Premier League - Fulham FC vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

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Fulham Win
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Ipswich Win
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Draw
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Post by hallamblue » Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:35 am

Marco Silva , what a total bellend.

EADT: post match interview...

If someone has to win, it should be us' - Silva says Fulham deserved to beat Town
Mark Heath
5 hours ago


Fulham boss Marco Silva says his side deserved to win this afternoon's pulsating 2-2 draw with Ipswich Town.

High-flying Fulham twice trailed the Blues via Sammie Szmodics' first half strike and Liam Delap's thunderous second half penalty.

But two spot kicks from Raul Jimenez, the second in added time at the end of the game, saw the Cottagers grab a point at home.

READ MORE: Alex Jones' Town player ratings

After the game Silva, who was seen looking furious on the touchline several times during the match, insisted that Town's Leif Davis should have seen red for tripping a flying Harry Wilson as the home side countered in the first half.

Fulham's Raul Jimenez celebrates after levelling from the spot in added timeFulham's Raul Jimenez celebrates after levelling from the spot in added time (Image: PA) "Two points dropped, definitely," He added: "We have to be disappointed with our performance, definitely.

"It was a very good first 30 minutes. We were the team in control and we had two or three clear chances to score, one with Raúl, which was a great save from the goalkeeper.

“We didn’t give up many chances for them. With Delap and Szmodics, they have players on the attacking line who are quick and can create moments around the box, but the reality is that before 1-0, they didn’t.

“We lost control of the game when we went behind 1-0. We were too soft with the way we defended that moment. It’s a mistake from us and they scored.

READ MORE: McKenna rues 'unnecessary' penalties in draw

“The fighting spirit was there. Even in difficult circumstances with some decisions going against us, they showed the character.

"If somebody has to win the game, it should be ourselves. We created more chances, we were more on the front foot and we did everything apart from score more goals than Ipswich, so we have to be disappointed to not win the game."

He seems to total omit to say, Town's tactic of deploying a low bloc (allowing Fulham their possession %), which they were incapable of breaking down, was a success, and we managed to stick 2 goals past them ta boot and should have been 3 goals..... if any team deserved to win it was us!

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Post by arana peligrosa » Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:01 am

Too many fouls and contentious penalty awards to really enjoy what occurred out there, however on paper at least it's a commendable score. Too bad they had to spoil it by claiming one of their own with time running out to deny us a win. McKenna plays such defensive formations it's maybe a wonder we manage to score at all but it seems to work and (the team) get a certain return from it. Choice of away jerseys were questionable, pink or salmon just isn't us.

Came within moments of a big victory but their Mexican forward seems to hit the ground all too easy. Not only that takes forever to take a penalty kick. May work for them but damn irritating to any opposition team they face off with. It's been a good last few fixtures in all fact, the Chelsea victory of course and win at Molineux and here today were just moments away from claiming another win to go with it but certain Fulham players kind of spoilt it or clear lack of proper gamesmanship.

Walton looks like being first pick again after so long sidelined while Delap is proving a valuable member of the team. Maybe names like Szmodics and Broadhead should feature further upfield but the way the manager deploys the team each and every time just doesn't seem to allow it. Delap's not going to be replaced from #1 pick of lone attacker so long as he's available.

All told it were a frustrating end to contest as we were on verge of another three points but many would have taken a point before start of event. Once again and if not before there has to be certain positives to take from it.

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Post by MMJR67 » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:26 am

Some of us got slagged off for having this Morsy conversation earlier in this season. Funny how things change.

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Post by Cabanas Blue » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:41 am

Two pens given away and another two points dropped but 4 points from Chelsea and Fulham is fantastic, if we can keep this form up and a couple of more players coming in we should be OK IMO.

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Post by Bluemike » Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:44 am

MMJR67 wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 6:26 am
Some of us got slagged off for having this Morsy conversation earlier in this season. Funny how things change.
What's changed ? For me he's first name on team sheet, ok he made a mistake, Davis makes several every game.
All that's changed is a couple have jumped on the bandwagon. KM seems to think he's invaluable so he won't be going anywhere just yet.

