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Post by Dubai Blue » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:13 pm

Hmm. It's an interesting moment in the season. It was not such a pleasant thing watching us play yesterday. But a couple of points do come to mind:

* Norwich looked good with plenty of movement and work on the wings but we had them well under control on the whole. They were flattered a bit by two lucky goals. For the first the ball was deflected to Johnson off Berra's heel after he had run Grabban almost out of play. Johnson took it beautifully but it owed a bit to luck. The second was lucky too although Jerome looked up for it from the moment he came on. At the other end Sears touch was a little heavy for his chance otherwise I believe he would have buried it. Overall there were not many chances in the game (5 each?) and 1-1 would not have been unfair on either team.
* Do we miss McGoldrick more than we think? His guile connecting MF & Murphy might have been more important than we think.
* I didn't see Hyam play much but when I did he was a good passer and mover of the ball in MF. Do we miss him too?
* There was a lot of long ball stuff from our back 4 but then again both sides were playing very tight on the opposition midfielders.
* For me the ref had a good game. He didn't get everything right but he didn't favour anyone IMO. Smith DID play the ball for that claimed penalty so the ref got it right and many would have got it wrong. Also he kept his head and preferred not to use the card unless necessary. He missed one Norwich off the ball foul on Sears I think that might have been a yellow but both of our cards were deserved, especially stupid Mings :?

I don't agree with those that want quick wingers brought on in games like that. I would love to see us play this way but we don't and I doubt that we coach and train that way either. I'm reminded of Sterling playing for England in the last World Cup. He looked like he was playing some kind of cameo in a team that played a different way, we would have looked the same if a quick winger had been used IMO. We need to continue playing to our strengths and we know what those strengths are.

All 3 top teams lost 2-0 this weekend and the other two lost to teams well down the table, one of which we had recently beaten.

Nobody in this league stands out consistently. We still have a great chance to be in the top 2 and so have Norwich and maybe 4 or more other teams.

It won't be over until the fat lady sings, I just hope that Forest & Blackburn will have nothing left to play for when we meet them.......

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Post by number 9 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:25 pm

tractorollson wrote:Having slept after yesterdays awful result, it has been a good season. The difference between it being a good and great season was by strengthening or lack of it in january.
We have no hub in the midfield and that has cost us ultimately as well as poor defending recently. Loans are all well and good but they are mainly for players looking to get in the shop window.
I just think we now need to look at building our midfield and get some players in in the summer. ME has to dig in deeper if we are going to hit the premiership next season. We arent good enough this season but it has been progress and good to see young players getting a chance too.
Yeah that pretty much hits the nail on the head. Unfortunately, they'll be other championship teams (with money!) strengthening next season as well. Plus they'll be the three relegated teams floating down on their bloody parachute payments! I definitely want MM/TC to hang around, but at some point there needs to be some flexibility in team selection and tactics. MM and many others keep saying we're only a few points off automatic...MM said if we make the play offs the season would have been a success...then why not fkn go for it when you're this close!!! That's what I don't get. And if anyone says we are going for it, I'd have to disagree. Too many performances have been sloppy and cautious since Christmas...for me that isn't going for it. The players should be chomping at the bit for every match from now until the end of the season. To be this close to promotion and not give 110% for every minute you play is unacceptable. I honestly hope we see some changes soon.

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Post by ipswichtownNo1 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:42 pm

Ohiotractorboy wrote:
tractorollson wrote:Having slept after yesterdays awful result, it has been a good season. The difference between it being a good and great season was by strengthening or lack of it in january.
We have no hub in the midfield and that has cost us ultimately as well as poor defending recently. Loans are all well and good but they are mainly for players looking to get in the shop window.
I just think we now need to look at building our midfield and get some players in in the summer. ME has to dig in deeper if we are going to hit the premiership next season. We arent good enough this season but it has been progress and good to see young players getting a chance too.

Agree with all of this. Need to solidify midfield and get in a couple of difference making players
Hmm 5 points off top and 3 off second. OMG I DIDNT REALISE JUST HOW SH!T WE ARE. Very frustrating it is but all to play for. MM just needs to sort midfield which is one thing i do agree on. I also think smith needs a spell on bench with chambers in his place.

