Premier League - Ipswich Town vs Leicester City Preview & Matchday Thread

[Bluemike]

Purely based on this game there was definitely errors made, suspect or just ineptitude matters not, we were robbed, every man and his Dog are saying it, except the fuckwits Lineker, Dermot Gallagher, the inbreds from Norfolk and the tossers that were in charge Saturday.

[MasseyFerguson]

I have a cousin who is a huge Spurs fan. I was telling him about this forum discussion regarding the Premier League.

He says there is truth in it. Spurs fans are convinced that everything about the Premier League is corrupt, that officials always discriminate against Tottenham, and that the media never gives them a fair shake. He says it happens all the time for them, and particularly when City, Arsenal, United, Liverpool and Chelsea are involved.

He says our Forum is mild compared to theirs!

[marko69]

I have a cousin who is a huge Spurs fan. I was telling him about this forum discussion regarding the Premier League.

He says there is truth in it. Spurs fans are convinced that everything about the Premier League is corrupt, that officials always discriminate against Tottenham, and that the media never gives them a fair shake. He says it happens all the time for them, and particularly when City, Arsenal, United, Liverpool and Chelsea are involved.

He says our Forum is mild compared to theirs!

To be fair though, Massey......, when all the bigger clubs were making an arse of it, Spurs didn't take their opportunity to win the league. Shitty Leicester won it. That season was there on a plate for Spurs and they "Hibsed it".

[Bluemike]

I have a cousin who is a huge Spurs fan. I was telling him about this forum discussion regarding the Premier League.

He says there is truth in it. Spurs fans are convinced that everything about the Premier League is corrupt, that officials always discriminate against Tottenham, and that the media never gives them a fair shake. He says it happens all the time for them, and particularly when City, Arsenal, United, Liverpool and Chelsea are involved.

He says our Forum is mild compared to theirs!

Wolves are convinced of it too

[AzzurroMark]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/HiByLQ ... tid=UalRPS

Don't watch if you're still feeling aggrieved about the non penalty shout! Gallagher obviously hasn't got the balls to criticise the referee's decision! Talk about closing rank! The other pundits clearly describe it as 'stone wall' and i've seen nothing yet to change my mind!

[Bluemike]

Yeah see my previous post, I added his name to the list of tossers

[Andym]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/HiByLQ ... tid=UalRPS

Don't watch if you're still feeling aggrieved about the non penalty shout! Gallagher obviously hasn't got the balls to criticise the referee's decision! Talk about closing rank! The other pundits clearly describe it as 'stone wall' and i've seen nothing yet to change my mind!

That’s exactly why VAR has to go. Not fit for purpose.

[Mariner67]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/HiByLQ ... tid=UalRPS

Don't watch if you're still feeling aggrieved about the non penalty shout! Gallagher obviously hasn't got the balls to criticise the referee's decision! Talk about closing rank! The other pundits clearly describe it as 'stone wall' and i've seen nothing yet to change my mind!

Can't see the link but read somewhere Gallagher has said it was just a clash of bodies there should be some investigation on poor biased decisions by refs its happening frequently & needs to stop.

[Charnwood]

I’ve watched the key talking points over and over again and how the penalty wasn’t given by either the referee or linesman given their positioning or by VAR if they missed it was unbelievable and highlights the injustice handed out to the smaller clubs in the Premier League.

The red card to Kalvin Phillips was also harsh, firstly because had the penalty been given the ball wouldn’t have been in play, and secondly because he pulled out of the tackle to avoid getting second yellow. Compare his tackle with the flattening challenge on Chaplin, then it could easily have been Leicester down to ten men, conceding a penalty and 2-0 down.

I absolutely agree with most of this - except the bit where you say it highlights the injustice handed out to the smaller clubs.
Firstly, Leicester are hardly one of the bigger clubs in the league.
More importantly, a scenario of corruption is being suggested in as much as Referees and VAR are cheating in order to favour the bigger clubs - I simply do not believe it.

