If we hadn't come so close last season..

[ATB]

we wouldn't be complaining so much now, because our expectations wouldn't be so high..

i really can't understand the mentality of people stating that Joe has been such a bad manager, and someone even said Sheepy should be sacked for hiring Joe..

as i said earlier, we were a win and a half away from automatic promotion last season, and if we had been promoted Joe would've been a hero..

by all means state that we may need a new manager, but when saying that, you can't deny the man has done a very good job whilst he's been there..

show a bit of loyalty and respect..

[the-mole]

ATB I got alot of time for you and your opinions but on this occasion all I am going to say is - SHUT THE F**K UP!!!

You can look at the what ifs as much as you like but the fact remains that JR has lost the plot. No one would mind if the team were killing themselves out on the pitch and at least try to play some sort of footie.

Why should we show loyalty and respect when as fans we have been disrespected more than most in the country. We have been lied to time and time again!! You want respect and Loyalty - Perhaps Royle and Sheeps will do the decent thing by us and walk away now before the mess we are in becomes worst.

A few of us have been saying it for years now, but more recently other people have now been seeing the light. JR is not the man to take town forward, and sheepshanks is not the man to lead the club forward either. The weakness of the board led by him is a shambles. His mistake in tying JR to a longer more lucrative contract is the mirror image of what happened with Burley. How many more mistakes can we afford to make.

Yes we came close last season - it was in our own hands for a long time. But good old JR made sure that he managed to F**K it up. So don't sit there and tell us we need to show loyalty and respect. We pay the money we turn up and support the team. I don't support Sheepshanks, and when a new manager comes in they will get some support as well.

[ATB]

ATB I got alot of time for you and your opinions but on this occasion all I am going to say is - SHUT THE F**K UP!!!

You can look at the what ifs as much as you like but the fact remains that JR has lost the plot. No one would mind if the team were killing themselves out on the pitch and at least try to play some sort of footie.

Why should we show loyalty and respect when as fans we have been disrespected more than most in the country. We have been lied to time and time again!! You want respect and Loyalty - Perhaps Royle and Sheeps will do the decent thing by us and walk away now before the mess we are in becomes worst.

A few of us have been saying it for years now, but more recently other people have now been seeing the light. JR is not the man to take town forward, and sheepshanks is not the man to lead the club forward either. The weakness of the board led by him is a shambles. His mistake in tying JR to a longer more lucrative contract is the mirror image of what happened with Burley. How many more mistakes can we afford to make.

Yes we came close last season - it was in our own hands for a long time. But good old JR made sure that he managed to F**K it up. So don't sit there and tell us we need to show loyalty and respect. We pay the money we turn up and support the team. I don't support Sheepshanks, and when a new manager comes in they will get some support as well.

that's not very nice now is it

mole.. i think you missed my point... i agree he's not doing a good job now.. but what i'm criticising is people saying he's been a terrible manager all these years.. the statistics do not support that arguement!!

i wasn't defending sheepshanks.. not that i have anything particularly against him..
but can you please tell me what this bag of lies JR has said to us over these years?

you say we've been disrespected more than most in the country.. what basis of comparison have you got? do you read what goes on, on every other website for every other club.. i'd say the fans of Wimbledon would feel a little more aggrieved and hard done by...

as i said in my original post... yes, it could well be time for a change in management, but that's not to say that Royle hasn't done a good job.. that is the point i'm making

[the-mole]

Morning ATB!!

If you hadn't of ended the thread with show some respect and Loyalty then I don't think there would have been a problem matey!!

Yeah I agree there have been fans worse off than us - wimbledon being probably the most notable case of how to screw your fans. However since relegation we have been fed a bunch of lies to keep us fans attending games and purchasing season tickets etc etc...

This season has produced more spin then a sparkly set of alloyed wheels doing a tour round the world. We are constantly told how we will be there or there abouts. The BS transfer deals and reliance on the fans to get this club out of the sh*t is becoming hard to swallow.

JR has done an okay job. Remember he did inherit an awesome squad of players, and in his first season or 2 was the best chance this club had of going up. We had the squad and talent then. However it wasn't utilized as it should have been and the blame for this Lays at JRs feet.

Last season we blew it big style. We brought in Currie, Scowcroft and Unsworth - 3 players who would have cost us dearly in terms of wages and transfers (currie). 3 players who disrupted the team and probably helped end our season. We had pablo in the squad who could have performed better than Scowcroft but royle was happy to use him as his scapegoat and leave him out.

We went from a passing side to a long ball team as soon as we signed those players - hardly promotion football is it. Statistics might state he has done a reasonable job - however given the initial circumstances there was every possibility of him doing a far better job.

He has now lost the plot and is unable to get the players playing together as a unit. However due to Sheeps tying him to a nice contract he is stuck here and there isn't nothing we can do about it. Sheepy should have left right after Burley was booted out. It was as much his mess if not more. Burley never made the decision to build new stands, burley never signed the cheques for an extensive training centre. A centre which is failing to improve this team at the moment.