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Post by Bluemike » Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:00 am

hallamblue wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:35 am
Marco Silva , what a total bellend.

EADT: post match interview...

If someone has to win, it should be us' - Silva says Fulham deserved to beat Town
Mark Heath
5 hours ago


Fulham boss Marco Silva says his side deserved to win this afternoon's pulsating 2-2 draw with Ipswich Town.

High-flying Fulham twice trailed the Blues via Sammie Szmodics' first half strike and Liam Delap's thunderous second half penalty.

But two spot kicks from Raul Jimenez, the second in added time at the end of the game, saw the Cottagers grab a point at home.

READ MORE: Alex Jones' Town player ratings

After the game Silva, who was seen looking furious on the touchline several times during the match, insisted that Town's Leif Davis should have seen red for tripping a flying Harry Wilson as the home side countered in the first half.

Fulham's Raul Jimenez celebrates after levelling from the spot in added timeFulham's Raul Jimenez celebrates after levelling from the spot in added time (Image: PA) "Two points dropped, definitely," He added: "We have to be disappointed with our performance, definitely.

"It was a very good first 30 minutes. We were the team in control and we had two or three clear chances to score, one with Raúl, which was a great save from the goalkeeper.

“We didn’t give up many chances for them. With Delap and Szmodics, they have players on the attacking line who are quick and can create moments around the box, but the reality is that before 1-0, they didn’t.

“We lost control of the game when we went behind 1-0. We were too soft with the way we defended that moment. It’s a mistake from us and they scored.

READ MORE: McKenna rues 'unnecessary' penalties in draw

“The fighting spirit was there. Even in difficult circumstances with some decisions going against us, they showed the character.

"If somebody has to win the game, it should be ourselves. We created more chances, we were more on the front foot and we did everything apart from score more goals than Ipswich, so we have to be disappointed to not win the game."

He seems to total omit to say, Town's tactic of deploying a low bloc (allowing Fulham their possession %), which they were incapable of breaking down, was a success, and we managed to stick 2 goals past them ta boot and should have been 3 goals..... if any team deserved to win it was us!
He acted a bit like a spoilt brat throwing his toys out of the pram but to be fair prior to us scoring the first it was all Fulham, we were sat in our box defending for most of it and barely getting into their half, much like the Arsenal game. Yes we defended well and they had no answer but at that point we were getting beaten on points for sure. I felt from the time Szmodics scored the game was a completely different story.

And having watched it again I still firmly believe Davis should have seen Red for that foul, we'd have been screaming for it at the other end.

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Post by Ricco » Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:04 am

- Most minutes this season other than Davis

- Highest pass percentage of any player

- Most tackles per game by any player

- Most dribbles per game by any player

- Most intercepts per game by a non defender

- Most clearances per game by a non defender

And that's just the stats I quickly checked, he tops everything, it shows how well he's played, how important he is, and how wrong the thread questioning him before the season was.

It will be weird when he steps aside after being the most pivotal player to our rise from League 1, but I've questioned his age for a few seasons now, so you never know... he could have more time in him than we think!!

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Post by Bluemike » Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:05 am

Having watched the whole game back it really was suicide on our part once again, gifted them Two needless penalties and tactically inept at the end again.

Yes Morsy was bloody stupid and the penalty soft but that DIDN'T cost us the win, within Two minutes we were back in front and in the same position prior to his indiscretion, what cost us the win was how we deploy Davis in the 90th bloody minute ffs, up in their box ! Why ? Just needed to see out a couple of minutes but no let's go gung ho again, they had failed to break us down all game so we could have seen it out comfortably. We made poor substitutions too and basically for the last crucial few minutes we got it wrong again.

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Post by Bluemike » Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:06 am

Ricco wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:04 am
- Most minutes this season other than Davis

- Highest pass percentage of any player

- Most tackles per game by any player

- Most dribbles per game by any player

- Most intercepts per game by a non defender

- Most clearances per game by a non defender

And that's just the stats I quickly checked, he tops everything, it shows how well he's played, how important he is, and how wrong the thread questioning him before the season was.

