McKenna- Stay or Go ?

[shabba]

Surely he isn't a Daniel Levy style appintment? A) too expensive, B) not a name/experienced, ideally has won stuff.

If he was cheper thsn maybe, and they know him I guess from his coach days there, but still.....

Even if they went for a manager I'd say there are a few ahead of him, the Bounemouth Mnanager, Frank at Brentford, Glazner at Palace etc. All are in the young ish manager group but have more experience at the higher level.

[Charnwood]

I can't believe the Spurs manager is still in a job. Spurs gave been atrocious....

,,,,but could still qualify for a place in next seasons Champions League. How crazy is that.

[Blue Wilf]

Surely he isn't a Daniel Levy style appintment? A) too expensive, B) not a name/experienced, ideally has won stuff.

If he was cheper thsn maybe, and they know him I guess from his coach days there, but still.....

Even if they went for a manager I'd say there are a few ahead of him, the Bounemouth Mnanager, Frank at Brentford, Glazner at Palace etc. All are in the young ish manager group but have more experience at the higher level.

Maybe, maybe not The 'Levy style' appointments have all been failures so why not look at a young british manager who had a spell of his career at Spurs. If Levy tried to sell that story, it just may fly with their deluded (but woefully underachieving) fanbase. Regardless, I am still convinced KM won't be at PR come the first game of the season...Time will tell.

[MasseyFerguson]

I can't believe the Spurs manager is still in a job. Spurs gave been atrocious....

Spurs injury crisis put paid to their season by early December. They focused on The Europa League to maximise their chances of getting into the CL next season. They, effectively, ignored the Pl since January. Even last night they had no midfield with Maddison, Kulushevski and Bergvall all injured. Luckily for them, they finally had their first choice backline on the pitch. Their gamble paid off.

[shabba]

Well they still had Sarr, Bentacour and Bisouma - that’s not a bad midfield and cost over 60m.

[Mauswara]

92% of us want him to stay, I hope he also does.

Not a bad position for a club to be in when we face relegation this weekend.

[Charnwood]

I can’t see Daniel Levy sticking with Postecoglou especially with Spurs gaining an unexpected place in next seasons Champions League which in my opinion makes a mockery of European football.
I also can’t see him having any interest in taking McKenna to Tottenham and gambling on a manager with no experience of European football. Also with a €300m European windfall coming Spurs way he should be able to attract a less risky manager than McKenna.

[shabba]

Where do you get the 300m figure from? I thought CL was about 100m at most, if going deep into later stages of it etc,

[MasseyFerguson]

Well they still had Sarr, Bentacour and Bisouma - that’s not a bad midfield and cost over 60m.

Good, solid, defensive players but no creativity. That's why they parked the bus and resolutely defended their one goal lead.

[MasseyFerguson]

I can’t see Daniel Levy sticking with Postecoglou especially with Spurs gaining an unexpected place in next seasons Champions League which in my opinion makes a mockery of European football.
I also can’t see him having any interest in taking McKenna to Tottenham and gambling on a manager with no experience of European football. Also with a €300m European windfall coming Spurs way he should be able to attract a less risky manager than McKenna.

I wouldn't be so sure that Levy will sack Postecoglou. He brought them a major European trophy when managers like Conte, Mourinho, Pochettino, Redknapp and others failed to win a single trophy with better squads. Yes, their league performance was dire but, as Postecoglou said, it was clear in January that they were not going to qualify for Europe through the league, so he blew off the league and concentrated on the EL. He also clearly has the full support of the dressing room.

Bringing someone else in, in these circumstances. Is a bigger risk than keeping him.

Anyway, back on topic, I really hope Mckenna stays. He is a very good manager who should benefit hugely from the negotiating the travails of the team this season. I see him being elite level within the next year or two. We are far, far better off with him than without him. Just my opinion, of course.

[marko69]

He’ll be better next season. More Saturday games. Which means, as the Messiah, he can get to his Sunday job more regularly.

[EveryoneKnowsaDave]

I thought we were awful yesterday. We have got progressively worse this season and look increasingly disorganised and poor.

Time for a change.

