Premier League - Brentford FC vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

[Cabanas Blue]

Gutted absolutely Gutted

[arana peligrosa]

How is this game still underway. Delap saved it but why wasn't on the field long before he scored. f*ck - I've got a live feed Brentford have scored ?

What the hell is going on there. Don't say we're going to lose, not after all that. This isn't fair. f**king Premier League ? You got to ask yourself at this moment is it all worth it.

I think we've lost, got a full time it's over. Don't how to respond to something like that.

[hallamblue]

Can't fu king defend though can we so who gives a sh*t

[marko69]

That's a kick in the nuts.

But......, can only applaud the fighting spirit in the team.

[Ricco]

Don't know what to say, maybe losing 4-0 would've been less painful...

[marko69]

Just couldn't hold out. So very saddened.

Let's get behind the boys, they need us more than ever now.

Yep. For sure.

[Charnwood]

What a f**king sickener. How the hell did Delaps late effort not go in ?

That was so cruel. COYB’s were not done yet. Just hang on to 17th, that will do for me. Great game today, bad result.

[AzzurroMark]

That's a kick in the nuts.

But......, can only applaud the fighting spirit in the team.

So very true. Not many would have given us hope today and we so nearly did it.

[ashfordblue]

why was it an extra 3 minutes added on it said 7 minutes not bloody 10, as Mike noted drop Muric and either KM plays Walton or Slicker, that's two mistakes today that cost us points, and get rid of Harry Clarke he's always been a liability at RB leaves far too much space for the left winger to operate, sorry harry come Jan window you will be gone along with Muric who again is a liability waiting to happen

[Mariner67]

Unlucky & very disappointing but better than what most of us expected before the game,I'd heard Brentford leak goals but with the injuries thought we'd get batterd.

[marko69]

That's a kick in the nuts.

But......, can only applaud the fighting spirit in the team.

So very true. Not many would have given us hope today and we so nearly did it.

Can I also say, AZZ....., you were indeed several minutes ahead the entire match. Saw your two crying faces and said "AWWW FK" out loud when it was still 3-3 on ALL other platforms!

[mugen1]

Can't fu king defend though can we so who gives a sh*t

Find it really difficult to argue against this sentiment

Gutted, absolutely gutted.

What the hell is happening on the training ground?

[Bluemike]

I said at the start of the season Muric is sh*t and will cost us points that would be crucial, everyone else knew better. He's a bloody nightmare, to go through all that today against all the odds only for him to stand there and let that in is bordering on criminal. f**king furious

[MMJR67]

I said at the start of the season Muric is sh*t and will cost us points that would be crucial, everyone else knew better. He's a bloody nightmare, to go through all that today against all the odds only for him to stand there and let that in is bordering on criminal. f**king furious

time to give Walton a go

[arana peligrosa]

One of their members on the Griffin Park Grapevine forum (Page 4) says quote "Cannot be allowing a team like Ipswich score THREE against us at home"

What they expecting, us to go there, roll over and allow them to take three points. Even in victory that's something of a cheap shot from a rival board. This has all got to be worth checking out from highlights and then some. Seems had just about everything there today.

Two goal lead lost, player sent off, referee was sh*t (once again so it seems) seven goals but missed out right at the very end. Great advert for the PL no doubt and while we doubtless showed courage and endeavor to almost take a point from it the bottom line being the team still hasn't registered a win as yet. All what if's and maybe's, had Delap started from the off, had other players been introduced earlier, had a more competent referee been appointed etc. Disappointed, but once again there had to be certain positives to take from it.

[AzzurroMark]

That's a kick in the nuts.

But......, can only applaud the fighting spirit in the team.

So very true. Not many would have given us hope today and we so nearly did it.

Can I also say, AZZ....., you were indeed several minutes ahead the entire match. Saw your two crying faces and said "AWWW FK" out loud when it was still 3-3 on ALL other platforms!

Yes I did wonder. I guess listening to Radio Suffolk I was getting it totally live. I've found even watching on TownTV (last year) that there was a bit of lag.

[Charnwood]

I think you’re being harsh Mike. If it wasn’t for Muric’s 6 or 7 saves especially two when we were down to 10 men the game would have been lost long before the end. If Walton was in goal today the result wouldn’t even have been close.

Given you predicted a four of five goal defeat you should be quite pleased.

[AzzurroMark]

We're going to win next week - I'm going!

Make no bones about it, we're in a mini league with the bottom 3 teams. Teams above have already pulled away slightly.