It will be weird when he steps aside after being the most pivotal player to our rise from League 1, but I've questioned his age for a few seasons now, so you never know... he could have more time in him than we think!!
Some don't dabble in facts mate, but thanks for that, they just see a conceded penalty.

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Post by Blue Wilf » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:32 am

Bluemike wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:05 am
Having watched the whole game back it really was suicide on our part once again, gifted them Two needless penalties and tactically inept at the end again.

Yes Morsy was bloody stupid and the penalty soft but that DIDN'T cost us the win, within Two minutes we were back in front and in the same position prior to his indiscretion, what cost us the win was how we deploy Davis in the 90th bloody minute ffs, up in their box ! Why ? Just needed to see out a couple of minutes but no let's go gung ho again, they had failed to break us down all game so we could have seen it out comfortably. We made poor substitutions too and basically for the last crucial few minutes we got it wrong again.
Exactly as I saw it. We did not need to go after a third goal at that point. Davis got caught out and gave them a pen. Another 2 points dropped through the wrong subs and the wrong tactical message from the touchline at that point in the game.
However this is apparently McKenna bashing 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Post by Ricco » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:45 am

Bluemike wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:06 am
Some don't dabble in facts mate, but thanks for that, they just see a conceded penalty.
McKenna does, and I guess that is all that really matters!!
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However this is apparently McKenna bashing 🤷🏻‍♂️
I haven't really seen any 'McKenna bashing' so maybe we should keep the exaggerated headlines out of things? :lol:

The point being made is that McKenna shouldn't allow Davis to be up there, if Davis has gone against McKenna's instructions then he deserves lambasting, but I severely doubt that is the case.

We struggled to sit back with 4 at the back, we were sitting ducks, so perhaps it was important to keep up an attacking threat, but we've proven now that we can sit back and defend for long periods with 5 at the back. Just 1 goal conceded in two games against Arsenal and Chelsea... so what the hell was Davis doing up there?

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Post by Blue Wilf » Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:52 am

Ricco wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:45 am
Bluemike wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:06 am
Some don't dabble in facts mate, but thanks for that, they just see a conceded penalty.
McKenna does, and I guess that is all that really matters!!
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Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:32 am
However this is apparently McKenna bashing 🤷🏻‍♂️
I haven't really seen any 'McKenna bashing' so maybe we should keep the exaggerated headlines out of things? :lol:

The point being made is that McKenna shouldn't allow Davis to be up there, if Davis has gone against McKenna's instructions then he deserves lambasting, but I severely doubt that is the case.

We struggled to sit back with 4 at the back, we were sitting ducks, so perhaps it was important to keep up an attacking threat, but we've proven now that we can sit back and defend for long periods with 5 at the back. Just 1 goal conceded in two games against Arsenal and Chelsea... so what the hell was Davis doing up there?
Nor have I Ricco. I did not use the phrase, I just repeat what was pushed at me. Don't shoot the messenger!

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Post by Steve and Jo » Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:29 am

Not really sure why the anti Morsy now, yes he was totally stupid for their first pen but i can't count many times when he made this kind of error.. I'm afraid Ipswich were a bit naïve. 2-1 up in the 88th minute and Clark shoots from long range, yes flip side of coin "if" it went in off the post then game over but percentage wise that "if" was unlikely. Sometimes just play the clock down. It is not that i'm totally against him shooting but why in hell would our left back yet again get caught out so far up the pitch?

Strange that Morsy gets some abuse yet Davis for how many times now give yet another penalty away? Where was the Fulham player going? what was he going to do? so close the line he could only in hope fire the ball across. So okay but we had men back to deal with that. So for me if going to really blame a player then Davis is that one to question over.

