Whatever happened to our patience chaps & chapesses?

[goldandblack]

At least the majority of fans on this forum still care. Unfortunately, I think we've lost a lot of our fan base over the course of ME's ownership. Conversely, without ME's bail-out who knows where we'd be. We all want more success no matter who the manager is. I do think MM deserves a chance to redeem himself after last season's failure, and I think it's a bit early to think he won't achieve at least an improvement this season. Not that my opinion matters, but I made a decision last year that I would have to lower my expectations in order to continue supporting ITFC. Which I have...because I'll always love ITFC. However with that said, I do still hope we'll get back to the premier league one day. As far as negative vs positive goes, I enjoy reading both sides of the coin. What I don't like is how some people have been verbally attacked for expressing their opinions, and frankly that should be kept in check on an approved forum for ITFC. I certainly don't want to create any divisions, so maybe we should just have a 'group-hug' and a cup of tea.

COYB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

number 9.....once you settle for second best then your either going to be 2nd best or even lower. I really believe my club will win the league, win the FA Cup, win the League Cup every season, I still believe we are a bigger club than Man U, Man city , Chelsky. etc etc.

I offered your BlueMike probably one of this countries biggest honour, becoming a Wolf . by turning that down proves what a real Town supporter ( note supporter ) he is,..... get behind Mick before its to late, only being positive wins things, your all lucky MM is getting the best out of a bad hand dealt him.... PS. Stuff those flea bitten canaries and all will be well again.

More FREE wise words from your friendly Wolf lol

[Bluemike]

You know what G&B I really cant be bothered with trying anymore, sometimes its better to say nothing, i get a lot of pleasure and enjoyment from my football and its the social side with real fans and friends as much as the football itself but i really dont want to be arsed with those who thrive on negativity all the time, ive got better things to do with my time, i dont even respect their opinions if im honest cus most of it is bullshit from people who dont even f**king go, nah done with that sh*t.

[Mach_Polish_Blue]

You know what G&B I really cant be bothered with trying anymore, sometimes its better to say nothing, i get a lot of pleasure and enjoyment from my football and its the social side with real fans and friends as much as the football itself but i really dont want to be arsed with those who thrive on negativity all the time, ive got better things to do with my time, i dont even respect their opinions if im honest cus most of it is bullshit from people who dont even f**king go, nah done with that sh*t.

Totally with you Mike even though we sometimes have differences in opinions particularly in this thread. Some of our 'fans' barely speak a word when we win matches. Lose a match and they will offer you loads of 'wisdom' about ITFC, McCarthy etc etc.

[goldandblack]

You know what G&B I really cant be bothered with trying anymore, sometimes its better to say nothing, i get a lot of pleasure and enjoyment from my football and its the social side with real fans and friends as much as the football itself but i really dont want to be arsed with those who thrive on negativity all the time, ive got better things to do with my time, i dont even respect their opinions if im honest cus most of it is bullshit from people who dont even f**king go, nah done with that sh*t.

you hit it on the nail there mate, meeting up with your good self and Liz, and the many other clubs fans I have been lucky enough to share a drink and stories with makes it worth while, well it couldn't just be the football could it. lol

PS, Any way how could anyone living in a place called Broomfield know anything about football.

[number 9]

Ok...group hug...ready...? Come hea’r! You little whipper-snapper!

[barmy billy]

You know what G&B I really cant be bothered with trying anymore, sometimes its better to say nothing, i get a lot of pleasure and enjoyment from my football and its the social side with real fans and friends as much as the football itself but i really dont want to be arsed with those who thrive on negativity all the time, ive got better things to do with my time, i dont even respect their opinions if im honest cus most of it is bullshit from people who dont even f**king go, nah done with that sh*t.

Sorry Mike, I know you don't care, but I think your last couple of lines are really offensive. Perhaps that is why some people no longer post on here. No-one questions your love for ITFC and the trouble you go to provide very well written and informative match reports which are enjoyed by all.

Hopefully, if you are really done with it, perhaps you will stop demeaning those of us who don't (for various reasons) go to every game but who still support ITFC and have in many cases done so for a lot longer than you.

