Can't disagree with this post on twtd .....

[hallamblue]

No way do I agree with Mick saying we played well, I don't think we did at all... surely we have aspirations to play better than that? If you watched any other team play like that, would you really be sitting there thinking 'they played really well'... I certainly wouldn't. The first half was OK, just above average, but we weren't streets ahead of how Norwich. It was a fairly even game. Granted, we had the better chances of the half and could have been 1-0 up from McGoldrick, but that second half performance was abysmal, it lacked fight, it lacked quality, it lacked composure and we were made to pay by Maddison who was a handful all game.

I've said before that I struggle to see what our system is - What is our game plan? What's our best formation? What is our strategy to take the game to teams? I don't think we actually have one. There isn't much patient passing, we're not a counter-attacking team anymore and when we went 1-0 down, we just resorted to long balls at Waghorn. We have two centre-forwards filling the wide positions, one who has a lack of pace and plays better through the middle and we have a midfield three with no real attacking impetus. Norwich weren't phenomenal but the reason they won today is due to their structure and system. They played the same formation they have for the last 8 games, their players knew their roles, they knew the ability of the players around them, they knew which runs were being made, who was making them, and that opened us up one too many times. I hate talking positively about them, I really do, but their attacking midfield 3 behind Jerome were exceptional. After 5 seasons, why hasn't Mick adopted an approach and stuck with it? That's what we need, some bloody consistency in our approach. I get the whole 'Mick has a crap budget' argument but surely we can play better football with what we've got? Webster, Spence, Skuse, Adeyemi, Nydam, Waghorn, McG, Garner, Celina, Downes, Huws etc; These players aren't a bunch of sloggers, these players can actually keep the ball and play football, so why the hell don't we encourage it more often? I'm so f*cking bored of this 'dogged and turgid' approach. Fair enough when we needed to avoid relegation, but we've now gone 5 years without really building anything.

Norwich came and did what they had to do - Calm the game down, play their own game, keep us out at the back and nick a goal. They may not have been Barcelona but they've beaten us again and they've got 3 points away from home. It made me so p*ssed off watching them celebrate on the boxes and then after the game and I hope there will be a day soon that will be us at Carrow Road, but with the current direction of the club from the top down, I just can't see it.

Spence got torn a new one today. I've been championing him over Iorfa for a few weeks but blimey, who could have predicted he would have been that bad? Gave possession away consistently, kept getting over-run, backed off too far, missed tackles... the whole lot went wrong. I kind of felt sorry for him because he had absolutely no support when they were 2vs1. Why isn't Mick or one of the 'seasoned pros' taking responsibility and helping him out or changing things. He had Waghorn in front of him who wasn't getting back (he isn't a winger so why would he?) so that's when one of the three central midfielders need to get their a*s across to his side and help him out. Alas, they didn't and that's exactly where Norwich goal come from. Run down the wing, cut it back to Madison, acres of space and he picks his spot. Simple, too simple.

It's just so frustrating and not just because we lost today, not just because we've lost 7 of our last 9, but I just can't see where the turning point is if there is one? The atmosphere was very flat at times today, especially after they scored, and I would put it down to our fans being resigned to losing, we just didn't look like we'd muster one shot on target, let alone an equaliser. That second half performance was insipid, uninspiring and it's probably very reactionary but borderline embarrassing. At what point does it change, do we carry on with Mick hoping something clicks even though it hasn't for 5 years? I have my criticisms of Mick, those being he's reactionary not pro-active, we are scared to take the game to teams and we play crap football.

Feel free to say I'm being OTT, I'm upset and just being reactionary but I genuinely don't see where we go in the future. It can't carry on like this. I don't know the answer, I don't think many of us fans do know the answer, but I bloody hope someone at the club does because we're rotting away season on season.

[barmy billy]

What an excellent post.

[hallamblue]

He's consistently measured. Not all posters in TWTD are crap

[marko69]

Feel free to say I'm being OTT.