There are rumours in fact that it wasn't actually Burley who signed Sereni or Finidi and that it was in fact a panic buy from Sheepshanks?? This might actually make some sense because Burley was always renowned for buying the right players at the right times. However this is just a rumour and I wouldn't like to say how on the money it is!

[Kheffan]

Morning ATB!!

If you hadn't of ended the thread with show some respect and Loyalty then I don't think there would have been a problem matey!!

Yeah I agree there have been fans worse off than us - wimbledon being probably the most notable case of how to screw your fans. However since relegation we have been fed a bunch of lies to keep us fans attending games and purchasing season tickets etc etc...

This season has produced more spin then a sparkly set of alloyed wheels doing a tour round the world. We are constantly told how we will be there or there abouts. The BS transfer deals and reliance on the fans to get this club out of the sh*t is becoming hard to swallow.

JR has done an okay job. Remember he did inherit an awesome squad of players, and in his first season or 2 was the best chance this club had of going up. We had the squad and talent then. However it wasn't utilized as it should have been and the blame for this Lays at JRs feet.

Last season we blew it big style. We brought in Currie, Scowcroft and Unsworth - 3 players who would have cost us dearly in terms of wages and transfers (currie). 3 players who disrupted the team and probably helped end our season. We had pablo in the squad who could have performed better than Scowcroft but royle was happy to use him as his scapegoat and leave him out.

We went from a passing side to a long ball team as soon as we signed those players - hardly promotion football is it. Statistics might state he has done a reasonable job - however given the initial circumstances there was every possibility of him doing a far better job.

He has now lost the plot and is unable to get the players playing together as a unit. However due to Sheeps tying him to a nice contract he is stuck here and there isn't nothing we can do about it. Sheepy should have left right after Burley was booted out. It was as much his mess if not more. Burley never made the decision to build new stands, burley never signed the cheques for an extensive training centre. A centre which is failing to improve this team at the moment.

There are rumours in fact that it wasn't actually Burley who signed Sereni or Finidi and that it was in fact a panic buy from Sheepshanks?? This might actually make some sense because Burley was always renowned for buying the right players at the right times. However this is just a rumour and I wouldn't like to say how on the money it is!

i wouldn't be surprised as we hadn't bought anyone by then. when we should have been busying sorting out how we were to consolidate our position in the prem'.

[Bluebird]

we wouldn't be complaining so much now, because our expectations wouldn't be so high..

i really can't understand the mentality of people stating that Joe has been such a bad manager, and someone even said Sheepy should be sacked for hiring Joe..

as i said earlier, we were a win and a half away from automatic promotion last season, and if we had been promoted Joe would've been a hero..

by all means state that we may need a new manager, but when saying that, you can't deny the man has done a very good job whilst he's been there..

show a bit of loyalty and respect..

For whats its worth, I agree ATB, given the resources at his disposal Joe has done a fine job here, up to the point we blew promotion last year. In previous seasons, we have enjoyed entertaining, attacking football, and lots of goals at both ends. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and armed with hindsight, it is clear that Joe made mistakes towards the end of last season, with team selections, tactics, p*ss poor defending, and most of all sticking with players that were clearly out of form - DARREN BENT!!

This season has been a disaster! Joe chose to play a midfield with three players who can't run. Joe has allowed his charges to lose matches without a wimper! Joe has allowed his team to fail to achieve basic standards of effort and professionalism. Joe has thrown away points with bizzare team selections, tactics and substitutions. Joe has critised us the supporters because we are complaining that his side are playing sh*t!

Right now, this is the worst Town side for many years, and the responsibilty for the way they are conducting them selves on the pitch lies with the manager!

So with respect - ROYLE OUT!!!!!!!

[Dubai Blue]

Last season we blew it big style. We brought in Currie, Scowcroft and Unsworth - 3 players who would have cost us dearly in terms of wages and transfers (currie). 3 players who disrupted the team and probably helped end our season. We had pablo in the squad who could have performed better than Scowcroft but royle was happy to use him as his scapegoat and leave him out.

Sorry mate but both Currie & Unsworth were good business for last season and were part of the reason we did so well. Scowcroft was a big disappointment that's for sure but is this JR's fault ? He needed someone to cover for Kuqi and I don't remember him having many options. I doubt we would have done any better without Scowcroft and any other loanee would have been just as much of a gamble.

We didn't blow it big style, we achieved a great deal and but for one result (perhaps the late equaliser against Reading) would have gone up.

For the record I think the jury is still out on whether its time for JR to move aside - lack of committment on the pitch is often a bad sign though

[the-mole]

Last season we blew it big style. We brought in Currie, Scowcroft and Unsworth - 3 players who would have cost us dearly in terms of wages and transfers (currie). 3 players who disrupted the team and probably helped end our season. We had pablo in the squad who could have performed better than Scowcroft but royle was happy to use him as his scapegoat and leave him out.

