Rumours Thread.

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:46 pm

tangfastic wrote:Could be a good buy/loan, but really unsure if he's still get what it takes.

Let's face it - and he knows too - his best days are over. It's all about his desire to really want to play regular football.

Sometimes you can get a player at 30+ who really has the drive to want to contribute and add to the team, but you can get someone who just wants that juicy, last contract. Also, he's a wide player and - I dunno - at 30, has he still got the pace and trickery? Players over 30 who excel tend to be better in CM or CB where they use their experience rather than their pace more. There will be exceptions, but I'm always wary of too many 30 + players on the books. Mick likes and trusts them because they know the game, but you do need some raw talent and youth there to add a bit of unpredictability.

Some valid points there tang.......It's a tricky one isn't it and Mick will be in a no win situation whichever way he goes with this one I think.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:30 pm

At the moment MM's talking about using existing m/f assets as wide players - not necessarily 'wingers' in the accepted sense. Last term he took AMN, young, pacey and willing to learn. For whatever reasons, however, not a total success, and confidence blown. (But we may yet see his return - and I would probably give him another shot at it, but not as the 'main attraction').

Kightly, at 30, is not necessarily beyond his sell by date and, providing he's fit and not carrying any niggling injuries, will bring both PL experience and sound knowledge of the C'ship. Additionally, it would provide MM with options, and much needed strength in depth - where, at present, there isn't any in respect of natural wide players. I think Feeney, who slipped through the net, was around the same age - and I think Kightly's better and, according to Luke Chambers, would like to be here. If a deal can be done, and trusting MM's judgement, I think there are potentially more positives than negatives in getting him through the door. That doesn't rule out also going for someone young and hungry - it's invariably about getting the balance right, at the right price.

Post by **Bluemike** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:16 pm

Liz, the old uncle chestnut lol, take it all with a big pinch of salt, total bollocks haha.

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:40 pm

Kightly or Mcgoldrick injury?? lol...the latter ( if true), is an utter pain in the arse!

Apparently he's done his thigh again.....

Post by **Bluemike** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:44 pm

He hasn't done his thigh, it is a minor knock to his hip according to MM with nothing to worry about.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:37 pm

bluemike wrote:He hasn't done his thigh, it is a minor knock to his hip according to MM with nothing to worry about.

Spot on - just the three months out then!

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:57 pm

bluemike wrote:He hasn't done his thigh, it is a minor knock to his hip according to MM with nothing to worry about.

......" the hip bone conneca to the ...
......." thigh bone conneca to the...."

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:58 pm

herforder wrote:
bluemike wrote:He hasn't done his thigh, it is a minor knock to his hip according to MM with nothing to worry about.
Spot on - just the three months out then!

Mawaaahahaha !!

Tangfastic · Post by **Tangfastic** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:14 am

hallamblue wrote:Just nicked this off TWTD......any ideas who this young PL player might be guys?;

Now, I don't usually do def info stuff. But, here's a little titbit.

Mick is interested in a young midfielder (on loan, I think) from a Prem club. He's been in for him a couple of times before, but it's now looking very possible. He's 21, a central or wide midfielder who has spent time on loan elsewhere before. He takes free kicks and corners, gets around the pitch.

How do I know this? I bumped into his uncle earlier today (a friend of mine) who volunteered the information, knowing I am a Town fan. He seemed enthusiastic about him - but, being his uncle, he would be.

I can't guarantee he's coming, but we're definitely in for him. And his uncle and dad have said it would be a good move.

There you go. Make of that what you will.

Alex Kiwomya?

Was this under the story about Charlie Brown being poached by Chelsea?

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:52 pm

It might have been yes. Why was it you who posted it lol

Tangfastic · Post by **Tangfastic** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:27 pm

hallamblue wrote:It might have been yes. Why was it you who posted it lol

Not at all. I don't post on TWTD. Just saw the saw the story about Charlie Brown.... and in one of the comments someone mentioned Kiwomya being a replacement. Never even knew there was a Kiwomya Jr. at Chelsea. It fits, because theres mention of both father and uncle ( Chris).... both former pros. Do you know, Arsenal, Chelsea loanees.... not sure about them. Prefer a Bournemouth (Fraser) or Palace (Jones) loanee- type club... .. Not sure these big clubs are the best environment for young kids and more likely to be prima donnas.