You are being unbelievably OTT, but it's derby day and that's allowed.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

I agree with everything you say Liz

Unfortunately there were 2 blindingly obvious things today - budgies possess undoubted quality which we just do not have: they also have a bloody good manager who knows his own mind, and again its something we lack.

Maybe Oliveira was correct in what he said at the start of the week - for some seasons now they have been a better team than us and have enjoyed far more success.

How many more times are the long suffering fans going to have to endure a bitter defeat before we can beat them?
I'm not holding my breath - I think that given the fact that we have an owner who lacks the vision, commitment, investment, and interest to take this club forward then we are going to be stuck going nowhere except downwards for a few seasons yet.

[derick_ipsw]

No way do I agree with Mick saying we played well, I don't think we did at all... surely we have aspirations to play better than that? If you watched any other team play like that, would you really be sitting there thinking 'they played really well'... I certainly wouldn't. The first half was OK, just above average, but we weren't streets ahead of how Norwich. It was a fairly even game. Granted, we had the better chances of the half and could have been 1-0 up from McGoldrick, but that second half performance was abysmal, it lacked fight, it lacked quality, it lacked composure and we were made to pay by Maddison who was a handful all game.

I've said before that I struggle to see what our system is - What is our game plan? What's our best formation? What is our strategy to take the game to teams? I don't think we actually have one. There isn't much patient passing, we're not a counter-attacking team anymore and when we went 1-0 down, we just resorted to long balls at Waghorn. We have two centre-forwards filling the wide positions, one who has a lack of pace and plays better through the middle and we have a midfield three with no real attacking impetus. Norwich weren't phenomenal but the reason they won today is due to their structure and system. They played the same formation they have for the last 8 games, their players knew their roles, they knew the ability of the players around them, they knew which runs were being made, who was making them, and that opened us up one too many times. I hate talking positively about them, I really do, but their attacking midfield 3 behind Jerome were exceptional. After 5 seasons, why hasn't Mick adopted an approach and stuck with it? That's what we need, some bloody consistency in our approach. I get the whole 'Mick has a crap budget' argument but surely we can play better football with what we've got? Webster, Spence, Skuse, Adeyemi, Nydam, Waghorn, McG, Garner, Celina, Downes, Huws etc; These players aren't a bunch of sloggers, these players can actually keep the ball and play football, so why the hell don't we encourage it more often? I'm so f*cking bored of this 'dogged and turgid' approach. Fair enough when we needed to avoid relegation, but we've now gone 5 years without really building anything.

Norwich came and did what they had to do - Calm the game down, play their own game, keep us out at the back and nick a goal. They may not have been Barcelona but they've beaten us again and they've got 3 points away from home. It made me so p*ssed off watching them celebrate on the boxes and then after the game and I hope there will be a day soon that will be us at Carrow Road, but with the current direction of the club from the top down, I just can't see it.

Spence got torn a new one today. I've been championing him over Iorfa for a few weeks but blimey, who could have predicted he would have been that bad? Gave possession away consistently, kept getting over-run, backed off too far, missed tackles... the whole lot went wrong. I kind of felt sorry for him because he had absolutely no support when they were 2vs1. Why isn't Mick or one of the 'seasoned pros' taking responsibility and helping him out or changing things. He had Waghorn in front of him who wasn't getting back (he isn't a winger so why would he?) so that's when one of the three central midfielders need to get their a*s across to his side and help him out. Alas, they didn't and that's exactly where Norwich goal come from. Run down the wing, cut it back to Madison, acres of space and he picks his spot. Simple, too simple.

It's just so frustrating and not just because we lost today, not just because we've lost 7 of our last 9, but I just can't see where the turning point is if there is one? The atmosphere was very flat at times today, especially after they scored, and I would put it down to our fans being resigned to losing, we just didn't look like we'd muster one shot on target, let alone an equaliser. That second half performance was insipid, uninspiring and it's probably very reactionary but borderline embarrassing. At what point does it change, do we carry on with Mick hoping something clicks even though it hasn't for 5 years? I have my criticisms of Mick, those being he's reactionary not pro-active, we are scared to take the game to teams and we play crap football.