[Bluemike]

I think you’re being harsh Mike. If it wasn’t for Muric’s 6 or 7 saves especially two when we were down to 10 men the game would have been lost long before the end. If Walton was in goal today the result wouldn’t even have been close.

Given you predicted a four of five goal defeat you should be quite pleased.

Saving those efforts is his job !! If you can't see that last goal was shocking well I'm shocked myself tbh. It's nothing to do with Walton, it's the prat that was in there today, and in any case it's not just today, he's poor most games.

[Blue Wilf]

Just on way home feeling very deflated. Where do I start... the positives

Fans were amazing and sang all day
First 30 mins we were all over them and should have been 5-0 up. We would have been imo if Delap had started (more on that later)
Cajuste was very good
Davis was OK
Szmodics and hirst held up well but tired
Chaplin was a breath of fresh air
Phillips showed glimpses (but still gave the ball away too much)
Delap is class and should play all game every game

The negatives...
I never want to see Muric play for us ever again. He is sh*te. We worry about other keepers and their ability with feet but he makes them look like johann cruyuff. He gives away 1-2 goals every game and we cannot afford that

We give the ball away far far far too much

Brentford were not that good but as usual, against Ipswich you do not need to be as we have a soft underbelly and will give you chances. Of the 2 pre HT goals, we missed tackles and it was too easy for them. I am sure with Greaves at least one would not have gone in but alas..

McKenna - sorry to say he is pissing me off! He keeps saying its all OK and don't panic but let me tell you - we may be 4th bottom but we are in deep trouble - especially with our injury list. It was crying out for a system change but what does he do? Nothing until 65 minutes and then just changes people not system. He is so intransigent in his ways and stubbornly won't move - Kieron - it is NOT WORKING!!

Jack Clark - he should be on the same bus out as Muric for me. He is lightweight, not skilful enough and ponces around with his f**king hair and shorts endlessly! It makes me fume!

So where does that leave us? In trouble for me but we showed we can do stuff better. Sadly, we need points now as we will soon be second bottom or worse unless we buck our ideas up. Leicester is a must must win game for me now. If we can do it then we can build. Without it our confidence will be rock bottom.

Need a beer now cos I am exhausted!

[Blue Wilf]

I think you’re being harsh Mike. If it wasn’t for Muric’s 6 or 7 saves especially two when we were down to 10 men the game would have been lost long before the end. If Walton was in goal today the result wouldn’t even have been close.

Given you predicted a four of five goal defeat you should be quite pleased.

Saving those efforts is his job !! If you can't see that last goal was shocking well I'm shocked myself tbh. It's nothing to do with Walton, it's the prat that was in there today, and in any case it's not just today, he's poor most games.

Yes - Sorry Charny - I think our other keepers would have saved them and not let in the other goals either. He is a liability and sh*te. I never want him to play for us again.

[Blue Wilf]

I said at the start of the season Muric is sh*t and will cost us points that would be crucial, everyone else knew better. He's a bloody nightmare, to go through all that today against all the odds only for him to stand there and let that in is bordering on criminal. f**king furious

time to give Walton a go

Deffo - I would be a better option than f**king Muric

[Bluemike]

Just on way home feeling very deflated. Where do I start... the positives

Fans were amazing and sang all day
First 30 mins we were all over them and should have been 5-0 up. We would have been imo if Delap had started (more on that later)
Cajuste was very good
Davis was OK
Szmodics and hirst held up well but tired
Chaplin was a breath of fresh air
Phillips showed glimpses (but still gave the ball away too much)
Delap is class and should play all game every game

The negatives...
I never want to see Muric play for us ever again. He is sh*te. We worry about other keepers and their ability with feet but he makes them look like johann cruyuff. He gives away 1-2 goals every game and we cannot afford that

We give the ball away far far far too much

Brentford were not that good but as usual, against Ipswich you do not need to be as we have a soft underbelly and will give you chances. Of the 2 pre HT goals, we missed tackles and it was too easy for them. I am sure with Greaves at least one would not have gone in but alas..

McKenna - sorry to say he is pissing me off! He keeps saying its all OK and don't panic but let me tell you - we may be 4th bottom but we are in deep trouble - especially with our injury list. It was crying out for a system change but what does he do? Nothing until 65 minutes and then just changes people not system. He is so intransigent in his ways and stubbornly won't move - Kieron - it is NOT WORKING!!

Jack Clark - he should be on the same bus out as Muric for me. He is lightweight, not skilful enough and ponces around with his f**king hair and shorts endlessly! It makes me fume!