[Bluemike]

I couldn't give a sh*t if its offensive Billy, I haven't even started yet trust me. Guess what I'm offended by so called fans taking a swipe at every little thing the club does and then p*ss themselves when someone goes back at them. Last seasons woes were in no small part atttributed to f**king fans turning on the players during games, bloody morons.

As for supporting the team for years and years, like our history it is so long ago it means f*ck all now right ??

[barmy billy]

I couldn't give a sh*t if its offensive Billy, I haven't even started yet trust me. Guess what I'm offended by so called fans taking a swipe at every little thing the club does and then p*ss themselves when someone goes back at them. Last seasons woes were in no small part atttributed to f**king fans turning on the players during games, bloody morons.

As for supporting the team for years and years, like our history it is so long ago it means f*ck all now right ??

Have it your way, Mike.

Perhaps it's time to rename the forum 'The Bluemike Forum' with the tagline speak if you dare. I say that because your constant criticism of some 'fans' is putting people of contributing, which is not how it should be. Nothing to add really, other than like all ITFC fans I hope we enjoy a resounding win at the weekend.

[Bluemike]

Shouldn't worry about that too much mate, as I said im done with trying here, you can have the forum for the negative brigade to pour their hearts out at will, I won't be offering my opinions any longer, it's been brewing in me for some time and i'm kinda sick of it now if i'm honest with you. Hard as it is I need to refrain from interacting.

[barmy billy]

Shouldn't worry about that too much mate, as I said im done with trying here, you can have the forum for the negative brigade to pour their hearts out at will, I won't be offering my opinions any longer, it's been brewing in me for some time and i'm kinda sick of it now if i'm honest with you. Hard as it is I need to refrain from interacting.

It will be sad day if you do stop posting altogether Mike and I hope you don't. As I said, nobody questions your utter love and devotion towards ITFC and we are all thankful for your invaluable match reports. Is there no compromise whereby you can tolerate those supporters that you despise so much while still being an active forum member.

Worth considering perhaps?

[arana peligrosa]

Time is in short supply, but a salient point was raised in the above.

That being it's evidently clear the participation on these pages is minimal due in part to attacks by certain individuals if someone dares say a word out of place or it doesn't meet with their own restrictive guidelines. Fair enough if they don't have a tangible interest in what goes on out there or the club is seen as something as a 'hobby', but for those who have been with it for long enough and seen just about everything (personally bar a top level league championship), you take a certain level of offense when told how to go about your business or your opinion is invalid. Who the f*ck are people to dictate what you can and can't mention, we aren't under your goddamn rule, like it don't like, people are entitled to their say, so stuff that.

So easy to retaliate but in truth what's the f**king point. We already have a small number of participants as it is and hitting back will only fuel a situation or alienate people further. Bottom line we all follow the same club side so where's the sense in personal attacks on each other. Saying that this goes on at (other) club forums week in week out, we're hardly unique for it.

[marko69]

......, this goes on at (other) club forums week in week out, we're hardly unique for it.

Spot on witn that, SJ. And it's soooooo much worse. I've said it before, this place is a wee pussy cat compared to certain Hibs forums for example.

But I do get the issues from all angles and I'm really not sitting on the fence here. Please believe me Mike when I say that I'm not speaking for you, I'm kind of trying to explain to others what I feel could be the issue...... and I believe it points to fans AT games? I experience it at Easter Road, the selected groups of supporters who add a negative atmosphere to proceedings and it can become very infuriating indeed. Thankfully I can keep quiet and enjoy my coffee and twix while other Hibees who resemble Hulk Hogan argue the odds!

But to write the write ups that you do, you obviously immerse yourself in the entire occasion and the terraces become part of the day as well, and it angers you. That anger spills on to here and I can't quite figure out why some feel its an anger towards them. The only scenario I believe it stems from is what MPB was saying earlier, "absentees after the win, whingers after the loss"..... I certainly can't believe it's because people have an opinion on Mick McCarthy, positive or negative.
For others. I am extremely polite to my ex wife on text. But because of a few texts about 16 years ago, she reads all my texts like I'm being a smart a$$. Maybe this is a similar case with Mike. Angry as fk one day after McCarthy went on record saying that Kay Nood was world class, and now other posts are read witn the anticipation of anger. I dunno, I may be wrong!