Feel free to say I'm being OTT, I'm upset and just being reactionary but I genuinely don't see where we go in the future. It can't carry on like this. I don't know the answer, I don't think many of us fans do know the answer, but I bloody hope someone at the club does because we're rotting away season on season.

Get prepared for Blue Mike to tell you are talking crap.. I personally think what you said is spot on.

[marko69]

The only real proper football argument that could be born from the TWTD post is his pish about consistency. Other weeks I read on here about every other team knowing exactly what ITFC are about......., so that's f**king consistent then, is it not?

Norwich haven't played the exact same team, exact same formation, exact same consistent game for 8 games......, stop making sh*t up.

[hallamblue]

This article / report in the Guardian ref the game is painful reading , but sadly oh so bloody true.


https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... tch-report

[hallamblue]

No way do I agree with Mick saying we played well, I don't think we did at all... surely we have aspirations to play better than that? If you watched any other team play like that, would you really be sitting there thinking 'they played really well'... I certainly wouldn't. The first half was OK, just above average, but we weren't streets ahead of how Norwich. It was a fairly even game. Granted, we had the better chances of the half and could have been 1-0 up from McGoldrick, but that second half performance was abysmal, it lacked fight, it lacked quality, it lacked composure and we were made to pay by Maddison who was a handful all game.

I've said before that I struggle to see what our system is - What is our game plan? What's our best formation? What is our strategy to take the game to teams? I don't think we actually have one. There isn't much patient passing, we're not a counter-attacking team anymore and when we went 1-0 down, we just resorted to long balls at Waghorn. We have two centre-forwards filling the wide positions, one who has a lack of pace and plays better through the middle and we have a midfield three with no real attacking impetus. Norwich weren't phenomenal but the reason they won today is due to their structure and system. They played the same formation they have for the last 8 games, their players knew their roles, they knew the ability of the players around them, they knew which runs were being made, who was making them, and that opened us up one too many times. I hate talking positively about them, I really do, but their attacking midfield 3 behind Jerome were exceptional. After 5 seasons, why hasn't Mick adopted an approach and stuck with it? That's what we need, some bloody consistency in our approach. I get the whole 'Mick has a crap budget' argument but surely we can play better football with what we've got? Webster, Spence, Skuse, Adeyemi, Nydam, Waghorn, McG, Garner, Celina, Downes, Huws etc; These players aren't a bunch of sloggers, these players can actually keep the ball and play football, so why the hell don't we encourage it more often? I'm so f*cking bored of this 'dogged and turgid' approach. Fair enough when we needed to avoid relegation, but we've now gone 5 years without really building anything.

Norwich came and did what they had to do - Calm the game down, play their own game, keep us out at the back and nick a goal. They may not have been Barcelona but they've beaten us again and they've got 3 points away from home. It made me so p*ssed off watching them celebrate on the boxes and then after the game and I hope there will be a day soon that will be us at Carrow Road, but with the current direction of the club from the top down, I just can't see it.

Spence got torn a new one today. I've been championing him over Iorfa for a few weeks but blimey, who could have predicted he would have been that bad? Gave possession away consistently, kept getting over-run, backed off too far, missed tackles... the whole lot went wrong. I kind of felt sorry for him because he had absolutely no support when they were 2vs1. Why isn't Mick or one of the 'seasoned pros' taking responsibility and helping him out or changing things. He had Waghorn in front of him who wasn't getting back (he isn't a winger so why would he?) so that's when one of the three central midfielders need to get their a*s across to his side and help him out. Alas, they didn't and that's exactly where Norwich goal come from. Run down the wing, cut it back to Madison, acres of space and he picks his spot. Simple, too simple.

It's just so frustrating and not just because we lost today, not just because we've lost 7 of our last 9, but I just can't see where the turning point is if there is one? The atmosphere was very flat at times today, especially after they scored, and I would put it down to our fans being resigned to losing, we just didn't look like we'd muster one shot on target, let alone an equaliser. That second half performance was insipid, uninspiring and it's probably very reactionary but borderline embarrassing. At what point does it change, do we carry on with Mick hoping something clicks even though it hasn't for 5 years? I have my criticisms of Mick, those being he's reactionary not pro-active, we are scared to take the game to teams and we play crap football.

