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Post by Bluemike » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:47 pm

Lawrence wants to play in the Premier league and will almost certainly do so next season, Leicester won't be in the premier league so I see him moving on.

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Post by bluepeter » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:06 am

bluemike wrote:There is absolutely zero chance of Tom Lawrence being signed by ITFC, why can't people realise that ? He will go for a good 6 Million at least and most likely to the premier league.
Mike he would come to us with a good deal.No one in their right mind would go back to Leicester.He is worth the walk in crowd...I'm even tempted and my 2 daughters and their boyfriends are talking about his goals...£250 ....fish n chips from Bramford Rd.bargain!!!

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Post by charlton837 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:48 am

well that was so much better. At least it was entertaining to watch! Defensively not perfect but we looked good going forwards. Steven Taylor did make a difference and it was so nice to see him organizing, he didn't stop talking the whole match, to be honest everything that Berra doesn't do. Berra is a good defender in the right system, but he always seems to be in it for himself, he doesn't appear to help others. If we keep Taylor fit he will be a good signing for us this season. Huws was a surprise, I didn't know much about him but on that performance not sure why Cardiff didn't want him playing, even worse than that they gave Ipswich a player who if we carried on in the same vein we could have been embroiled in that relegation battle that Cardiff themselves are in.

Plenty more of that type of football and Mick could earn himself a lot of credit. I think he needs to acknowledge what he has served up this season is just too negative and boring and we need a change of direction, if he is willing to be a part of that then who knows, he could survive, but he has to show an ongoing willingness to do it, don't revert to type at Villa this weekend. The pleasing thing after the game is he didn't try to be smug about the fans, he gave plenty of praise instead. Saturday shows if you try and do things the right way the crowd will respond. If we had of drawn that 2-2 playing the way we had most of this season, there wouldn't have been much optimism, instead everyone would have said we were lucky. The way we tried to play Saturday meant they walked off to a great applause and fans showed they appreciated what the players and manager put in to the game. More of the same please!

Tom Lawrence - What a player at this level, I see some people saying if we offered him he right deal he would join, NO CHANCE im afraid. He will have plenty of options and most of them will be more attractive than Ipswich Town, given his current run of form and age you are probably talking best part of £10m and wages of £30,000, there is absolutely no chance of that happening here. Lets just enjoy him whilst he is here, considering he is on loan playing for a team that has been dreadful most of the season, he as shown great commitment to the cause, I think we as fans should appreciate what he has done for us this season.

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Post by ashfordblue » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:33 am

:roll: Yes Charlton exactly, we seem to suffer this situation a lot, we get all these loan players in get most of them really playing well, then off they go back to their own clubs, whilst we struggle on, Marcus would have to fork out a fortune for Lawrence & Huw's, and that's only if Leicester & Cardiff decide to sell, BUT what an investment, if it did happen ME would go up in my estimation, but these loans are the type we need to find at the premiership clubs, young ones like Tom & Huw's who will always struggle to get into the first teams, due to foreign imports, and sign them not loans, then add our young guns coming through to build for the future.

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Post by Charnwood » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:44 pm

Lets be real, Tom Lawrence"s talent and ambition may well stretch beyond what we have available for him at Portman Road and to be honest he"s proved he"s probably worthy of better, albeit i still think he's someway off a guaranteed regular start in the Premiership.

I'm pretty certain he'll be enjoying his spell here as for sure it will regenerate his career which has been going nowhere for the past 2/3 yrs. Since joining Leicester City in September 2014 he played only once for them and that was in the 3rd round of the FA Cup. The rest of his career at Leicester City has been constantly out on loan at Rotherham, Blackburn and Cardiff City, where he notched up a total of 41 appearances but only scored 3 goals.

What we've seen at Ipswich is an absolute purple patch of form which he must be enjoying as much as we fans are, lets just hope it continues till the end of the season.

Where Tom Lawrence starts next season will be very interesting although I don't expect it will be at Portman Road.

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Post by The Odious Mr Rossi » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:26 pm

bluepeter wrote:
bluemike wrote:There is absolutely zero chance of Tom Lawrence being signed by ITFC, why can't people realise that ? He will go for a good 6 Million at least and most likely to the premier league.
Mike he would come to us with a good deal.No one in their right mind would go back to Leicester.He is worth the walk in crowd...I'm even tempted and my 2 daughters and their boyfriends are talking about his goals...£250 ....fish n chips from Bramford Rd.bargain!!!
Peter, are you not listening to what Mike is saying?
Tom Lawrence wants to play in the PL - he has said this and MM has said this, so it's certainly no secret. And he will have more than one offer to do just that next season.