Davis is a great ball player, terrific left foot and i'm sure will become an international but if he's going to play left back his defending, his positional play has to improve

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Post by hallamblue » Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:45 am

I can’t understand why we aren’t looking for a left back up or even replacement and pushing Davis further forward.

But whilst the foul was down to the player…. The fact that Davis is steaming in to their box on near 90 mins must surely be a tactical thing. Players don’t make decisions off their own backs anymore, they’re so over coached. So whose fault is it that he is so far forward at this late , late stage in the game. Because this is not the first time is it .

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Post by ATB » Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:23 pm

Davis was up there because it opened right up for him as the Fulham players were out of position.

With 9 minutes to go (including time added) you don’t not take opportunities for scoring a goal.

We were millimeters away from putting the game to bed as a result of it.

Also it’s not like Davis didn’t get back to defend, he just made a poor challenge.

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Post by Ricco » Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:45 pm

ATB wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:23 pm
Also it’s not like Davis didn’t get back to defend, he just made a poor challenge.
It's another unknown, but he was scrambling and undoubtably fatigued from tracking back. There's a very strong argument to suggest he would have defended differently had he resisted the urge to maraud forward and been in a better starting position.
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Davis was up there because it opened right up for him as the Fulham players were out of position.
You're right, it's hindsight and I didn't realise there was so much time left, when you see 91 minutes, you expect backs to the wall!

He is the side that should push forward, with the right wing back rotating back and in to create a back four in his absence. But the thing is ATB, we have conceded a lot of late and very similar goals this season and away to a team like Fulham, at 2-1, I don't want Davis more than 10 yards in to their half at the very most, he can still contribute from there without risking a counter attack, that will always be my stance regardless of hindsight.

Attack being the best form of defence has failed us time and again in this division, the quality of players and teams are just too clinical for that.

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Post by marko69 » Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:06 pm

Just read this thread and thinking, maybe it’s time for Mashton to organise some night classes for the boss. 🤔
Do the physical training etc, strength, tactics etc during the day with the players……. Then get his arse to night class for his Mick McCarthy diploma.

SMH 🤦‍♂️

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Post by Ricco » Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:16 pm

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Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:06 pm
SMH 🤦‍♂️
Would you want Davis attacking in the 91st minute Marko? Whilst winning 2-1 away to a very good side, and having defended for 200 minutes, conceding only one to Champions League level teams in the previous two games by being more conservative.

Genuine question, because by SYH at people who question it, it does kind of suggest you think McKenna must be right about every single element of his tactics and that members on here will not be able to find any fault in any of decisions.

At the end of the day, he is human, he has different opinions to other managers, he has different opinions to other spectators, and not all of them are going to be optimal.

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Post by Bluemike » Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:22 pm

Steve and Jo wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:29 am
Not really sure why the anti Morsy now, yes he was totally stupid for their first pen but i can't count many times when he made this kind of error.. I'm afraid Ipswich were a bit naïve. 2-1 up in the 88th minute and Clark shoots from long range, yes flip side of coin "if" it went in off the post then game over but percentage wise that "if" was unlikely. Sometimes just play the clock down. It is not that i'm totally against him shooting but why in hell would our left back yet again get caught out so far up the pitch?

Strange that Morsy gets some abuse yet Davis for how many times now give yet another penalty away? Where was the Fulham player going? what was he going to do? so close the line he could only in hope fire the ball across. So okay but we had men back to deal with that. So for me if going to really blame a player then Davis is that one to question over.

Davis is a great ball player, terrific left foot and i'm sure will become an international but if he's going to play left back his defending, his positional play has to improve
Davis has been a liability quite often defensively, he had a few decent performances but has now returned to type. Instead of sending on Clarke and Al-Hamadi why not put on the experienced Conor Townsend? I bet we win that game.

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Post by Bluemike » Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:23 pm

Ricco wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:16 pm
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Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:06 pm
SMH 🤦‍♂️
Would you want Davis attacking in the 91st minute Marko? Whilst winning 2-1 away to a very good side, and having defended for 200 minutes, conceding only one to Champions League level teams in the previous two games by being more conservative.