Feel free to say I'm being OTT, I'm upset and just being reactionary but I genuinely don't see where we go in the future. It can't carry on like this. I don't know the answer, I don't think many of us fans do know the answer, but I bloody hope someone at the club does because we're rotting away season on season.

Get prepared for Blue Mike to tell you are talking crap.. I personally think what you said is spot on.

Just to clarify Derek, these are not my words, but those of a guy named Luke who posts on TWTD. But I agree with what he says .

[hallamblue]

I agree with everything you say Liz

Unfortunately there were 2 blindingly obvious things today - budgies possess undoubted quality which we just do not have: they also have a bloody good manager who knows his own mind, and again its something we lack.

Maybe Oliveira was correct in what he said at the start of the week - for some seasons now they have been a better team than us and have enjoyed far more success.

How many more times are the long suffering fans going to have to endure a bitter defeat before we can beat them?
I'm not holding my breath - I think that given the fact that we have an owner who lacks the vision, commitment, investment, and interest to take this club forward then we are going to be stuck going nowhere except downwards for a few seasons yet.

Again to clarify. These are not my words, but those of a Town fan, Luke who often posts on TWTD. I just happen to agree with them as I do the Guardian report.


Something HAS to change at this Club, and it has to start right from the very top !

[marko69]

And yet, Knudsens shot is 75mm to the left, it's in off the post, McGoldricks header is placed left or right marginally better, or the stretching header is millimetres right, or Waghorns dipping shot grips gravity earlier and drops......, there'd be no talk of "top to bottom" changes. None.

Ok, it's 6 defeats in 8, but there are serious "derby day" reactions going on here.

Based on yesterday's game, (which I've now saw the entire 90 mins) I believe the team will find a return to form. They were playing some decent stuff first half, stroking the ball about, making Norwich look like headless chickens at times. Ok, Ipswich began to look like headless chickens last 15-20 minutes but that was nothing Norwich were doing; that was the players visibly dropping their heads. That could be a possible finger pointing towards Mick to fire them up....... but FFS, ....., really, F F S....., sometimes the players need to help the gaffer out and bust a f**king gut when the chips are down.

Maybe, I dunno....., maybe, Luke Chambers needs to hand captaincy duties to someone else? Someone who's genuinely going to kick some arse.

[Tangfastic]

And yet, Knudsens shot is 75mm to the left, it's in off the post, McGoldricks header is placed left or right marginally better, or the stretching header is millimetres right, or Waghorns dipping shot grips gravity earlier and drops......, there'd be no talk of "top to bottom" changes. None.

Ok, it's 6 defeats in 8, but there are serious "derby day" reactions going on here.

Based on yesterday's game, (which I've now saw the entire 90 mins) I believe the team will find a return to form. They were playing some decent stuff first half, stroking the ball about, making Norwich look like headless chickens at times. Ok, Ipswich began to look like headless chickens last 15-20 minutes but that was nothing Norwich were doing; that was the players visibly dropping their heads. That could be a possible finger pointing towards Mick to fire them up....... but FFS, ....., really, F F S....., sometimes the players need to help the gaffer out and bust a f**king gut when the chips are down.

Maybe, I dunno....., maybe, Luke Chambers needs to hand captaincy duties to someone else? Someone who's genuinely going to kick some arse.

There were and always are fine margins. For me, the first half both teams were loose and both had chances.

I think the major disappointment is how we lamely approached the game after we were one down. There's effort there, but we needed more composure to knock the ball around and break Norwich down. Norwich deserved the win because they had better quality to get that goal and controlled things from there on in. That's down not just to the players, but to the manager. Team selection, tactics, training, substitutions, etc - that's his responsibility.

If there's a great loyalty to Mick McCarthy on this forum - then fine. He should take a great deal of credit for those four back to back wins at the start of the season, but conversely he's also responsible for how we play and results. He's said it himself.