[marko69]

Yes Dave, I too am predicting what you said in the West Ham preview thread —->> mid- table next season but WITH Kieron McKenna. And, for me, (keep your rugs on) i’d be ok with that.
One season of L1, one of Champ, one of EPL with the boss ….. and back to Champ; —->> a few years of stability required before returning to that hot cauldron. Club will be ready. But WITH McKenna.
A manager reset will not be a good move imo.

And on the man himself…….. he has my blessing and my sincere thanks if he decides to leave. He’s already created waaaaaay more memories for Tractor Boys fans than all 6 previous managers lunked together. And yes, you’ll have the guys who’ll home in on the EPL memories alone, but that’s ok. Thats what they do.
He’s MORE than proved that he is a very capable manager, ——>> -ing he stays.

[Mach_Polish_Blue]

92% of us want him to stay, I hope he also does.

Not a bad position for a club to be in when we face relegation this weekend.

Where do you take this 92% from?

The owners have to step in. Relegation was always a possibility but how can you defend its manner?

A fortune was spent out and we still didn't gain a single point at home in 2025.

4-2-3-1, plan A only, toe to toe with vast majority of clubs, same pattern every week, same feeble excuses every week, same mistakes, defence getting worse and worse. No fight within a team. He signed Muric and persisted with him. Very stubborn. Same waffling every week that we will have learnt from this or that.

We were an utter embarrassment. Luton had offered far more fight in the Prem than we did.

[Cabanas Blue]

92% of us want him to stay, I hope he also does.

Not a bad position for a club to be in when we face relegation this weekend.

Where do you take this 92% from?

The owners have to step in. Relegation was always a possibility but how can you defend its manner?

A fortune was spent out and we still didn't gain a single point at home in 2025.

4-2-3-1, plan A only, toe to toe with vast majority of clubs, same pattern every week, same feeble excuses every week, same mistakes, defence getting worse and worse. No fight within a team. He signed Muric and persisted with him. Very stubborn. Same waffling every week that we will have learnt from this or that.

We were an utter embarrassment. Luton had offered far more fight in the Prem than we did.

First of all I'm not a Muric fan maybe none of our keepers are good enough.

Save % Muric 68, Palmer 60, Walton 52
PPG Muric 0.67, Walton 0.57, Palmer 0.46
Goals conceded PG Muric 1.8, Palmer 2.3, Walton 2.7
High Claims PG Muric 2.2, Walton 1.7, Palmer 1.5
Errors leading to a goal Palmer/Walton 0, Muric 5

[mugen1]

92% of us want him to stay, I hope he also does.

Not a bad position for a club to be in when we face relegation this weekend.

Where do you take this 92% from?

The owners have to step in. Relegation was always a possibility but how can you defend its manner?

A fortune was spent out and we still didn't gain a single point at home in 2025.

4-2-3-1, plan A only, toe to toe with vast majority of clubs, same pattern every week, same feeble excuses every week, same mistakes, defence getting worse and worse. No fight within a team. He signed Muric and persisted with him. Very stubborn. Same waffling every week that we will have learnt from this or that.

We were an utter embarrassment. Luton had offered far more fight in the Prem than we did.

Can't argue with this. Level found I'm afraid. I've said it before, folk are quick to say player a, b or c are only good enough for L1 or the Championship, yet don't hold the same view of the manager. Curious.

[Bluemike]

92% of us want him to stay, I hope he also does.

Not a bad position for a club to be in when we face relegation this weekend.

Where do you take this 92% from?

The owners have to step in. Relegation was always a possibility but how can you defend its manner?

A fortune was spent out and we still didn't gain a single point at home in 2025.

4-2-3-1, plan A only, toe to toe with vast majority of clubs, same pattern every week, same feeble excuses every week, same mistakes, defence getting worse and worse. No fight within a team. He signed Muric and persisted with him. Very stubborn. Same waffling every week that we will have learnt from this or that.

We were an utter embarrassment. Luton had offered far more fight in the Prem than we did.

First of all I'm not a Muric fan maybe none of our keepers are good enough.

Save % Muric 68, Palmer 60, Walton 52
PPG Muric 0.67, Walton 0.57, Palmer 0.46
Goals conceded PG Muric 1.8, Palmer 2.3, Walton 2.7
High Claims PG Muric 2.2, Walton 1.7, Palmer 1.5
Errors leading to a goal Palmer/Walton 0, Muric 5

Mate, you can find as many stats as you like, they clearly don't always paint an accurate picture, Muric is a f*****g disaster, that's purely based on what I have seen, I care not really what others think, my view is he was very instrumental in putting us on the back foot early doors, from which we never really recovered.