Post by **Bluemike** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:44 pm

Town are being linked with a move for Blackburn Rovers winger Elliott Bennett.

According to The Sun, the Blues are interested in the 27-year-old having missed out on the signing of former loanee Liam Feeney, who joined Blackburn earlier this summer.

Telford-born Bennett started his career at Wolves during Mick McCarthy’s time as manager at Molineux. Having made only two League Cup starts and after spending time on loan at Crewe Alexandra and Bury, Bennett moved on to Brighton in the summer of 2009.

In his second season with the Seagulls, 2010/11, the 5ft 9in tall wideman helped them to the League One title and was named in the PFA Team of the Year.

His performances for Albion led to a move to then-Premier League Norwich City that summer, where he made 43 starts and 36 sub appearances, scoring three goals, and also spent time on loan back at Brighton and at Bristol City.

In January, his former Norwich boss Paul Lambert – who left Blackburn at the end of last season - took him to Ewood Park, where he signed a contract which runs until 2018.

Bennett qualifies to play international football for Jamaica via his paternal grandparents and in 2015 he was called up for the first time but is yet to win a cap.

No thanks, never rated him.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:17 pm

bluemike wrote:
Town are being linked with a move for Blackburn Rovers winger Elliott Bennett.

According to The Sun, the Blues are interested in the 27-year-old having missed out on the signing of former loanee Liam Feeney, who joined Blackburn earlier this summer.

Telford-born Bennett started his career at Wolves during Mick McCarthy’s time as manager at Molineux. Having made only two League Cup starts and after spending time on loan at Crewe Alexandra and Bury, Bennett moved on to Brighton in the summer of 2009.

In his second season with the Seagulls, 2010/11, the 5ft 9in tall wideman helped them to the League One title and was named in the PFA Team of the Year.

His performances for Albion led to a move to then-Premier League Norwich City that summer, where he made 43 starts and 36 sub appearances, scoring three goals, and also spent time on loan back at Brighton and at Bristol City.

In January, his former Norwich boss Paul Lambert – who left Blackburn at the end of last season - took him to Ewood Park, where he signed a contract which runs until 2018.

Bennett qualifies to play international football for Jamaica via his paternal grandparents and in 2015 he was called up for the first time but is yet to win a cap.
No thanks, never rated him.

No, No, No! (Best Maggie Thatcher voice).

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:30 pm

he's ex scum and as with any scum player they are SHYTE. No Thanks.

Post by **marko69** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:39 pm

Guys, nice 4-1 win at Easter Road today for Hibs v Motherwell, and Holty boy grabbed a goal. Fat, pie eatin, narwich c*ntybaws might be decent !!

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:32 pm

He's always been a FAT, diving, cheat lol

He'll never be any different .

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:07 am

hallamblue wrote:He's always been a FAT, diving, cheat lol

He'll never be any different .

Worth his weight in......pies!

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:59 am

herforder wrote:
hallamblue wrote:He's always been a FAT, diving, cheat lol

He'll never be any different .
Worth his weight in......pies!

lol yes I suspect he is!

Watership Down · Post by **Watership Down** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:22 pm

The only time McGoldrick is fit is when he is on the bench, the guy has only to run a few yards and he pulls something

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:42 pm

Watership Down wrote:The only time McGoldrick is fit is when he is on the bench, the guy has only to run a few yards and he pulls something

Sometimes even a muscle or hamstring!

(Sorry, couldn't resist!)

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:51 pm

Foley training with Charlton.....I was convinced he had signed a 1 yr deal with us. Oh well.

We must be getting some one in cos as someone on TWTD has just said, we have released or not kept on a total of 10 players from last season.....and the squad was small even then!

Post by **Bluemike** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:03 pm

10 players who everyone said offered nothing !!!!! Webster, Digby, Dozzell, Emmanuel, Kenlock, McDonnell, Bishop, they will all do for me over the crap we shipped out.

phily bon bon · Post by **phily bon bon** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:48 pm

bluemike wrote:10 players who everyone said offered nothing !!!!! Webster, Digby, Dozzell, Emmanuel, Kenlock, McDonnell, Bishop, they will all do for me over the crap we shipped out.