Everyone sees things differently - I just felt we were toothless in the second half and allowed Norwich to comfortably see out the game. Hearing Mick say the performance was good doesn't help that much when you're on a bad run. We can't just rely on luck - he's got to get that team firing and make things happen ourselves. I truly believe we have some decent players in our squad.

I don't want to get into the pro-Mick or anti-Mick thing that's rumbling. I'm damned sure we can have worse managers - just want to see a little bit more from him to get more from the players.

[charlton837]

marko - I think if this was a "one off" then it would be widely accepted although still very disappointing. But in the last 9 derby matches under our last 3 managers we have realistically only turned up for a couple. I actually think we did OK in the first half and yes we could well have been a goal or 2 ahead, but we weren't. From my perspective there is no excuse for the 2nd half performance, we were just woeful, when we were 1-0 down we needed to be brave and the game was crying out for someone like Celina, he had an impact when he came on but it was too late.

I actually agreed with having Spence at RB yesterday, I didn't envisage him having a shocker like that, I don't blame MM for that necessarily but I also think he was exposed with no help from anyone in front of him, I couldn't even work out who was playing RM?

For me the most frustrating thing is we have no identity, no project to work to. Norwich have only just embarked on what they are doing, I don't think they are the finished article, they have something to work with, they have a manager with different ideas and are sticking to their guns even when things are not going to plan. Im not saying we do the same but what identity do we have? We just patch a team/squad together year after year and hope for the best to see us through. We bring in loan players just to bolster squad, if you are going to bring players in on loan they should be a cut above what you have any should be certain starters, otherwise they are just blocking someone elses path. This club just needs a whole new direction, take a risk because if we don't we will just drift along for many more years losing fans in the process.

For those who like to point out Norwich are a better team than us and have been for many years, yes correct but to not beat them in 9 games is inexcusable, Man Utd are much better than Huddersfield but the Terriors still managed a win, and that gap is much bigger. They won by playing with passion, heart and fight, we did that to some extent in first half and then played like a bunch of strangers 2nd half.

[hallamblue]

Very true charlton. I would also add the Guardian report is impartial and far from a derby defeat reactionary piece . It speaks the painful truth regarding where Ipswich Town are under the Marcus Evans corporation.

IMO it's time gif him to sell up . ITFC have become stale and continue to decline under his ownership.

In Mick McCarthy we have a respected manager throughout the game, but who appears to be out of touch with the modern game and its tactics.

We need fresh ownership and fresh coaching input. It pains me to say it , but perhaps the " Huddersfield way" is the way to go? Problem is Evans lacks this vision and perhaps more worryingly the intent to pursue such a quest . All I know is we cannot continue as we are. It's not that we've lost to Scum - I'd have been surprised if we'd won under McCarthy's tactics. But it's the TREND in our Clubs performances. The fragility of our composure and inevitably of our performances which have gone on for almost the entire 5years of McCarthy's managership.


Something HAS to change at this Club.

[marko69]

......., then played like a bunch of strangers 2nd half.

Genuine question....... is that on Mick McCarthy? Do you believe his HT team talk demoralised the 11 for part 2? Didn't look like anything drastically changed formation wise.

......, I'd have been surprised if we'd won under McCarthys tactics.

This is what I'm not quite grasping....... the team looked good first half, plenty chances, very unlucky. So his tactics were correct, yes?




I'm NOT jumping on a let's defend Mick McCarthy bandwagon here, and I realise you guys are seeing a lot more than me and are highly frustrated, (rightly so: derby defeat etc) ...... but it wasn't anywhere close to the managerial genius of RK in 2010, humped 4 or 5-1 @ Portman Road. That was ALL on Roy Keane.
Fully understand the feeling,...... 2012 Cup Final, (a fking CUP FINAL) Jambos 5 Hibs 1...... I felt sorry for Hibs boss Pat Fenlon that day. Those players were an absolute disgrace. Spineless, gutless, charlatans. And Mick looked like Pat Fenlon that final 15 minutes yesterday. There really wasn't anything he could've done, apart from hoping one of his players took the game by the scruff of the neck, and maybe praying for the "luck angel".