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Post by Ohiotractorboy » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:04 pm

ipswichtownNo1 wrote:
Ohiotractorboy wrote:
tractorollson wrote:Having slept after yesterdays awful result, it has been a good season. The difference between it being a good and great season was by strengthening or lack of it in january.
We have no hub in the midfield and that has cost us ultimately as well as poor defending recently. Loans are all well and good but they are mainly for players looking to get in the shop window.
I just think we now need to look at building our midfield and get some players in in the summer. ME has to dig in deeper if we are going to hit the premiership next season. We arent good enough this season but it has been progress and good to see young players getting a chance too.

Agree with all of this. Need to solidify midfield and get in a couple of difference making players
Hmm 5 points off top and 3 off second. OMG I DIDNT REALISE JUST HOW SH!T WE ARE. Very frustrating it is but all to play for. MM just needs to sort midfield which is one thing i do agree on. I also think smith needs a spell on bench with chambers in his place.

:lol: When did I say we are sh*t? Love MM, think he is doing a fantastic job. If you read my comments on the booing fans thread, you will see I am very pleased with this season and I drew comparisons to past seasons. I am praying we get promoted for if no other reason, we get a ton better coverage of the PL than Championship over here.

The problem is, for the past two months any decent side we play, we can't seem to score. ME did not seem to open his wallet to sign an impact player which is needed, most notably in the midfield. If we get promoted, or stay in the Championship, we need to address this problem which was my point.

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Post by Dubai Blue » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:09 pm

I think ME did open his wallet. Knockaert would not have been cheap and I'm sure Wood isn't either, not to mention Varney, Sears, Chaplow & a new contract for Bishop. None of these guys are playing for charity.

I don't think ME is the cause of the problem, if there even IS a problem.

Just my opinion though.......

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Post by Bluemike » Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:47 pm

I just don't get wh people are saying we need to "open the wallet" We have and are !!!

I also don't get the comments that we "Are not good enoug this season " ?? Really ?? Don't judge us on losing yesterday, or in fact on the last six fixtures, we are 6th so at thios moment in time we are good enough to be in the play off's, that is a fact. We are also three points off the top two, that is fact, saying we will miss out is NOT a fact, it is an opinion,yes it may come true but bloody hell lets not write the season off again just as many did a few weeks age only to jump back on the bandwagon when we turned it around.

Nobody can argue that yesterday wasnt great and we all agree that we would like a couple of changes to the line up but we are where we are on merit, using those tactics and players, again another fact. We have to keep the faith, we have a dozen games that will define our season, not yesterdays defeat.

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Post by The Odious Mr Rossi » Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:39 pm

bluemike wrote:I just don't get wh people are saying we need to "open the wallet" We have and are !!!

I also don't get the comments that we "Are not good enoug this season " ?? Really ?? Don't judge us on losing yesterday, or in fact on the last six fixtures, we are 6th so at thios moment in time we are good enough to be in the play off's, that is a fact. We are also three points off the top two, that is fact, saying we will miss out is NOT a fact, it is an opinion,yes it may come true but bloody hell lets not write the season off again just as many did a few weeks age only to jump back on the bandwagon when we turned it around.

Nobody can argue that yesterday wasnt great and we all agree that we would like a couple of changes to the line up but we are where we are on merit, using those tactics and players, again another fact. We have to keep the faith, we have a dozen games that will define our season, not yesterdays defeat.
I guess a lot of people think we need to have opened the wallet because yesterday it was patently obvious that Norwich have better players than we do, not to mention a much bigger squad. I think I read that their squad cost £50m to assemble. Derby et al are similarly better equipped than us.
Yes, we have had a wonderful season and that has been achieved on virtually no cash injection at all. Trouble is, given that we were briefly top of the league, nobody can deny that we have no momentum at the moment. Norwich definitely have, and worryingly so do Wolves.
We've been in this league longer than any other team - and this is our best chance for years of getting out of it. So you have to understand people wondering why more resources have not been made available.
I guess also that a lot of fans are starting to think that we will never get promotion - the teams coming down each season from the Premier have massive parachute payments, there is always one or two existing teams that seem to find cash to spend, and it does not give much hope for us given the pitiful sums of money the owner seems to be willing to give to MM.
Personally, I think that ME is bitterly regretting buying the club. I'm sure he thought when he bought it that all he had to do was install a high profile manager and we would get promoted and he could then use the club as a good medium for his business entertaining. It's gone sadly wrong, mainly because he appointed the wrong managers. I think that now he is resigned to the fact that his dream is not going to come cheap, but being the cautious businessman he is he's just going to hang onto his money and hope for a miracle. There's not a lot of encouragement for the future there.