Even if our tight-fisted owner was to come up with whatever transfer fee was being asked, there is still absolutely no chance of him coming here.

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Post by The Odious Mr Rossi » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:28 pm

charlton837 wrote:well that was so much better. At least it was entertaining to watch! Defensively not perfect but we looked good going forwards. Steven Taylor did make a difference and it was so nice to see him organizing, he didn't stop talking the whole match, to be honest everything that Berra doesn't do. Berra is a good defender in the right system, but he always seems to be in it for himself, he doesn't appear to help others. If we keep Taylor fit he will be a good signing for us this season. Huws was a surprise, I didn't know much about him but on that performance not sure why Cardiff didn't want him playing, even worse than that they gave Ipswich a player who if we carried on in the same vein we could have been embroiled in that relegation battle that Cardiff themselves are in.

Plenty more of that type of football and Mick could earn himself a lot of credit. I think he needs to acknowledge what he has served up this season is just too negative and boring and we need a change of direction, if he is willing to be a part of that then who knows, he could survive, but he has to show an ongoing willingness to do it, don't revert to type at Villa this weekend. The pleasing thing after the game is he didn't try to be smug about the fans, he gave plenty of praise instead. Saturday shows if you try and do things the right way the crowd will respond. If we had of drawn that 2-2 playing the way we had most of this season, there wouldn't have been much optimism, instead everyone would have said we were lucky. The way we tried to play Saturday meant they walked off to a great applause and fans showed they appreciated what the players and manager put in to the game. More of the same please!

Tom Lawrence - What a player at this level, I see some people saying if we offered him he right deal he would join, NO CHANCE im afraid. He will have plenty of options and most of them will be more attractive than Ipswich Town, given his current run of form and age you are probably talking best part of £10m and wages of £30,000, there is absolutely no chance of that happening here. Lets just enjoy him whilst he is here, considering he is on loan playing for a team that has been dreadful most of the season, he as shown great commitment to the cause, I think we as fans should appreciate what he has done for us this season.
What??? You means he's a selfish Scottish pillock? Surely not :wink: :lol:

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Post by herforder » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:32 pm

I think folk need to take on board Ian Milne's post-match cooments on Radio Suffolk. For those who might like to read them - see TWTD.

In essence:

For whatever reasons, ME has imposed a rigid budget on player acquisitions. Whilst, for the right player, it might stretch to lower end 6 figures, it will never approach 8. Whilst understanding supporters' frustration at the obvious restrictions to being competitive this policy imposes, that is the reality of 'the owner's' approach. Linking to his 5 point plan regarding players' development and recruitment, his annual investment to meet all other costs - wages, backroom staff, academy etc - not covered by ticket sales etc, he nevertheless remains committed, and wants future success. (Difficult to reconcile the two).

By the same token, there's recognition that the standard and entertainment value of the 'product' on offer has been nowhere good enough - and here I detected an oblique criticism of some under-performing players. With resulting dwindling crowds, a ticket pricing review is therefore taking place, with potential initiatives to capture and keep younger supporters - essential for the club's future health. Some incentives, also, for ST holders.

But in an increasingly tough league awash with parachute payments, and other owners prepared to risk spending their way to the promised land, ME's approach consigns us, realistically, to mid-table permanency. Yes, it's possible that we might over-achieve again; equally, however, we could find ourselves scraping along in the lower half for the foreseeable future. Or worse, trying to avoid the dreaded "R" word.

This is what's on offer under the current regime, headed by an invisible and reclusive multi-millionaire to whom is entrusted both the history and the future of our great club. You pays YOUR money, and you makes YOUR choice. Perhaps one day soon, we'll hear from Mr Evans.

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Post by BLUEBLOOD » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:09 pm

Probably when he calls in his debts and calls for a winding up order of the club. :(

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Post by Charnwood » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:09 pm

For anyone who want's to read it.....http://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich_tow ... _1_4878109

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Post by bluejacko » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:13 pm

We have missed a trick here again! i know we cant afford to keep Lawrence but we could have broken the bank to get him last month and then sold him on in the summer for a tidy profit.

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Post by Charnwood » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:35 pm

bluejacko wrote:We have missed a trick here again! i know we cant afford to keep Lawrence but we could have broken the bank to get him last month and then sold him on in the summer for a tidy profit.


I don't think we've missed anything, as far as I'm aware he's not for sale.

One thing for sure, his value has probably doubled since he came here on loan.

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Post by bluejacko » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:54 pm

Charnwood wrote:
bluejacko wrote:We have missed a trick here again! i know we cant afford to keep Lawrence but we could have broken the bank to get him last month and then sold him on in the summer for a tidy profit.