Genuine question, because by SYH at people who question it, it does kind of suggest you think McKenna must be right about every single element of his tactics and that members on here will not be able to find any fault in any of decisions.

At the end of the day, he is human, he has different opinions to other managers, he has different opinions to other spectators, and not all of them are going to be optimal.
By Marko's own admission KM can do no wrong, a lot of fans feel the same. For me he's cost us a fair few points through naivety.

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Post by Ricco » Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:29 pm

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By Marko's own admission KM can do no wrong, a lot of fans feel the same. For me he's cost us a fair few points through naivety.
You're often one to stand up for managers Mike, so it adds validity when you question them.

Notice I didn't say criticise! Because I don't think it's a criticism to highlight decisions that managers make which you think aren't working. Even if a manger is right about most of the 10,000 decisions he makes, he's still going to be glaringly wrong about some of them. That's true of Sir Bobby, Sir Alf, Sir Alex, Sir McCarthy.

Doesn't make them bad managers, doesn't mean they're being 'criticised', doesn't mean we want change etc. The thing with McKenna, as brilliant as I think he is, is I do think he is slow to learn lessons or at least implement changes. That can be a compliment too for sure, but in a season where we're fighting for our lives and only have 38 games to do so, you need to be ruthless with your own thinking.

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Post by marko69 » Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:33 pm

If by Davis bombing forward like he does NUMEROUS occasions means the remaining defenders turn into f**king dunderheids who forget how to cover, then YES, change the tactic.
Let’s be honest here though; Leif Davis is a fairly ordinary, bordering on fairly shyte defender anyway.

Inches from 3-1. 🤦‍♂️

Will always SMH at the level of questioning towards ANY boss who’s prematurely managing in the EPL. More so on one who’s proved he ain’t no fluke.

To be honest……. Everything is hindsight in all the shyte i read on here. I ain’t right, (i dont claim to be either) and no one else is right.
WHO KNOWS what wouldve occurred had they adopted backs to wall tactics for near on 20 mins? Id gamble it wouldn’t turn out all that well regardless of the Cheltenham, sorry, Chelsea and Arsenal games.

And “Gung-Ho” labelling is creating something quite f**king negative on this forum. Gets on my f**king tits if im honest. But thats MY problem.

I know you probably do not read these threads Kieron, but just you keep on keeping on ma son and survival will happen.
And if not, yes, this’ll get dragged up, but at least you’ll have been positive and had a good bloody go at it. 👌👍👍

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Post by Ricco » Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:56 pm

marko69 wrote:
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I know you probably do not read these threads Kieron, but just you keep on keeping on ma son and survival will happen.
"On 16 December 2021, McKenna was appointed as manager of League One side Ipswich Town"

On 17th December 2021, tr14blue joined the tractor-boys forum. Make of that what you will Marko... I personally believe McKenna was quick to realise that this is a treasure-trove of footballing genius'.

And I get all your points for sure, but it would be very boring to not bother discussing hypotheticals on here. I think pointing out such things about McKenna's tactics is like saying 'I think you left the baklava in the oven for too long, and it's a bit brown'... well it's still bloody delicious!!

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Post by valleyroad » Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:23 pm

Ricco wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:29 pm
Bluemike wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:23 pm
By Marko's own admission KM can do no wrong, a lot of fans feel the same. For me he's cost us a fair few points through naivety.
You're often one to stand up for managers Mike, so it adds validity when you question them.

Notice I didn't say criticise! Because I don't think it's a criticism to highlight decisions that managers make which you think aren't working. Even if a manger is right about most of the 10,000 decisions he makes, he's still going to be glaringly wrong about some of them. That's true of Sir Bobby, Sir Alf, Sir Alex, Sir McCarthy.