Back to ITFC, and that lovely warm fence, I personally cannot pin an opinion on Mick McCarthy because there isn't two separate match reports in all publications (yours included, Mike) that are the same..... (I mean over two games) ..... the performances change all the time. I certainly agree with Rossi regarding those first 5 games and being almost forced to play more attacking and it working.

[number 9]

Group hug?...he says sheepishly.

[number 9]

Shouldn't worry about that too much mate, as I said im done with trying here, you can have the forum for the negative brigade to pour their hearts out at will, I won't be offering my opinions any longer, it's been brewing in me for some time and i'm kinda sick of it now if i'm honest with you. Hard as it is I need to refrain from interacting.

It will be sad day if you do stop posting altogether Mike and I hope you don't. As I said, nobody questions your utter love and devotion towards ITFC and we are all thankful for your invaluable match reports. Is there no compromise whereby you can tolerate those supporters that you despise so much while still being an active forum member.

Worth considering perhaps?

Yeah don't go, Mikey! Who will do the prediction league scores?!

[Dubai Blue]

Blimey! What did I start?

BM noooo. It's all just words. Short of the calling of names there's no need to hold back with you opinion on a forum. It's opinions we come here for and enjoy arguing with. That's the whole point. And the more passionate we are the better, as long as we don't get personal.

Keep saying what you think everyone please. Life would be boring if we all thought the same and hearing the other point of view is healthy. Even if they are always wrong

[arana peligrosa]

Blimey! What did I start?

BM noooo. It's all just words. Short of the calling of names there's no need to hold back with you opinion on a forum. It's opinions we come here for and enjoy arguing with. That's the whole point. And the more passionate we are the better, as long as we don't get personal.

Keep saying what you think everyone please. Life would be boring if we all thought the same and hearing the other point of view is healthy. Even if they are always wrong

Said it before you'll find far worse than whatever is presented around here. In near ten years nothing has really gone beyond the pale, one or two past names were prohibited from involvement but allowed back to participate, some sporadic differences of opinion but having been witness to other team forums what you'll invariably find here is tame in comparison.

Simple math, say what you have to but (attempt to) provide though before you submit, exercise any amount of caution and be responsible for your intended actions. That process alone should see you right.

[marko69]

Yes, I think the bottom line here is, and most importantly, Dubai needs to stop starting threads!

But Saint, I am scratching my head over your last post....... quote, "simple math"? I was all set for it, then..... fk all. Any chance of posting some Pythagoras Theorum while we wait for KO?

[Dubai Blue]

^^ message received & understood Marko

[ashfordblue]

I'm perhaps one of the 'moaners' but my moan is for the reason. I agree with Bluemike that there are number of our fans who are in a full voice when we lose. You will rarely see them (or won't see at all) on the forums if we play well and get good results. But there is a number of eternal optimists who themselves think everything is rosy at Ipswich Town and they slagg off everyone who is 'negative'. I for example have been heavily slated by some (not here just on TWTD where there is quite a big number of blue tinted happy clappers) for my opinions.

Dubai Blue is using the term 'patience'. Excuse me what patience do you expect? 16 years in this horrible, goddamn league so some of us are frustrated in general with what the club's policy. We're million miles away from the Premier League. Evans and the club has no ambitions at all to make us stronger and better. If we finish this season in midtable for example then will it mean there is an improvement? Not in my opinion. We just drift along, drift anonymously in this league and number of our fans wouldn't mind to stay in it for another 100 years.

But if there is an improvement as some claim why do the crowds keep dwindling? Why do Portman Road is half or even more than half empty during the matches? Why will there be only 22-23k for the Norwich match?