I’m not suggesting for one minute that Leicester City are a big club, I see the likes of them and Forest very much like ourselves and subject to similar treatment to ourselves. My point is, had the foul on Conor Chaplin happened to a player from say Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal or Manchester United, I think a penalty would have been given.
But to the likes of ourselves, Leicester, Southampton, Palace etc maybe not. I don’t have time to look at the moment, but maybe worth seeing how many penalties each of these clubs in both groups have been awarded so far this season.

[Bluemike]

Look at this table for awarded penalties last season, says it all.

https://www.statmuse.com/fc/ask?q=most+ ... +2023-2024

[marko69]

Look at this table for awarded penalties last season, says it all.

https://www.statmuse.com/fc/ask?q=most+ ... +2023-2024

On that table, seems Spurs fans are very correct!

[Bluemike]

Exactly !! And all the big boys pretty much at the top, it's corrupt beyond belief.

[AzzurroMark]

Look at this table for awarded penalties last season, says it all.

https://www.statmuse.com/fc/ask?q=most+ ... +2023-2024

On that table, seems Spurs fans are very correct!

Was going to make a comment along the lines that the 'better' teams who generally end up higher up the league table, because they create and convert more chances in the opposition box are most likely to get awarded more penalties. Likewise the teams who struggle and are more often than not on the back foot are more likely to concede!

......then I look at Spurs

[AzzurroMark]

Look at this table for awarded penalties last season, says it all.

https://www.statmuse.com/fc/ask?q=most+ ... +2023-2024

On that table, seems Spurs fans are very correct!

Was going to make a comment along the lines that the 'better' teams who generally end up higher up the league table, because they create and convert more chances in the opposition box are most likely to get awarded more penalties. Likewise the teams who struggle and are more often than not on the back foot are more likely to concede!

......then I look at Spurs

Even Spurs XG count is the 6th highest! That for me is a real anomaly!

[Bluemike]

That doesn't stack up Mark, last season we were in the opposition box more than anyone, I think we got Two ? From memory Leicester got around 16 ? It's fixed.

[AzzurroMark]

That doesn't stack up Mark, last season we were in the opposition box more than anyone, I think we got Two ? From memory Leicester got around 16 ? It's fixed.

Hmm that is interesting Mike, and certainly adds credence to any theories that there is favouritism towards the 'bigger' clubs, in this case the relegated PL sides, with their parachute payments. Having been in L1 for a few seasons, I guess there were a few other (Championship) teams who could easily be seen as bigger, if only in terms of more recent PL & Championship experience.

[Charnwood]

I’m convinced that if Conor Chaplin had been Phil Foden, Bukayo Saka or Jota and was flattened like he was, that would have been a penalty. I watch plenty of Premier League football matches over a season and have little doubt about that.

[marko69]

The thing is, if its not a penalty, then he’s got to be booked for diving or “staging” as they call it in the AFL. So the refs made a C word of it across the board.

By the way,…… staging in the AFL? Can be up to a 5 thousand dollar fine. And there’s been discussions of raising it as they can afford it.
But its not a big issue at all, happens very little.
When it does happen, the commentators will say, “Awww for gods sake, has he been watching the flaming soccer or what?”
Which is embarrassing for the soccer really.

And couldnt agree more with Charnwood……. Had it been Foden ——>> 100% penalty.

[Bluemike]

In my opinion the only reason it wasn't reviewed is because they would have had to revoke the Phillips Red card and that was never gonna happen.

[RRanger]

I just wish they'd forget this supposed higher bar for fouls given in the penalty area.As far as I'm concerned the consistency should be if its a foul outside the penalty area ,its a penalty in the penalty area. End of. Penalties are exciting for the fans in the ground and would accept more penalties given and once we got into a situation where one side was getting 4 penalties and the other side was getting 3 ,the managers would soon make sure their players were more careful in the area.....and that would include all the holding of players/shirts etc that goes on.
I'd also be much stricter on simulation as well with instant yellow cards where the referee is convinced that the player going down was cheating. A few seasons back I thought the refs were getting on top of this but that seems to have been forgotten.