Doesn't make them bad managers, doesn't mean they're being 'criticised', doesn't mean we want change etc. The thing with McKenna, as brilliant as I think he is, is I do think he is slow to learn lessons or at least implement changes. That can be a compliment too for sure, but in a season where we're fighting for our lives and only have 38 games to do so, you need to be ruthless with your own thinking.
Really, i doubt he would be where he is just now but for that. He is probably one of the best young coaches out there at the moment who learns lessons better than most. He has also learned at some of the top teams in England

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Post by Ricco » Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:37 pm

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Really, i doubt he would be where he is just now but for that. He is probably one of the best young coaches out there at the moment who learns lessons better than most. He has also learned at some of the top teams in England
And Einstein couldn't speak until he was six. No human in history is bereft of flaws.

Yeah you're right, he's clearly a good learner to be where he is at his age, but perhaps if he makes a decision, he can be too reluctant to change it at times. It's taken him half a season to drop Muric, change to five at the back, and get Hutchinson on to the right. It's all just opinion, but maybe if he were a touch punchier with his changes and 'experiments' we'd have found a better formula sooner and be in a stronger position. Indeed maybe not, but fans were screaming for change and it was starting to feel like not changing anything yet expecting better results.

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Post by marko69 » Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:42 pm

Ricco wrote:
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marko69 wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 1:33 pm
I know you probably do not read these threads Kieron, but just you keep on keeping on ma son and survival will happen.
"On 16 December 2021, McKenna was appointed as manager of League One side Ipswich Town"

On 17th December 2021, tr14blue joined the tractor-boys forum. Make of that what you will Marko... I personally believe McKenna was quick to realise that this is a treasure-trove of footballing genius'.

And I get all your points for sure, but it would be very boring to not bother discussing hypotheticals on here. I think pointing out such things about McKenna's tactics is like saying 'I think you left the baklava in the oven for too long, and it's a bit brown'... well it's still bloody delicious!!
Nothing bad about discussing hypotheticals at all. Got to encourage it. 100%

But......., "that's on McKenna" works both ways. Had he defended, and it's 2-2 or even 3-2 defeat...... Is that on McKenna? Well, you'd have to think it is yes? Or would that NOT be on McKenna because he CLEARLY instructed Gung-Ho! ?

For me, once they cross that line at 0 mins, and at 45mins, it's on the players to play the game as it pans out in front of them whilst keeping the "basic" structure, which they do quite well.

Was it Paul Cook who developed the "defeat from winning positions" record. Was a big topic on here. But he adopted the "Jose Mourinho' phrase coined from a guy on a Hibs bus" parking the bus tactic. Lambasted.
And now, several years later........, "PARK THE BUS! SAVE THE 2-1!"

If anything, it's as entertaining as a burnt baklava.

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Re: Premier League - Fulham FC vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Bluemike » Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:53 pm

Ricco wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:37 pm
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Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:23 pm
Really, i doubt he would be where he is just now but for that. He is probably one of the best young coaches out there at the moment who learns lessons better than most. He has also learned at some of the top teams in England
And Einstein couldn't speak until he was six. No human in history is bereft of flaws.

Yeah you're right, he's clearly a good learner to be where he is at his age, but perhaps if he makes a decision, he can be too reluctant to change it at times. It's taken him half a season to drop Muric, change to five at the back, and get Hutchinson on to the right. It's all just opinion, but maybe if he were a touch punchier with his changes and 'experiments' we'd have found a better formula sooner and be in a stronger position. Indeed maybe not, but fans were screaming for change and it was starting to feel like not changing anything yet expecting better results.
That's exactly it, its not slagging him off, it's making observations on things you think are wrong, its people's opinions.
FWIW I tried to clarify my feelings on KM, for 2 seasons he really was bordering on Messiah status, he basically did NO wrong and I for One loved it.

Despite feeling a bit disappointed at the way the close season rumours were handled I was ultimately glad he stayed here.

I genuinely think he is fag paper thin away from nailing the Premier League too, he's that close, he's finding formations and tactics that finally suit us, work, and cause damn good opponents problems. All it will take for him to be ripping this up is a bit of a pragmatic approach at key times, its not happened once, it's happened several times, the points lost would have had us mid table, of course nobody knows 100% we win those games but nobody can argue that it's very likely we win most of them.