Lets hope so mike. i know you have seen these boys more than I ,just hope they have the necessary quaility to step up to the mark and deliver.

Post by **Bluemike** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:29 pm

phily bon bon wrote:
bluemike wrote:10 players who everyone said offered nothing !!!!! Webster, Digby, Dozzell, Emmanuel, Kenlock, McDonnell, Bishop, they will all do for me over the crap we shipped out.

Lets hope so mike. i know you have seen these boys more than I ,just hope they have the necessary quaility to step up to the mark and deliver.

Well it isn't going to be overnight obviously but there is some good talent there I think, add Blanchfield to that too.

Tangfastic · Post by **Tangfastic** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 10:44 am

Getting close now. Really glad to put Euro Championships behind us and start looking towards new season.

We're bound to bring in some new faces, but if we're looking towards youth as the way forward ... so be it.

And that's going to be a risky business for Mick to put his trust in youth. But could be a good investment at probably the expense of league position. I would take a position of 12- 16 with young kids blooded and with potential, rather than somewhere like 8th or 9th where we're just going through the motions with a bunch of 30 somethings.

Truly have not got a clue what's in store next season.... and I quietly like that.

Post by **Bluemike** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 11:57 am

How about top six with youth given a chance, now wouldn't that be something.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:04 pm

No doubt that we've got a very promising crop of youngsters coming through; and, providing we can hold on them, the future looks bright. Whilst I hope MM is prepared to give some of them the chance of building up their experience with some first team action, there's no way they'll be able yet to withstand the relentless rigours of the Cship for an entire season.

Getting the right balance between youth and good quality experience is the challenge. I think we still need to do some work on the latter. I know MM will say that his first priority is to win football matches - any which way he can! We all set our expectations accordingly - and it's now less than 3 weeks until the journey begins again. Great, isn't it?

Post by **Bluemike** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:07 pm

herforder wrote:No doubt that we've got a very promising crop of youngsters coming through; and, providing we can hold on them, the future looks bright. Whilst I hope MM is prepared to give some of them the chance of building up their experience with some first team action, there's no way they'll be able yet to withstand the relentless rigours of the Cship for an entire season.

Getting the right balance between youth and good quality experience is the challenge. I think we still need to do some work on the latter. I know MM will say that his first priority is to win football matches - any which way he can! We all set our expectations accordingly - and it's now less than 3 weeks until the journey begins again. Great, isn't it?

Absolutely, I think this is where MM is very good, for months now he has been including one or two of the kids in the away day party so they gain match day experience of being in the squad which can only be a good thing, and as we have seen with Dozzell, McDonnell, Kenlock and Emmanuel when the time is right they get their chance.

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:41 pm

I'll put my house on it that a PL club will try and buy Bishop this season. Liverpool being high on my list of potential clubs wanting Teddy.

Our biggest problem will be hanging on to these kids past 2 seasons from their debuts....unless we can get promoted ourselves.

Tangfastic · Post by **Tangfastic** » Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:54 pm

bluemike wrote:
herforder wrote:No doubt that we've got a very promising crop of youngsters coming through; and, providing we can hold on them, the future looks bright. Whilst I hope MM is prepared to give some of them the chance of building up their experience with some first team action, there's no way they'll be able yet to withstand the relentless rigours of the Cship for an entire season.

Getting the right balance between youth and good quality experience is the challenge. I think we still need to do some work on the latter. I know MM will say that his first priority is to win football matches - any which way he can! We all set our expectations accordingly - and it's now less than 3 weeks until the journey begins again. Great, isn't it?
Absolutely, I think this is where MM is very good, for months now he has been including one or two of the kids in the away day party so they gain match day experience of being in the squad which can only be a good thing, and as we have seen with Dozzell, McDonnell, Kenlock and Emmanuel when the time is right they get their chance.

This is where I disagree about Mick and youth. He only really put kids in when there were dead rubbers- meaningless games - at the end of last season. He started of with Emanuel at RB last season and got rid of him pretty quickly. If he's forced to playing kids, then that's the best, because his natural inclination is to go by tried and trusted.

I know negativity/positivity are terms that get used in these discussions, but I'm only going by how I see Mick usually plays his cards.

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