And err, The Guardian being impartial? Maybe so, but clearly stirring the pot nicely.

[charlton837]

no I don't think MM demoralized them for the 2nd half and I don't blame him solely for that 2nd half performance, the players have to take responsibility on the pitch. I do blame MM for being too slow in reacting though, Spence was getting torn apart all 1st half and we did nothing to help him, Waghorn was having a bit of mare out wide, he didn't change it. I think 2nd half Norwich upped it slightly and we just let them.

At the end of the day its never going to be easy with the model we have, we have some decent youngsters coming through which is a positive but I don't believe MM is the one to make them flourish. I would love to spend time in training and hear the talks before/after matches though, it always seems like MM stifles players by playing the way he wants, im absolutely sure he doesn't mean to but to me it just looks like hes trying to play a way that our players dont suit. I believe given our squad we have to try and play with more freedom with players in their correct position, would it get us in the top 6? no but nor will our current way of playing, would we get relegated? Very doubtful. We are what we are, a mid table team, but we could at least try and entertain a little bit.

Don't get me wrong in certain games this season we have done, im not saying we are as bad or boring as last season, but I think that apathy from last season is still here, and this is why I thought MM should have gone last season, we are only a game or 2 away from this bad feeling returning, the club bottled it last season when it came to starting afresh

[phily bon bon]

No way do I agree with Mick saying we played well, I don't think we did at all... surely we have aspirations to play better than that? If you watched any other team play like that, would you really be sitting there thinking 'they played really well'... I certainly wouldn't. The first half was OK, just above average, but we weren't streets ahead of how Norwich. It was a fairly even game. Granted, we had the better chances of the half and could have been 1-0 up from McGoldrick, but that second half performance was abysmal, it lacked fight, it lacked quality, it lacked composure and we were made to pay by Maddison who was a handful all game.

I've said before that I struggle to see what our system is - What is our game plan? What's our best formation? What is our strategy to take the game to teams? I don't think we actually have one. There isn't much patient passing, we're not a counter-attacking team anymore and when we went 1-0 down, we just resorted to long balls at Waghorn. We have two centre-forwards filling the wide positions, one who has a lack of pace and plays better through the middle and we have a midfield three with no real attacking impetus. Norwich weren't phenomenal but the reason they won today is due to their structure and system. They played the same formation they have for the last 8 games, their players knew their roles, they knew the ability of the players around them, they knew which runs were being made, who was making them, and that opened us up one too many times. I hate talking positively about them, I really do, but their attacking midfield 3 behind Jerome were exceptional. After 5 seasons, why hasn't Mick adopted an approach and stuck with it? That's what we need, some bloody consistency in our approach. I get the whole 'Mick has a crap budget' argument but surely we can play better football with what we've got? Webster, Spence, Skuse, Adeyemi, Nydam, Waghorn, McG, Garner, Celina, Downes, Huws etc; These players aren't a bunch of sloggers, these players can actually keep the ball and play football, so why the hell don't we encourage it more often? I'm so f*cking bored of this 'dogged and turgid' approach. Fair enough when we needed to avoid relegation, but we've now gone 5 years without really building anything.

Norwich came and did what they had to do - Calm the game down, play their own game, keep us out at the back and nick a goal. They may not have been Barcelona but they've beaten us again and they've got 3 points away from home. It made me so p*ssed off watching them celebrate on the boxes and then after the game and I hope there will be a day soon that will be us at Carrow Road, but with the current direction of the club from the top down, I just can't see it.

Spence got torn a new one today. I've been championing him over Iorfa for a few weeks but blimey, who could have predicted he would have been that bad? Gave possession away consistently, kept getting over-run, backed off too far, missed tackles... the whole lot went wrong. I kind of felt sorry for him because he had absolutely no support when they were 2vs1. Why isn't Mick or one of the 'seasoned pros' taking responsibility and helping him out or changing things. He had Waghorn in front of him who wasn't getting back (he isn't a winger so why would he?) so that's when one of the three central midfielders need to get their a*s across to his side and help him out. Alas, they didn't and that's exactly where Norwich goal come from. Run down the wing, cut it back to Madison, acres of space and he picks his spot. Simple, too simple.