It's almost admirable the way KM approaches games but it's far from without risk, sorry here Marko but the "gung ho" let's look for another hasn't worked every time except at Wolves. I accept gung ho is harsh but its how it feels when that full-time whistle goes and we've shipped more points that were all but in the bag.

As I say KM is that close to nailing this but people aren't ripping into him for the sake of it, its more constructive criticism, to criticise nothing is equally if not more damaging.

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Re: Premier League - Fulham FC vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by valleyroad » Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:53 pm

Ricco wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:37 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:23 pm
Really, i doubt he would be where he is just now but for that. He is probably one of the best young coaches out there at the moment who learns lessons better than most. He has also learned at some of the top teams in England
And Einstein couldn't speak until he was six. No human in history is bereft of flaws.

Yeah you're right, he's clearly a good learner to be where he is at his age, but perhaps if he makes a decision, he can be too reluctant to change it at times. It's taken him half a season to drop Muric, change to five at the back, and get Hutchinson on to the right. It's all just opinion, but maybe if he were a touch punchier with his changes and 'experiments' we'd have found a better formula sooner and be in a stronger position. Indeed maybe not, but fans were screaming for change and it was starting to feel like not changing anything yet expecting better results.
Agree on Muric, for me McKenna should have dropped him well before he did. Would be interesting to see his reasons why not.
The back 5 for me doesn't suit Hutchinson and i'm not convinced McKenna sees his best position as on the right. I think he sees more potential for him as a number 10. It doesn't surprise me he is going for Philogene again for that reason.
I think also he will use a back 5 in some matches and not in others. He used it against Arsenal, Tottenham and Fulham away and Chelsea at home.
Not rocket science too see why. Very much doubt he will use it at PR for most matches or quite a few away's also.

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Re: Premier League - Fulham FC vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Bluemike » Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:57 pm

valleyroad wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:53 pm
Ricco wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:37 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:23 pm
Really, i doubt he would be where he is just now but for that. He is probably one of the best young coaches out there at the moment who learns lessons better than most. He has also learned at some of the top teams in England
And Einstein couldn't speak until he was six. No human in history is bereft of flaws.

Yeah you're right, he's clearly a good learner to be where he is at his age, but perhaps if he makes a decision, he can be too reluctant to change it at times. It's taken him half a season to drop Muric, change to five at the back, and get Hutchinson on to the right. It's all just opinion, but maybe if he were a touch punchier with his changes and 'experiments' we'd have found a better formula sooner and be in a stronger position. Indeed maybe not, but fans were screaming for change and it was starting to feel like not changing anything yet expecting better results.
Agree on Muric, for me McKenna should have dropped him well before he did. Would be interesting to see his reasons why not.
The back 5 for me doesn't suit Hutchinson and i'm not convinced McKenna sees his best position as on the right. I think he sees more potential for him as a number 10. It doesn't surprise me he is going for Philogene again for that reason.
I think also he will use a back 5 in some matches and not in others. He used it against Arsenal, Tottenham and Fulham away and Chelsea at home.
Not rocket science too see why. Very much doubt he will use it at PR for most matches or quite a few away's also.
VR, look at the results in those Four games though, pretty impressive and could have been even better.

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Re: Premier League - Fulham FC vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Ricco » Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:02 pm

marko69 wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:42 pm
If anything, it's as entertaining as a burnt baklava.
A sackable offence if ever I saw one.

McCarthy would park the bus after 5 minutes against Bury Town. It's all about when and how you apply it I guess, it's neither a good nor bad tactic.

If it were a one off I don't think it would be questioned like it is, but we have the record of losing the most points from winning positions... we have led 10 games this season and gone on to win just 3 of them... 13 points from a provisional 30. Of course we won't go on to win all those games and shouldn't, but maybe, just maybe, we could learn from that a little faster and make changes. I think the frustration with the Fulham equaliser it that it suggests we're not trying to figure out if there's a better way.

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