[Mach_Polish_Blue]

92% of us want him to stay, I hope he also does.

Not a bad position for a club to be in when we face relegation this weekend.

Where do you take this 92% from?

The owners have to step in. Relegation was always a possibility but how can you defend its manner?

A fortune was spent out and we still didn't gain a single point at home in 2025.

4-2-3-1, plan A only, toe to toe with vast majority of clubs, same pattern every week, same feeble excuses every week, same mistakes, defence getting worse and worse. No fight within a team. He signed Muric and persisted with him. Very stubborn. Same waffling every week that we will have learnt from this or that.

We were an utter embarrassment. Luton had offered far more fight in the Prem than we did.

First of all I'm not a Muric fan maybe none of our keepers are good enough.

Save % Muric 68, Palmer 60, Walton 52
PPG Muric 0.67, Walton 0.57, Palmer 0.46
Goals conceded PG Muric 1.8, Palmer 2.3, Walton 2.7
High Claims PG Muric 2.2, Walton 1.7, Palmer 1.5
Errors leading to a goal Palmer/Walton 0, Muric 5

The numbers don't really show an actual picture.

Will give you one of the examples. Muric for the first goal for Bournemouth at Portman Road. Do the numbers are such relevant when you see what he did that day?

He had had a history of errors at Burnley. McKenna however still said yes and signed him up. Burnley fans are still laughing at us over this.

[EveryoneKnowsaDave]

Where do you take this 92% from?

The owners have to step in. Relegation was always a possibility but how can you defend its manner?

A fortune was spent out and we still didn't gain a single point at home in 2025.

4-2-3-1, plan A only, toe to toe with vast majority of clubs, same pattern every week, same feeble excuses every week, same mistakes, defence getting worse and worse. No fight within a team. He signed Muric and persisted with him. Very stubborn. Same waffling every week that we will have learnt from this or that.

We were an utter embarrassment. Luton had offered far more fight in the Prem than we did.

First of all I'm not a Muric fan maybe none of our keepers are good enough.

Save % Muric 68, Palmer 60, Walton 52
PPG Muric 0.67, Walton 0.57, Palmer 0.46
Goals conceded PG Muric 1.8, Palmer 2.3, Walton 2.7
High Claims PG Muric 2.2, Walton 1.7, Palmer 1.5
Errors leading to a goal Palmer/Walton 0, Muric 5

Mate, you can find as many stats as you like, they clearly don't always paint an accurate picture, Muric is a f*****g disaster, that's purely based on what I have seen, I care not really what others think, my view is he was very instrumental in putting us on the back foot early doors, from which we never really recovered.

This is very true. What ifs etc but why we didn't get Palmer in over last summer? Quarter the price too. Muric an absolute disaster.

It's the last few months that have really got to me. Never looked competitive at all unlike before Christmas when I watched all matches with hope.

Even though imo it's time to change manager, as Marko says KM has brought us some good times and I thank him for that and wish him well.

I must admit, in a way, I preferred standing in the snow at Blackpool away in league 1. Felt more like a proper brethren of proper fans away from all the PL bollox.

[Cabanas Blue]

Where do you take this 92% from?

The owners have to step in. Relegation was always a possibility but how can you defend its manner?

A fortune was spent out and we still didn't gain a single point at home in 2025.

4-2-3-1, plan A only, toe to toe with vast majority of clubs, same pattern every week, same feeble excuses every week, same mistakes, defence getting worse and worse. No fight within a team. He signed Muric and persisted with him. Very stubborn. Same waffling every week that we will have learnt from this or that.

We were an utter embarrassment. Luton had offered far more fight in the Prem than we did.

First of all I'm not a Muric fan maybe none of our keepers are good enough.

Save % Muric 68, Palmer 60, Walton 52
PPG Muric 0.67, Walton 0.57, Palmer 0.46
Goals conceded PG Muric 1.8, Palmer 2.3, Walton 2.7
High Claims PG Muric 2.2, Walton 1.7, Palmer 1.5
Errors leading to a goal Palmer/Walton 0, Muric 5

Mate, you can find as many stats as you like, they clearly don't always paint an accurate picture, Muric is a f*****g disaster, that's purely based on what I have seen, I care not really what others think, my view is he was very instrumental in putting us on the back foot early doors, from which we never really recovered.