It's just so frustrating and not just because we lost today, not just because we've lost 7 of our last 9, but I just can't see where the turning point is if there is one? The atmosphere was very flat at times today, especially after they scored, and I would put it down to our fans being resigned to losing, we just didn't look like we'd muster one shot on target, let alone an equaliser. That second half performance was insipid, uninspiring and it's probably very reactionary but borderline embarrassing. At what point does it change, do we carry on with Mick hoping something clicks even though it hasn't for 5 years? I have my criticisms of Mick, those being he's reactionary not pro-active, we are scared to take the game to teams and we play crap football.

Feel free to say I'm being OTT, I'm upset and just being reactionary but I genuinely don't see where we go in the future. It can't carry on like this. I don't know the answer, I don't think many of us fans do know the answer, but I bloody hope someone at the club does because we're rotting away season on season.

A very fair balanced view Hallam and i for one agree. I would not solely point the finger of blame at Mick and TC though. I believe Evans has a larger roll in our demise over the years since his takeover.

we lack a younger hungrier manager with real fire in his belly and Desire to build a team based on more than hoofball and ridged players. We lack quaility in more than one player and though the players have to learn new things, skills ,tactics as we all do in our walks of life there is no substitute for real quaility in a player.You dont have to spend millions either,there are many examples of these types of player. I believe we have several but when confidence is low and the teams lossing some better players tend to go missing.

My real problem has been and still is the lack of desire, from our chairman in appointing and keeping a manager that is obviously happy at maintaining the status quo and nothing more.

These are sad times and with crowds slowly reducing something needs to be done. I really hope Evans is not just using our cub as a tax write-off as i fear he is.

[charlton837]

This article / report in the Guardian ref the game is painful reading , but sadly oh so bloody true.


https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... tch-report

Yep I would agree with most of this. It wont make any difference though, we are stuck with this regime. I cant see MM going anywhere until end of season, I think he would then walk as hes got nowhere else he can take this club. However we will still be stuck with ME and I think he could be here for another 1 or 2 managers before he considers selling, maybe hes holding his breath for a 1 season wonder so he can sell when the club has some value, however I cant see this happening.

[loudnproud]

It may be a case that ME wants to change it but is struggling to find a replacement that will work under his tight regieme.

Im surprised that the media has not put MM under speculetive pressure about his job....All we mainly hear from them is how well he has done with no budget ect..ect..

[Mach_Polish_Blue]

......., then played like a bunch of strangers 2nd half.

Genuine question....... is that on Mick McCarthy? Do you believe his HT team talk demoralised the 11 for part 2? Didn't look like anything drastically changed formation wise.

......, I'd have been surprised if we'd won under McCarthys tactics.

This is what I'm not quite grasping....... the team looked good first half, plenty chances, very unlucky. So his tactics were correct, yes?




I'm NOT jumping on a let's defend Mick McCarthy bandwagon here, and I realise you guys are seeing a lot more than me and are highly frustrated, (rightly so: derby defeat etc) ...... but it wasn't anywhere close to the managerial genius of RK in 2010, humped 4 or 5-1 @ Portman Road. That was ALL on Roy Keane.
Fully understand the feeling,...... 2012 Cup Final, (a fking CUP FINAL) Jambos 5 Hibs 1...... I felt sorry for Hibs boss Pat Fenlon that day. Those players were an absolute disgrace. Spineless, gutless, charlatans. And Mick looked like Pat Fenlon that final 15 minutes yesterday. There really wasn't anything he could've done, apart from hoping one of his players took the game by the scruff of the neck, and maybe praying for the "luck angel".

And err, The Guardian being impartial? Maybe so, but clearly stirring the pot nicely.

Wrong !

1-5 at Portman Road was that sweet arselicker Paul Jewell who himself wanted to be liked by players, media etc etc. and he would say things people wanted to hear.

[marko69]

Lilly livered, whore humpin', arselickin' , Jewell?