Sorry mate but both Currie & Unsworth were good business for last season and were part of the reason we did so well. Scowcroft was a big disappointment that's for sure but is this JR's fault ? He needed someone to cover for Kuqi and I don't remember him having many options. I doubt we would have done any better without Scowcroft and any other loanee would have been just as much of a gamble.

We didn't blow it big style, we achieved a great deal and but for one result (perhaps the late equaliser against Reading) would have gone up.

For the record I think the jury is still out on whether its time for JR to move aside - lack of committment on the pitch is often a bad sign though

Sorry Dubai - Currie started like sh*t off a shovel but soon dipped. Unsworth was one dimensional - hoof the ball up or across the pitch - totally missing out the midfield altogether. Unsworth at CB would have been a good choice - Unsworth at Left Back was a mistake. His style of play did not suit us in the slightest.

We had Pablo in the reserves - who is a more accomplished player then Scowcroft could have ever dreamed of being matey!!

[Ojc]

Last season we blew it big style. We brought in Currie, Scowcroft and Unsworth - 3 players who would have cost us dearly in terms of wages and transfers (currie). 3 players who disrupted the team and probably helped end our season. We had pablo in the squad who could have performed better than Scowcroft but royle was happy to use him as his scapegoat and leave him out.

Sorry mate but both Currie & Unsworth were good business for last season and were part of the reason we did so well. Scowcroft was a big disappointment that's for sure but is this JR's fault ? He needed someone to cover for Kuqi and I don't remember him having many options. I doubt we would have done any better without Scowcroft and any other loanee would have been just as much of a gamble.

We didn't blow it big style, we achieved a great deal and but for one result (perhaps the late equaliser against Reading) would have gone up.

For the record I think the jury is still out on whether its time for JR to move aside - lack of committment on the pitch is often a bad sign though

Sorry Dubai - Currie started like sh*t off a shovel but soon dipped. Unsworth was one dimensional - hoof the ball up or across the pitch - totally missing out the midfield altogether. Unsworth at CB would have been a good choice - Unsworth at Left Back was a mistake. His style of play did not suit us in the slightest.

We had Pablo in the reserves - who is a more accomplished player then Scowcroft could have ever dreamed of being matey!!

Totally agree

[Dazza]

we wouldn't be complaining so much now, because our expectations wouldn't be so high..

i really can't understand the mentality of people stating that Joe has been such a bad manager, and someone even said Sheepy should be sacked for hiring Joe..

as i said earlier, we were a win and a half away from automatic promotion last season, and if we had been promoted Joe would've been a hero..

by all means state that we may need a new manager, but when saying that, you can't deny the man has done a very good job whilst he's been there..

show a bit of loyalty and respect..

I have to agree with ATB, JR has done a fantastic job while at this club. Look at last season, he got us so close to automatic promotion with a side most people said would finish mid-table. Every year he loses key players and he has to get freebee's in to replace them and he seems to work his magic and get us up there.

Not saying its not time for new blood, but we should respect him, he has dont a fantastic job in the last 2 seasons.

[hallamblue]

we wouldn't be complaining so much now, because our expectations wouldn't be so high..

i really can't understand the mentality of people stating that Joe has been such a bad manager, and someone even said Sheepy should be sacked for hiring Joe..

as i said earlier, we were a win and a half away from automatic promotion last season, and if we had been promoted Joe would've been a hero..

by all means state that we may need a new manager, but when saying that, you can't deny the man has done a very good job whilst he's been there..

show a bit of loyalty and respect..

I have to agree with ATB, JR has done a fantastic job while at this club. Look at last season, he got us so close to automatic promotion with a side most people said would finish mid-table. Every year he loses key players and he has to get freebee's in to replace them and he seems to work his magic and get us up there.

Not saying its not time for new blood, but we should respect him, he has dont a fantastic job in the last 2 seasons.

Agreed!

[Earl Blue]

Well, I for one would pay respect to ATB as not only have I met
him when he came to UK.. His contributions to this board have
for sometime been very valuable.

However I see lots of reasons why its very easy to agree with
comments from all on this subject and for what it is worth there
are 2 things that are milling around in my head.


1). Was it the players or Royle who did so well for us last
season.

2). I believe Ipswich Town FC actually believed that the most
important issue last season was to get promoted to ensure that
the debts still owed by us and the CVA we are still was met
KNOWING that failure would criplle us over the forthcoming years.
Had we achieved promotion we would have NOT had much money to
spend on new signings because I believe that part of the CVA
reasoning was because we believed we would get money to help
settle our current financial plight. This DID NOT happen and
we will now suffer the consequences and both Joe & the Board
are now completely up the creek.