People are pointing out at our league position and claim this isn't bad given the number of injuries. Dubai I'm telling you if it hadn't been for injuries we would have been 19th-20th at this time. McCarthy was forced to play many attacking minded players during the freak August spell and that's why it paid off. Of course there must be the balance in the squad and you can't play that way all the time throughout the season. But the problem is that McCarthy is coming back to his old ways and it really infuriates me. Stopping opposition playing, matching up tactics, sitting back and inviting the pressure. When will be the time that opponent is scared of us and has to match us up? We seem to be such gutless and fearful team at times. Sheffield Utd away for example last Saturday. The only impressive spell from us was the last 15 minutes of the first half. What about first 30 minutes? We sat deeply and allowed them to have a go at us.
Millwall away back in August and the first half was tasty. We'd keep going forward, we'd score for fun. Why cannot we play like that and put the opposition under pressure?

To all those saying that we're improving: 5 defeats in last 7 matches and we keep sliding down the table ! We start number of games with flat back five with two defensive midfielders sitting deeply. The only 2 wins in last 7 were against the two bottom teams. Yes you can only beat what is in front of you but whenever we play an opponent with a bit of quality we usually are on the back foot. Leeds away was the only exception. We even started with back five against bottom Bolton at home !!!
McCarthy has no plan B. Just keep hoofing for the most of the time and hope for a luck.

As for the Dubai's last paragraph that the club has/hasn't moved forward since McCarthy's took over. The club had moved forward but been on the gradual decline since the play-off season. People claim he had nothing to spend. But he doesn't help himself by how he sets us up and his attitude. Yes the problems lie deeper than him as it's Evans who is a cancer of the club and he isn't with us to make us better, stronger and progressive. But as I've said McCarthy doesn't help himself.

Norwich on Sunday. They remain unbeaten against us in the last 8 meetings. First two of them were under the two worst managers we have ever had. McCarthy's stats against them 0-3-3. He NEVER set us up to beat them ! He seems to be content to play for a draw. If I am a moaner for not accepting that then call me a moaner. I don't care ! I'm sick of his tactics (not only against Norwich). I want us to play with the energy and enthusiasm. I want an opponent to try to match us up for a change.
Don't expect me to accept it if we again sit back and allow Norwich to have a good at us. We can beat them but we have to attack them from the start.

Let me clarify. I will remain a moaner or how some say 'negative' if I have a reason. I want both Evans and McCarthy out. I hate this horrible league and we as a club don't benefit at all from being in it. Some might be saying that the life in the Premier League won't be enjoyable. I'm asking what is to enjoy in this bloody Championship after 15 years? I'd rather be beaten 1-3 at home in the Premier League than by Bristol City in the Championship. If there is a definition of tinpot club who drift along without any ambitions that is Ipswich Town. But that is what the Evans era has done for the club. And our crowds will keep dwindling.

Agree 100% Mach its time for BIG changes at the top and Management level

[charlton837]

Shouldn't worry about that too much mate, as I said im done with trying here, you can have the forum for the negative brigade to pour their hearts out at will, I won't be offering my opinions any longer, it's been brewing in me for some time and i'm kinda sick of it now if i'm honest with you. Hard as it is I need to refrain from interacting.

I noticed your match report was missing from the weekend, I handnt see this part of the thread. Whilst its clear you often share different views from many others it would be sad if you stopped posting. Always look forward to your match reports, they are honest and I think most on here would say they read it to the line, its especially useful for the games I don't make it to. Im sure nobody really wants to be negative, its unfortunately imprinted into the psyche of a lot of ITFC at the moment.

I guess football is supposed to be a rollercoaster, we are stuck on the teacups going round in circles, that's the thing that winds people up. Most on here get fed up of those fans who react after every single game, sometimes min by min, I don't condone them, but I don't believe many on here are like that.

Anyway hope you reconsider

[marko69]

Shouldn't worry about that too much mate, as I said im done with trying here, you can have the forum for the negative brigade to pour their hearts out at will, I won't be offering my opinions any longer, it's been brewing in me for some time and i'm kinda sick of it now if i'm honest with you. Hard as it is I need to refrain from interacting.

I noticed your match report was missing from the weekend, I handnt see this part of the thread. Whilst its clear you often share different views from many others it would be sad if you stopped posting. Always look forward to your match reports, they are honest and I think most on here would say they read it to the line, its especially useful for the games I don't make it to. Im sure nobody really wants to be negative, its unfortunately imprinted into the psyche of a lot of ITFC at the moment.