So where does that leave us? In trouble for me but we showed we can do stuff better. Sadly, we need points now as we will soon be second bottom or worse unless we buck our ideas up. Leicester is a must must win game for me now. If we can do it then we can build. Without it our confidence will be rock bottom.

Need a beer now cos I am exhausted!

Word perfect in every aspect as usual.

[marko69]

Just on way home feeling very deflated. Where do I start... the positives

Fans were amazing and sang all day
First 30 mins we were all over them and should have been 5-0 up. We would have been imo if Delap had started (more on that later)
Cajuste was very good
Davis was OK
Szmodics and hirst held up well but tired
Chaplin was a breath of fresh air
Phillips showed glimpses (but still gave the ball away too much)
Delap is class and should play all game every game

The negatives...
I never want to see Muric play for us ever again. He is sh*te. We worry about other keepers and their ability with feet but he makes them look like johann cruyuff. He gives away 1-2 goals every game and we cannot afford that

We give the ball away far far far too much

Brentford were not that good but as usual, against Ipswich you do not need to be as we have a soft underbelly and will give you chances. Of the 2 pre HT goals, we missed tackles and it was too easy for them. I am sure with Greaves at least one would not have gone in but alas..

McKenna - sorry to say he is pissing me off! He keeps saying its all OK and don't panic but let me tell you - we may be 4th bottom but we are in deep trouble - especially with our injury list. It was crying out for a system change but what does he do? Nothing until 65 minutes and then just changes people not system. He is so intransigent in his ways and stubbornly won't move - Kieron - it is NOT WORKING!!

Jack Clark - he should be on the same bus out as Muric for me. He is lightweight, not skilful enough and ponces around with his f**king hair and shorts endlessly! It makes me fume!

So where does that leave us? In trouble for me but we showed we can do stuff better. Sadly, we need points now as we will soon be second bottom or worse unless we buck our ideas up. Leicester is a must must win game for me now. If we can do it then we can build. Without it our confidence will be rock bottom.

Need a beer now cos I am exhausted!

Let me get this right......., you think he should've changed system so that the team can consistently be somewhere around 10-0 up?
First 30, you say should be 5-0......, things change, (because there IS a decent opposition in front you) ---->> you think he should change, quote, "because its not working" to maintain 5-0 form over the 90???

I say YOU need to get yourself into the dugout next week, Wilf. SHOW McKenna your formula.

[ashfordblue]

We need quality players in the defence as replacements until Axel and Greaves are back, in the meantime play our championship front line it never let us down last season

[Bluemike]

Just on way home feeling very deflated. Where do I start... the positives

Fans were amazing and sang all day
First 30 mins we were all over them and should have been 5-0 up. We would have been imo if Delap had started (more on that later)
Cajuste was very good
Davis was OK
Szmodics and hirst held up well but tired
Chaplin was a breath of fresh air
Phillips showed glimpses (but still gave the ball away too much)
Delap is class and should play all game every game

The negatives...
I never want to see Muric play for us ever again. He is sh*te. We worry about other keepers and their ability with feet but he makes them look like johann cruyuff. He gives away 1-2 goals every game and we cannot afford that

We give the ball away far far far too much

Brentford were not that good but as usual, against Ipswich you do not need to be as we have a soft underbelly and will give you chances. Of the 2 pre HT goals, we missed tackles and it was too easy for them. I am sure with Greaves at least one would not have gone in but alas..

McKenna - sorry to say he is pissing me off! He keeps saying its all OK and don't panic but let me tell you - we may be 4th bottom but we are in deep trouble - especially with our injury list. It was crying out for a system change but what does he do? Nothing until 65 minutes and then just changes people not system. He is so intransigent in his ways and stubbornly won't move - Kieron - it is NOT WORKING!!

Jack Clark - he should be on the same bus out as Muric for me. He is lightweight, not skilful enough and ponces around with his f**king hair and shorts endlessly! It makes me fume!

So where does that leave us? In trouble for me but we showed we can do stuff better. Sadly, we need points now as we will soon be second bottom or worse unless we buck our ideas up. Leicester is a must must win game for me now. If we can do it then we can build. Without it our confidence will be rock bottom.

Need a beer now cos I am exhausted!

Let me get this right......., you think he should've changed system so that the team can consistently be somewhere around 10-0 up?
First 30, you say should be 5-0......, things change, (because there IS a decent opposition in front you) ---->> you think he should change, quote, "because its not working" to maintain 5-0 form over the 90???