[Bluemike]

We all moaned for Two seasons in League One and the Championship about how bad the officiating every week was, lo and behold it's even worse in this crummy league.

[hallamblue]

Problem is, it's so openly corrupt and bugs towards the established PL clubs. I've always said this sh*t league is a closed self serving. Sod the rest, club. I'm even more convinced of that now. It's plastic and I wouldn't even say the brand of football is that great either.

[Andym]

In my opinion the only reason it wasn't reviewed is because they would have had to revoke the Phillips Red card and that was never gonna happen.

That’s exactly the point I made to the chair sitting next to me at the match.

[Andym]

I’m convinced that if Conor Chaplin had been Phil Foden, Bukayo Saka or Jota and was flattened like he was, that would have been a penalty. I watch plenty of Premier League football matches over a season and have little doubt about that.

I am convinced you are right. I don’t think it’s intentional bias. But it is unintentional bias. “He’s a big player in a big club so it’s probably a penalty.”

[marko69]

In my opinion the only reason it wasn't reviewed is because they would have had to revoke the Phillips Red card and that was never gonna happen.

That’s exactly the point I made to the chair sitting next to me at the match.

You spoke to the chair, Andy?
Was the chair sitting on the plastic chair?
Please tell me you got no response!

[Charnwood]

I’m convinced that if Conor Chaplin had been Phil Foden, Bukayo Saka or Jota and was flattened like he was, that would have been a penalty. I watch plenty of Premier League football matches over a season and have little doubt about that.

I am convinced you are right. I don’t think it’s intentional bias. But it is unintentional bias. “He’s a big player in a big club so it’s probably a penalty.”

Maybe it’s not a big club v small club issue but more likely a big player ( who needs ref protection ) v the lesser known player ( who doesn’t ).

How ever you describe it, it certainly exists.

[Ricco]

In my opinion the only reason it wasn't reviewed is because they would have had to revoke the Phillips Red card and that was never gonna happen.

Precisely, this was my thoughts from the start, it would 'make a bit of a mess' for them and it was cleaner and easier for them to just ignore things and let it run.

It's lazy, spineless and most of all... not what they're paid to do, which is to officiate the game in the fairest and most consistent way possible. They failed, they should all be sacked for being gutless.

[hallamblue]

I'd challenge this presumption of " big club" vs small club......


Brentford are not a bigger club than Town
Leicester are not a bigger club than Town
Fulham are not a bigger club than Town.

I would suggest, they are more perceived as more "established" PL clubs. And they are afforded more protection by these esthetic officials.

These officials demonstrate minimal RESPECT for Ipswich Town FC , players, manager and staff.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

I'd challenge this presumption of " big club" vs small club......


Brentford are not a bigger club than Town
Leicester are not a bigger club than Town
Fulham are not a bigger club than Town.

I would suggest, they are more perceived as more "established" PL clubs. And they are afforded more protection by these esthetic officials.

These officials demonstrate minimal RESPECT for Ipswich Town FC , players, manager and staff.

I see where you are coming from, Liz - but it doesn't explain how the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, and Brentford managed to stay up after promotion - none of these would have been perceived as being established PL clubs, yet they somehow managed to avoid the corruption and disrespect that you say is afforded to us. That doesn't really square with me, I have to say.

[hallamblue]

How long ago did those clubs get promoted to PL? Maybe things have changed since then? It does seem worse to me on do many planes, and not just concerning us.

Maybe it is a load of baloney re corruptness, but it's really hard not to feel that way given what's happened over the last 3 games.

Time will tell I guess...
But I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that Ashton / Howard meeting this week wouldn't you?