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Post by loudnproud » Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:41 pm

Anyone who believes for one moment that playing hoof ball is the right thing to do to get into the premiership is deluded. This game once again like the first one at PR lacked quality and passion from the players and for the fans who spend plenty to follow it,Its simply not acceptable.

Narwich were streets ahead of this current town performance and yes in contrast as to what they have spent to ours,they should be.

Managers and players need to understand the importance of local derbies and what they mean to the fans. Sorry MM......Its not just another game, as you are not just another manager...very very disappointing :evil: :evil:

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Post by barmy billy » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:02 pm

Some interesting comments, particularly from No9 and Rossi.

Without either a lot of luck or an exceptionally talented manager it seems unlikely that we will ever get out of the Championship. With parachute payments for those coming down and other teams being prepared to spend more than us, odds will really be stacked against us. Perhaps MM is that exceptional manager and we will get there this time. I really hope so, otherwise I fear for us.

I like the comment questioning whether ME regrets buying the Club. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that is the case, unless of course it suits him in other ways.

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Post by hallamblue » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:26 pm

The Championship is no longer an even playing field , thanks to the influence if the Sky money in the PL. Its well and truly pissed up football in this Country IMO. This was more than apparent when we played scum sunday. Four years ago they were heading for financial problems, but got promoted on the back of a good (poached) manager and a squad largely complied of league 1 players. Their time in the PL, barely surviving saw them net £m's. They are evetually relegated and for that failure are promptly rewarded with a parachute of a further £60m! This was illustrated when they brought on substitutes consistenting of two players costing them a combined £8m. How the hell are we going to compete with that when the FFP inhibits Evans spending power?

Norwich fans are currently congratulating themselves on making the play off zone - BIG DEAL!

Frankly they should have been there all season, with the quality of squad they have and the level of money they have spent.

Now the REAL success story, is down the road in the Blue half of East Anglia. Mick McCarthy has worked
bloody miricles on f*ck all money. Our style of play is not ideal ( I like many other Town fans hate it, in fact). But MM gets thd best out of the calibre of players he can afford to bring into the C,ub. Will it ge enough tonsecureva play off place? Time will tell. But the better manager and the better managership is happening right here at PR on buggar all funds.

As long as Sky TV runs football, the league within a league in the Championship will continue and the gap become bigger. The so called "better " clubs are not better, they are just financially better off.

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Post by Bluemike » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:45 pm

Absolutely spot on, 100% correct.

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Post by Charnwood » Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:19 pm

.... and that's one very good reason why we shouldn't easily let slip the best opportunity we've had in years to secure promotion.

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Post by marko69 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:39 pm

Mevans should go put a few million quid on Norwich winning the Championship. Odds are very tempting.

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Post by Charnwood » Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:55 pm

Similarly I think Forest could be the surprise team making the Play Offs this season. Since Doogie Freedman replaced Stuart Pearce at Nottingham on 1st February Forest have been transformed, P6. W5. D1. L0. F19. A8. Pts16 ..... all in the month of February.

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Post by marko69 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:03 pm

Yup, with Alex Neil & Dougie Freedman....., its basically the Scotsmen putting their boots up these English arses, Charnwood. :D

Nothing would surprise me if Forest are up there come May.

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Post by Bluemike » Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:46 pm

No chance.

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Post by Dubai Blue » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:31 pm

People keep talking about the parachute payments, and for sure they are big numbers, but IMO they don't translate into success in the Championship. Last years relegated clubs were Norwich Cardiff & Fulham. Norwich are doing okay but needed to change manager, Cardiff are 15th & Fulham 19th. Wigan were relegated the season before weren't they? Now they look nailed on for another relegation. Of course there are success stories too but it's not all one-way.

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