I guess football is supposed to be a rollercoaster, we are stuck on the teacups going round in circles, that's the thing that winds people up. Most on here get fed up of those fans who react after every single game, sometimes min by min, I don't condone them, but I don't believe many on here are like that.

Anyway hope you reconsider

Great post, Charlton, echoed by me and no doubt countless others.

Stuck in the tea cups! I like that.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

Shouldn't worry about that too much mate, as I said im done with trying here, you can have the forum for the negative brigade to pour their hearts out at will, I won't be offering my opinions any longer, it's been brewing in me for some time and i'm kinda sick of it now if i'm honest with you. Hard as it is I need to refrain from interacting.

Mike, stick to your guns and say what you feel.

Don't let the bastards grind you down - you're better than that.

[barmy billy]

Shouldn't worry about that too much mate, as I said im done with trying here, you can have the forum for the negative brigade to pour their hearts out at will, I won't be offering my opinions any longer, it's been brewing in me for some time and i'm kinda sick of it now if i'm honest with you. Hard as it is I need to refrain from interacting.

Mike, stick to your guns and say what you feel.

Don't let the bastards grind you down - you're better than that.

Hear hear.

[Earl Blue]

Bluemike..

If I am to be honest I do not particularly have an opinion on whether
or not you do decide to continue posting or not. Its always
a case of one comes, one goes on forums such as this and has
been ever since it was created.

However what I have noticed is you clearly do not like the negative brigade
as you call it, yet you say its not so much on TB.com but everywhere else.
TB.com, facebook et al. I could understand that from the likes of Mr. Disco
but did not expect it from you. I take it from comments you have made
you believe the people on here are more level headed, but to me it does
look like you may be aiming it at TB.com and/or one or two of its members.
Of course I could be totally wrong, it is ONLY my opinion and maybe you do
not care that I have one.. Naturally I can accept I could be totally wrong.

As a matter of interest did you contribute to any of these other forums such
as TWTD and if so what was their response to you or did you find that
the type of backlash you may have got on that forum would not have
been to your likening, hence you did not contribute. My point being is that on
here you do not or would not get such a bad feedback from the members
as generally speaking I think there is more than enough respect given on here.

Please note I spent a considerable amount of money on this forum for many years
and contributed a considerable amount of time on here as well as organising events.
Alas I am no different to anyone else and I had my haters as well as my admirers
so to speak, but I still had to accept matters whether I liked them or not,
as the basis of a forum is to listen to opinions, and even though there
were blatantly individuals who may have appeared to be trying to
do a wind up it to allow that to affect the way a forum is run
or addressed is wrong.


In days gone by we used to have an admin chat quite regularly to deal
with what we thought were issues amongst members to try and make
the peace or deal with as we felt necessary for the good of the forum,
none of these discussions ever changed the negative or positive brigades
neither did it improve the team ...

However I have noticed that it has been over a year since there was any
admin chat on the forum and to be honest I think that is because whatever
anyone does it is not going to change anything that is said and done anymore
on here, which is one of the reasons I gave up. My time and money was far more
important to me than bleeding blue blood for ITFC every week. I will always be ITFC
till I die and I will not criticise any other ITFC fans opinions as we are all
different and all weep differently. Believe me supporting ITFC is not a one man crusade.

I guess what I am trying to say is that for all the good of the forum you have done,
if you are willing to cease this just because you cannot change fans opinions
then you should take a rest as I have done because its not good for your health.

To conclude my posting is not an attempt to wind you up or offend you
but for you and or anyone else to consider all what others before you have done with
perhaps the same thinking about our club.

Regards

Earl

[Bluemike]

Ive sat back for a couple of days (which is a long time for me) and read with much interest all the debate following Sundays defeat on what is wrong with the club and where the club should be heading and how this should be achieved and who is to blame for this and that, some of it I agree with and as you would expect some of it I most definitely diasgree with, a large part of me still feels like the best thing is to say sod it and stay quiet about things that really bug me, but having received plenty of positive comments, PM's etc etc maybe I would be foolish to let a couple of comments which really pissed me off big time drive me away from the only ITFC forum that I bother to post on, more importantly than that I owe it to Dave (Frosty) to continue.