I say YOU need to get yourself into the dugout next week, Wilf. SHOW McKenna your formula.

Not really Marko, I don't know about 5 but if you should be well ahead and your not it's usually down to something concerning, missed chances ? Defensive errors ? Keeper f*ck ups ? Could be anything, it is good in one respect that if we should have been well ahead we must have done some stuff right but ultimately "should have" means bugger all, it's the end result, nine winless games ( 10 if you count the mighty Wimbledon), and counting.

[Blue Wilf]

Just on way home feeling very deflated. Where do I start... the positives

Fans were amazing and sang all day
First 30 mins we were all over them and should have been 5-0 up. We would have been imo if Delap had started (more on that later)
Cajuste was very good
Davis was OK
Szmodics and hirst held up well but tired
Chaplin was a breath of fresh air
Phillips showed glimpses (but still gave the ball away too much)
Delap is class and should play all game every game

The negatives...
I never want to see Muric play for us ever again. He is sh*te. We worry about other keepers and their ability with feet but he makes them look like johann cruyuff. He gives away 1-2 goals every game and we cannot afford that

We give the ball away far far far too much

Brentford were not that good but as usual, against Ipswich you do not need to be as we have a soft underbelly and will give you chances. Of the 2 pre HT goals, we missed tackles and it was too easy for them. I am sure with Greaves at least one would not have gone in but alas..

McKenna - sorry to say he is pissing me off! He keeps saying its all OK and don't panic but let me tell you - we may be 4th bottom but we are in deep trouble - especially with our injury list. It was crying out for a system change but what does he do? Nothing until 65 minutes and then just changes people not system. He is so intransigent in his ways and stubbornly won't move - Kieron - it is NOT WORKING!!

Jack Clark - he should be on the same bus out as Muric for me. He is lightweight, not skilful enough and ponces around with his f**king hair and shorts endlessly! It makes me fume!

So where does that leave us? In trouble for me but we showed we can do stuff better. Sadly, we need points now as we will soon be second bottom or worse unless we buck our ideas up. Leicester is a must must win game for me now. If we can do it then we can build. Without it our confidence will be rock bottom.

Need a beer now cos I am exhausted!

Let me get this right......., you think he should've changed system so that the team can consistently be somewhere around 10-0 up?
First 30, you say should be 5-0......, things change, (because there IS a decent opposition in front you) ---->> you think he should change, quote, "because its not working" to maintain 5-0 form over the 90???

I say YOU need to get yourself into the dugout next week, Wilf. SHOW McKenna your formula.

I know some of what you say is tongue in cheek Mako and you are right, it is not easy. Regarding a change of system, the point for me is that McKenna does not seem to have one - ever! When we are winning, over the years opposition teams have brought on a big man or a nippy winger or doubled up on a player to negate him or parked the bus or out 5 at the back or 2 up front or all manner of things. McKenna does NONE of these. He is so predictable! Although we needed changes at 50 minutes, I predicted his exact changes at 65 mins as that is what he always does! Do you not think Thomas Frank also knew that?? That is what I mean and week in week out we do the same things and make the same mistakes. We are not 5 games in any more - we are 10 games in (almost) in a 38 game season where we know already that we will lose at least 20 of the 28 left! Something has to change and FAST! For £5m an year I think us fans have a right to ask those questions.

[Mariner67]

Watching the highlights, can't see why Harry Clarke was sent off,looked like a dive & Clarke got the ball,plus Muric is getting blamed for the last goal, think that's unfair.we were just unlucky & some bad ref decisions lost it for us.

[Bluemike]

I would watch that last goal a few more times mate, although Burgess hardly covered himself in glory either.

[Blue Wilf]

Watching the highlights, can't see why Harry Clarke was sent off,looked like a dive & Clarke got the ball,plus Muric is getting blamed for the last goal, think that's unfair.we were just unlucky & some bad ref decisions lost it for us.

Unfair? He stood and watched it go past him and then dived! He had full sight and why oh why can't we expect that drift in and shot when Hutchinson has been doing it for us for a couple of years! Trust me - Muric is a liability and should never be trusted with the shirt again. He is hopeless with hia feet, blocks a few shots, granted (but shouldn't all keepers do that?), does NOT command his area even though he is 9 feet tall and built like the proverbial brick shithouse but he lets in 1-2 goals every game - it is NOT good enough! How sh*t must Walton and Slicker be in training never to get a game when this clown is in goal in the Prem!!