I agree with you Mike but we need to get rid of him which will be difficult and hopefully someone will look at him and the stats and make the same mistake we made.

[Mach_Polish_Blue]

Season long loan abroad in my opinion our best hope to get rid of Muric.

[Bluemike]

It's not gonna be easy to get rid of him for sure, I just hope some other idiot makes the same mistake we did.

I do think Palmer is a very good keeper, his clean sheet ratio at WBA was incredible and in the Championship I think he'll flourish again. I think he came in at a time when we were starting to go backwards and in that sense he's been a tad unfortunate.

[ashfordblue]

Where do you take this 92% from?

The owners have to step in. Relegation was always a possibility but how can you defend its manner?

A fortune was spent out and we still didn't gain a single point at home in 2025.

4-2-3-1, plan A only, toe to toe with vast majority of clubs, same pattern every week, same feeble excuses every week, same mistakes, defence getting worse and worse. No fight within a team. He signed Muric and persisted with him. Very stubborn. Same waffling every week that we will have learnt from this or that.

We were an utter embarrassment. Luton had offered far more fight in the Prem than we did.

First of all I'm not a Muric fan maybe none of our keepers are good enough.

Save % Muric 68, Palmer 60, Walton 52
PPG Muric 0.67, Walton 0.57, Palmer 0.46
Goals conceded PG Muric 1.8, Palmer 2.3, Walton 2.7
High Claims PG Muric 2.2, Walton 1.7, Palmer 1.5
Errors leading to a goal Palmer/Walton 0, Muric 5

Mate, you can find as many stats as you like, they clearly don't always paint an accurate picture, Muric is a f*****g disaster, that's purely based on what I have seen, I care not really what others think, my view is he was very instrumental in putting us on the back foot early doors, from which we never really recovered.

Spot on Mike along with Morsey the yellow card king, Davis couldn't learn from his bombing up the wing mistakes and leaving the left side exposed and the biggest illness in the camp was playing 4-2-3-1 with a team that was incapable of carrying out and should have been 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 so half of the players we do have can be let go and seriously build a team that's strong enough to get back in the PL

[Mauswara]

92% of us want him to stay, I hope he also does.

Not a bad position for a club to be in when we face relegation this weekend.

Where do you take this 92% from?

The vote %age at the time I posted it, though it's now down to 79%

[Charnwood]

I think he’ll be with us at least until Christmas and If we’re in the Top 6 and in touch with the Top 2 I think that’s when action should be taken. My only worry is that the owners may still hold back due to the value of McKenna’s contract which would cost them £9m to pay up. I’m just hoping there may have been a release clause in the event of relegation as £3M salary a year in the Championship is ridiculous, even more so when you consider Nuno Espírito Santo at Forest is paid £1M a year less than McKenna.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

I'm not sure of what the minimum amount of income is for a club in the PL compared to the income for a club in the Championship. Let's be conserv ative and call it £80 million.

So the owners might look at this and decide that they can only accept an £80 million loss for one season - next season. They then might look at thisx season and ask questions as to why KM did not make changes to the way he set the team up to play, why he was seemingly content tp watch our bad form up until the ney ywar get even worse without making any attempt to improve things. If they ask themselves those questions, it's a no-brainer that buying out a £15 million contract is a better option than waiting until Xmas when there may not then be time to recover.

[shabba]

Its not black and white though is it? IF they sacked him now or at Xmas there is no 100% guarentee whoever they bring in will get us promoted or even do any better.
It would be a £15m gamble.

[Bluemike]

As opposed to a £180 Million gamble.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

Its not black and white though is it? IF they sacked him now or at Xmas there is no 100% guarentee whoever they bring in will get us promoted or even do any better.
It would be a £15m gamble.

It's not a gamble at all if they have lost confidence in him as a manager

[shabba]

My point is it would cost them £15m to find out if we’d actually be any better off with another manager.

Charnwood makes a good point re relegation wage clause, I hadn’t thought of that. Likely most of the squad have that in place and I guess it would also be in the managers contract.