Having read through everything my take on all this is as follows. I firmly believe Marko is spot on with his comment that much of this was down to derby defeat over reaction, lets be perfectly honest here we played pretty well first half and but for a bit of bad luck and woeful finishing could and probably should have been Two up at half time, the starting Eleven was pretty much what most if not all Town fans would have gone with, OK a case could be made for Celina but that aside it was the team we would have picked, I would like someone to tell me where this ridiuclous assumption came from that Didsy & Waghorn were played as wingers out wide ? They weren't at all, they were played in a 4-3-3 formation alongside Joe Garner who was through the centre, that is hardly being played out of position at all but I think it helps the argument from those who are anti MM that he is playing players out of position, it just isn't correct, they have played in a front Three numerous times, any striker will have to be able to do that, had we played 4-4-2 with Waghorn and/or Didsy out wide then fair enough but they were hardly getting chalk on their boots !! When I went down to the concourse at HT there wasn't a single negative comment from all around, in fact people were saying "we've got them this time" and "what a promising performance" etc. Nobody at that point was even suggesting we had got it wrong on the day because we had been the better side. What followed after the break was a different scenario altogether because we failed to turn up and let them have it to a degree, the one piece of real quality they showed all game resulted in a goal from the best player on the pitch and we stood off them and let them play it. After the goal we lost our way and resulted to trying to long ball it in our quest to get back into it, I agree that was disappointing and people have a right to feel let down, again though it is made to sound much worse that in really was, Bart had no other real save to make and for those who say we created nothing second half, where were you when Didsy's glancing header at 0-0 just sailed past the post ? Or when Waghorn curled his effort a couple of inches over the bar ? Or when Skuse hit his chance so tamely I could have saved it ? where was everyone ? In the toilet ? On your phone ? At the bar or just refusing to accept the fact that actually we were still in the game and creating chances ? As I said it builds up the case against the manager by creating scenarios that just aren't factual.

I've seen it said that we should be entitled to expect to be entertained with better football, have we not been by and large this season ? Again it has been inferred that we are falling back into old habits with boring, long ball hoofing, well I am fortunate in that I get to see every minute of every game live and again this is just not the case, ok we did do a fair bit of it at Sheffield Utd and in the second half against the scum, I think there was one other game at home where we saw it for a spell but again aside from that we have tried to adopt a new approach and style of play which believe it or not takes time to adjust to, I have not been bored in most of the games this season, last season was light years away from this time around.

It has been suggested that we should be brave and take a chance on a new and younger manager, Eddie Howe and David Wagner's names cropped up, two success stories who it has to be said still had mega millions to spend in comparison to us, it is ok taking a risk when you have an open cheque book but a risk in our shoes is a Two fold risk which we just cannot afford to take, Howe spent bloody loads, wagner maybe not quite so much but still way more than we ever will, for me all this talk is really on the back of a defeat to Norwich, had we won that game this forum would have had half as many posts and none alluding to the sweeping changes some are asking for. Lets look at the facts after all, should we win our game in hand we would be a single point off the top Six, at our current win rate we will win half our games this season, 70 points minimum, at present only Two teams have scored more goals despite us having played less games, yes the Six defeats in Eight is a genuine cause for concern but in two or three of those games it has not been a true reflection of how we played, Leeds being the obvious example. Does the position we currently find ourselves really deserves this level of unrest ? I find it all a bit crazy if I am being totally honest, My take on it is that we need to realise we are not that far away from where we want to be despite being on a bad run, at the very least we need to see where we are at the turn of the year and evaluate it then, if we are still dropping away then maybe some of the cause for concern is valid but its very premature right now and turning on the team at this stage is going to do exactly what it did last season and that is to make the players more nervous and it will only hinder their performances further.

