning large wages. Given him from Sheeps. royles reluctance to use him cost us dear and wasted our finances when he signed slowcroft onloan.

Too many mistakes, too much passing the buck blaming everyone but themselves for the mess we are in. Next season will be interesting when we have no where near the season ticket sales, and quite possibly sitting in League 1. We might have to except the fact that these useless people are in charge, but we don't have to be happy with it. Fan pressure will prevail if it is needed!!

The bit about Pablo I totally agree with, when Royle the fat git started to play him towards the end of the season (I have the Sunderland game in my mind) he looked superb, ok he did'nt score but he had good close ball control was quick, and proven at this level.

What makes me laugh even harder about Royle and Pablo was that Pablo offered to take a pay cut to stay at Portman Road, but instead he was shipped out and we got the donkey Sam Parkin instead, Pablo was proven at Premiership level, Parkin on the other hand, well what can I say? Useless? Diabolical? Surely the money we spent on Parkin could have paid for Pablo's wages and another midfielder for the team?

I'm sitting here at work seriously thinking I could do a better job.

[SashaBlue]

JR might well be tied to a contract and Sheepy thinks he is immortal - however as soon as the majority of fans turn on them both they will look like idiots trying to keep their jobs. If/when one goes they will both need to go.

It seems sheepy's mistakes will continue to haunt us for a long time. He tied Burley down to a riduculous contract and was probably too quick to get shot of him when he was panicking. Now he has tied ROyle and Donnachie down to longer term more lucrative contracts. Unfortunately we are in even less of a position to get shot of Royle financially.

The fans never wanted Royle, why, we were concerned about his tactical awareness, but he was Sheepy's choice. Rather than make another 5 year plan, sheepy went for the quick fix option. Hoping that the team and Royle would still be able to pull it out when the time counted. What a mistake this is now proving to be. We are far from re-building for the future at the moment. We are stuck fighting a useless cause.

Us fans have been lied to non-stop since those admin days. Time and time again we have been told the club don't need to sell. Had the club had been more open beforehand we could have sold Herman and Holland for decent fees. Instead we were told how we didn't need to sell anyone.

Last season we had a classy striker sitting in the reserves who could have given us the extra push for promotion. Pablo was blamed for earning large wages. Given him from Sheeps. royles reluctance to use him cost us dear and wasted our finances when he signed slowcroft onloan.

Too many mistakes, too much passing the buck blaming everyone but themselves for the mess we are in. Next season will be interesting when we have no where near the season ticket sales, and quite possibly sitting in League 1. We might have to except the fact that these useless people are in charge, but we don't have to be happy with it. Fan pressure will prevail if it is needed!!

The bit about Pablo I totally agree with, when Royle the fat git started to play him towards the end of the season (I have the Sunderland game in my mind) he looked superb, ok he did'nt score but he had good close ball control was quick, and proven at this level.

What makes me laugh even harder about Royle and Pablo was that Pablo offered to take a pay cut to stay at Portman Road, but instead he was shipped out and we got the donkey Sam Parkin instead, Pablo was proven at Premiership level, Parkin on the other hand, well what can I say? Useless? Diabolical? Surely the money we spent on Parkin could have paid for Pablo's wages and another midfielder for the team?

I'm sitting here at work seriously thinking I could do a better job.

bloody useless top scorer ,

[Ojc]

Juan is 2 goals behind him though Sasha, and even if he is our top scorer that doesn't make him a good player, I tried to keep faith with him, but everytime I've seen him play he has been useless, cannot win the ball, cannot head the ball or keep possesion and normally fluffs his chances.

Naylor does a better job up front than him.

[hallamblue]

It's all futile really - Joe aint going anywhere - is he !?

There's no way Royle will quit of his own accord. We all know how he likes to take former employers to court for breach of contract.

The fact that Sheepshanks foolishly extended his contract until 2007 means that it's gonna be expensive to buy him out. But the board have got to come up with the money to do this, because in the long term it's the least expensive option. Because if we carry on like we are, the financial knock-on from reduced income will mean that we are wound up before the cva has ended.

Hey !...cant we re-form then as say, "Ipswich United" Plc...debt free !!

[SashaBlue]

Juan is 2 goals behind him though Sasha, and even if he is our top scorer that doesn't make him a good player, I tried to keep faith with him, but everytime I've seen him play he has been useless, cannot win the ball, cannot head the ball or keep possesion and normally fluffs his chances.

Naylor does a better job up front than him.

but it is his first season at this level and Joe spent the money on him, and whilst he was at swindon scoring all those goals he got good service which he doesnt get here at the moment, and he has 3 more years to go on his contract (one reason to support the guy), I think once we get the team playing nice and confident football again he would fit in great,

[the-mole]

It's all futile really - Joe aint going anywhere - is he !?

There's no way Royle will quit of his own accord. We all know how he likes to take former employers to court for breach of contract.

The fact that Sheepshanks foolishly extended his contract until 2007 means that it's gonna be expensive to buy him out. But the board have got to come up with the money to do this, because in the long term it's the least expensive option. Because if we carry on like we are, the financial knock-on from reduced income will mean that we are wound up before the cva has ended.

Hey !...cant we re-form then as say, "Ipswich United" Plc...debt free !!

We could do matey - but would have to start at the bottom of the footballing ladder. I am sure rules state that if ITFC as a company is wound up then we won't be able to fulfill our fixtures this season, which in turn means having to start from scratch at the bottom!!

[hallamblue]

There's no way Royle will quit of his own accord. We all know how he likes to take former employers to court for breach of contract.

The fact that Sheepshanks foolishly extended his contract until 2007 means that it's gonna be expensive to buy him out. But the board have got to come up with the money to do this, because in the long term it's the least expensive option. Because if we carry on like we are, the financial knock-on from reduced income will mean that we are wound up before the cva has ended.

Hey !...cant we re-form then as say, "Ipswich United" Plc...debt free !!

We could do matey - but would have to start at the bottom of the footballing ladder. I am sure rules state that if ITFC as a company is wound up then we won't be able to fulfill our fixtures this season, which in turn means having to start from scratch at the bottom!!

Hmmmph sod it !

[Bluebird]

There's no way Royle will quit of his own accord. We all know how he likes to take former employers to court for breach of contract.

The fact that Sheepshanks foolishly extended his contract until 2007 means that it's gonna be expensive to buy him out. But the board have got to come up with the money to do this, because in the long term it's the least expensive option. Because if we carry on like we are, the financial knock-on from reduced income will mean that we are wound up before the cva has ended.

Hey !...cant we re-form then as say, "Ipswich United" Plc...debt free !!

We could do matey - but would have to start at the bottom of the footballing ladder. I am sure rules state that if ITFC as a company is wound up then we won't be able to fulfill our fixtures this season, which in turn means having to start from scratch at the bottom!!

Don't worry mate, that'll never happen, Rossi would step in and save the day before it got to that point!