I don't think we've missed anything, as far as I'm aware he's not for sale.

One thing for sure, his value has probably doubled since he came here on loan.
Yes I know only wishful thinking :D

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Post by charlton837 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:40 pm

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charlton837 wrote:well that was so much better. At least it was entertaining to watch! Defensively not perfect but we looked good going forwards. Steven Taylor did make a difference and it was so nice to see him organizing, he didn't stop talking the whole match, to be honest everything that Berra doesn't do. Berra is a good defender in the right system, but he always seems to be in it for himself, he doesn't appear to help others. If we keep Taylor fit he will be a good signing for us this season. Huws was a surprise, I didn't know much about him but on that performance not sure why Cardiff didn't want him playing, even worse than that they gave Ipswich a player who if we carried on in the same vein we could have been embroiled in that relegation battle that Cardiff themselves are in.

Plenty more of that type of football and Mick could earn himself a lot of credit. I think he needs to acknowledge what he has served up this season is just too negative and boring and we need a change of direction, if he is willing to be a part of that then who knows, he could survive, but he has to show an ongoing willingness to do it, don't revert to type at Villa this weekend. The pleasing thing after the game is he didn't try to be smug about the fans, he gave plenty of praise instead. Saturday shows if you try and do things the right way the crowd will respond. If we had of drawn that 2-2 playing the way we had most of this season, there wouldn't have been much optimism, instead everyone would have said we were lucky. The way we tried to play Saturday meant they walked off to a great applause and fans showed they appreciated what the players and manager put in to the game. More of the same please!

Tom Lawrence - What a player at this level, I see some people saying if we offered him he right deal he would join, NO CHANCE im afraid. He will have plenty of options and most of them will be more attractive than Ipswich Town, given his current run of form and age you are probably talking best part of £10m and wages of £30,000, there is absolutely no chance of that happening here. Lets just enjoy him whilst he is here, considering he is on loan playing for a team that has been dreadful most of the season, he as shown great commitment to the cause, I think we as fans should appreciate what he has done for us this season.
What??? You means he's a selfish Scottish pillock? Surely not :wink: :lol:
Haha well I guess that's a less politically correct way of putting it :D. But I think we can be a better team without Berra now even though as an individual he isn't bad.

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Post by Tangfastic » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:12 am

Theres a good bit of positivity after that game. Great to hear fans actually enjoying the game even if it was a draw.

Cant believe some still think Lawrence will sign for us.

That's the problem with the loanees ... if they do well, they raise their profile and raise their price outside our budget.

Diarouaga sounds like his days at Leeds are numbered, so maybe the most likely to sign here permanently.

Those other two young lads from Cardiff and Reading .... if they do well here, they could very easily go back to their parent clubs or be snapped up by another Championship club.
Too early to worry about that.

One thing I've noticed .... our loanees tend to head to non-league clubs. Are they not good enough for League 1 or 2 clubs? Wouldn't mind seeing Dozzell head out on loan for the rest of the season. Can't see him getting much of a sniff in midfield this season, apart from the bench or last few games if we're clear of relegation. Could benefit more from full games week in, week out in League 1 / 2 .

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Post by charlton837 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:59 am

tangfastic wrote:Theres a good bit of positivity after that game. Great to hear fans actually enjoying the game even if it was a draw.

Cant believe some still think Lawrence will sign for us.

That's the problem with the loanees ... if they do well, they raise their profile and raise their price outside our budget.

Diarouaga sounds like his days at Leeds are numbered, so maybe the most likely to sign here permanently.

Those other two young lads from Cardiff and Reading .... if they do well here, they could very easily go back to their parent clubs or be snapped up by another Championship club.
Too early to worry about that.

One thing I've noticed .... our loanees tend to head to non-league clubs. Are they not good enough for League 1 or 2 clubs? Wouldn't mind seeing Dozzell head out on loan for the rest of the season. Can't see him getting much of a sniff in midfield this season, apart from the bench or last few games if we're clear of relegation. Could benefit more from full games week in, week out in League 1 / 2 .
Think the loan window is shut now so none of our players can go out on loan to a League 1/2 club? I think that's how it works anyway. I know Benyu keeps renewing his loan on a 1 month basis at Aldershot so maybe the rules are different for non league. But I agree, would be nice to see some of our players making it at league clubs, whenever we loaned Jordan Rhodes out to a league 1/2 club he was knocking goals in left, right and centre, that's what we need from some of our other players. Good to see we got 8 goals in the U23 game last night, be nice to see us having players scoring regularly at that level and then making the step up to league football

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