I see that G&B has come in for what I consider to be some out of order grief because he dares to defend the manager, G&B is spot on with his comment that sometimes it takes an outsider to help you see and realise exactly what you have, this is why we always hear the TV pundits saying Mick is doing a fabulous job with his hands tied behind his back, why do we hear it so often ? Maybe just maybe it is the truth and reality. As has been pointed out we were so near to being a Coventry/Portsmouth/ Charlton etc and should be thankful we have had Sixteen tedious years in this league, the alternatives do not bare thinking about. I also agree we don't have to be grateful to MM for ever and a day for saving us but aside from last season we have done bloody well to finish in 6th and 7th etc, we had no right to be there at all. I firmly believe it is all about the results where 95% of Town fans are concerned, in fact Mach said it himself, boring 1-0 wins will do for him any day and had we been played off the park by Norwich and won 1-0 this would be a happy place and certainly much quieter.

So ME needs to sell up, ok do we have a list of names of people that are willing to buy 86 Million worth of debt ? It's one thing buying a Man City or a Chelsea but this is little old Ipswich, I doubt there is going to be queues of people falling over themselves to snap us up any time soon, look at Bolton they were in a bad old way and struggled to find a buyer and there are plenty of others, people say ME is not interested in ITFC as he ONLY puts in 6 or 7 Million a year, and this from some who won't invest 25 quid to go to a game to support their team they love cus times are hard for our club right now ! I am no ME lover by any stretch and if he did sell up I would not be upset at all, however it is far from being as straightforward as that when in the position we are in and I suspect he will be around for a long while yet.

So to conclude I think all this anti Mick talk again is yet another Knee jerk reaction to losing to Norwich, I do accept the current run of Six defeats in Eight needs to be addressed, I don't believe it has set the trend for the season at all. I also believe that we are trying to move forward with a plan and a direction, I know Charlton has stated that he see's no direction etc, I think we do have one, our academy is producing some great kids and they are getting game time, I also think our signings this season have been good, nearly everyone was raving about Garner, Waghorn, Adeyemi, Huws and Celina saying Mick and Marcus had done well this close season, is that different Twelve games in ? Mick is trying to accomodate them all in his line up, again the fans wanted that so when he goes with a 4-3-3 or something don't cry cus Didsy is half a yard out of position !!! Had we been offered this position at the start of the season I doubt many would have turned it down, in fact had we lost the First Four and then won the more recent games the mood would be bouyant, it's just how it works with fans, especially Town fans. We all have opinions and we all see things as we believe them to be, I just wish we would deal in facts an not manufactured scenarios that help make any side of a discussion look right.

[goldandblack]

I see that G&B has come in for what I consider to be some out of order grief because he dares to defend the manager, t.

thanks Mike but its water off a wolfs back

I have just the one comment Mike, well actually a few words lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RghKdGn8h5A

[charlton837]

Good to see you back on here Mike, genuinely hope nothing I said has caused offence or wound you up, not my intention even if we don't agree on everything.

By the way when I said I lack of direction I meant patching up a team/squad year after year but not with any real plan or way of playing. We don't have a style to call ours. However I did also say I saw promise in the youngsters coming through, just I think we need a new manager to make the most of this opportunity.

Anyway I'm glad you decided to post again, wouldn't be right otherwise

[Bluemike]

You have never said anything to offend me. Are you going to Burton ? Would be great to put yet another face to a name.

[charlton837]

Not this time round, I went there last year though, hope for a similar result. I'm sure I'll make it along away at some point soon again, been a crazy busy time in last couple months.

[arana peligrosa]

We're a few days away by my math from McCarthy's five year anniversary at this club, what odds a Burton Albion victory is the tipping load for his resignation. Marcus Evans won't do a goddamn thing save sitting idly by as another campaign fades into insignificance but in an ideal world, the manager may decide to walk away when the time arises.

Whether you're for the manager or against it, the evident issue is, we can't expect to compete in this division so long as it remains as it is. People raised issue about indecisiveness regards who should come in and who should remain in place, but no such hesitation for some. Alluding to the thread title itself, we've had 15 years in this league and rarely looked like ever making it back to the EPL, how much f**king patience do you need..