End of an era - the highlights
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End of an era - the highlights
What are your JR highlights?
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he brought the kids in because of injuries, not because he wanted toitfc_01 wrote:highlight - bringing in all the great lads we now have
low - the board messing up his career
as for the board messing up his career, thats crap, his tactics did that, he new the score with our finances when he joined in the 1st place
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he obviously went with those tactics because he was forced to ,like playing the kids.after over 40 years in big time football,he didn't become a dunce all of a sudden....he did what he had to...Riviera wrote:he brought the kids in because of injuries, not because he wanted toitfc_01 wrote:highlight - bringing in all the great lads we now have
low - the board messing up his career
as for the board messing up his career, thats crap, his tactics did that, he new the score with our finances when he joined in the 1st place
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Bollox to that I am afraid, he is old school tactics, hoof and run - football has moved on JR didn't simple as that. It worked for oldham 12 years ago or more, it worked for Man City in div 2 & then div 1 (as it was) but it didn't work for us.MMJR67 wrote:he obviously went with those tactics because he was forced to ,like playing the kids.after over 40 years in big time football,he didn't become a dunce all of a sudden....he did what he had to...Riviera wrote:he brought the kids in because of injuries, not because he wanted toitfc_01 wrote:highlight - bringing in all the great lads we now have
low - the board messing up his career
as for the board messing up his career, thats crap, his tactics did that, he new the score with our finances when he joined in the 1st place
1 dimensional, old school - was signed on reputation not ability.
He isn't a dunce, but a football dinosaur, like Graham Taylor, David Pleat etc etc - they needed to move with the times but couldn't. Therefore they have no place in the modern game!
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Highlight of BFJ's reign.........him leaving.
Lowlight..........his appointment as manager in 2002.
I'm one of those fans that wasn't too keen on Joe from the start for a couple of reasons. One was the memory of his premature promotion celebrations while with Man City and the joy we had being the team to relegate Man City the following season. That of course is a distant memory now but the second reason was the fact that he was just not an Ipswich style manager. It was like giving the job to Ron Atkinson.
The only thing I can give Joe credit for is dealing with the financial crisis in a dignified way. As I recall, we didn't go into administration until AFTER Joe was appointed (correct me if I'm wrong) and I wonder if he really knew the state of the finances when he signed up. If he did, what a mug, if he didn't then well done for getting on with it when other managers would have walked a long time ago. I don't think he knew, so I give him credit for that.
BUT, at the end of the day he is a terrible judge of a footballer, has no idea how to nurture talented young players and has infact destroyed the confidence of at least two of our young prospects in recent seasons (Dean McDonald, our pre-season highest scorer and Bowditch). His tactics don't make sense (attack has always been the best form of defence Joe !).
Most of the clubs in the Championship and lower leagues face similar financial realities to Ipswich but there are numerous examples of managers who have plucked unknown players from obscurity for peanuts and turned them into Premiership players (Doyle at Reading is one that springs to mind) but Joe's only success really on that front was Kuqi, and he even screwed that up, refusing to offer him a new contract, putting him on the transfer list and then offering him a contract once Blackburn came in for him. We voted Kuqi player of the year and he lets him simply walk away from the club. Genius piece of management !
When Joe finally got some money he once again showed his inability to spot good players. When Currie arrived at the club we needed pace in midfield, not another stationary ball player (we were overrun with those at the time) so Currie was no better than what we had. Then came the Sam Parkin saga. I feel sorry for Sam, he seems a nice enough chap, but he's no good in the air and has no pace........why buy him ? We needed another Kuqi to put it about up front.
On the conveyor belt of 'players' that Joe has brought to the club, the successes for me are Kuqi, Davies and De Vos. I think Alan Lee and Forster could also join that list with possibly Castro and, although only with us briefly, Unsworth and Elliott.
As for the young players, amazingly a new batch of young talent emerged this season, with Danny Haynes being the highlight. If Joe had stayed though I would have grave concerns for Danny's future. I couldn't stand by and watch yet another player's confidence being destroyed. I even recall him telling Darren Bent he needed to build himself up physically, but Joe, it's not all about brute force.......Thierry Henry is a prime example and is Bent's role model. Curbishley did a better in one season with Bent than Joe did in 3 years of managing him.
Joe rarely seemed to see the game the same way as most supporters and some of his post match interviews last season had to be heard to be believed. I can't stand managers who talk in football parlance ("he was breathing out of his backside" for example).....the most respected managers in the world talk about tactics, protect their players, they just make sense when they talk. Joe rarely made sense.
As a season ticket holder for almost 20 years I've seen a few players and managers come and go and the benchmark for any Ipswich manager is George Burley, John Lyall and Bobby Robson because they could spot a good player, encourage them, improve them and build them into a team. Lyall and Burley in particular didn't have money but turned average players into Premierships teams.
If I had money to invest in Ipswich, I would never hand it over while Joe was in charge. Investing in football clubs is like pouring money down the drain at the best of times, but with BFJ at the helm you might as well just set light to it. I'm passionate about Ipswich, like everyone on this forum, and I would pour money down the drain for them if I had the cash and the right manager was spending the money.
So, at last, Joe is gone and hopefully we can look forward to a real 'manager' this time. I don't even care about being in the Premiership.......I just want to look forward to the games, get excited about young/new players and feel like things are getting better all the time.
Ipswich is still a great club with an enviable reputation for producing top class young players. Nobody outside the Premiership has loads of cash to spend so any young manager wanting to make a name for himself would jump at the chance of taking over. That idiot DJ on Suffolk Radio has always said "but who would want to take over a club in our position ?". We'll now find out but I think the answer is, alot of people !!
Wouldn't mind having a crack at it myself !
Lowlight..........his appointment as manager in 2002.
I'm one of those fans that wasn't too keen on Joe from the start for a couple of reasons. One was the memory of his premature promotion celebrations while with Man City and the joy we had being the team to relegate Man City the following season. That of course is a distant memory now but the second reason was the fact that he was just not an Ipswich style manager. It was like giving the job to Ron Atkinson.
The only thing I can give Joe credit for is dealing with the financial crisis in a dignified way. As I recall, we didn't go into administration until AFTER Joe was appointed (correct me if I'm wrong) and I wonder if he really knew the state of the finances when he signed up. If he did, what a mug, if he didn't then well done for getting on with it when other managers would have walked a long time ago. I don't think he knew, so I give him credit for that.
BUT, at the end of the day he is a terrible judge of a footballer, has no idea how to nurture talented young players and has infact destroyed the confidence of at least two of our young prospects in recent seasons (Dean McDonald, our pre-season highest scorer and Bowditch). His tactics don't make sense (attack has always been the best form of defence Joe !).
Most of the clubs in the Championship and lower leagues face similar financial realities to Ipswich but there are numerous examples of managers who have plucked unknown players from obscurity for peanuts and turned them into Premiership players (Doyle at Reading is one that springs to mind) but Joe's only success really on that front was Kuqi, and he even screwed that up, refusing to offer him a new contract, putting him on the transfer list and then offering him a contract once Blackburn came in for him. We voted Kuqi player of the year and he lets him simply walk away from the club. Genius piece of management !
When Joe finally got some money he once again showed his inability to spot good players. When Currie arrived at the club we needed pace in midfield, not another stationary ball player (we were overrun with those at the time) so Currie was no better than what we had. Then came the Sam Parkin saga. I feel sorry for Sam, he seems a nice enough chap, but he's no good in the air and has no pace........why buy him ? We needed another Kuqi to put it about up front.
On the conveyor belt of 'players' that Joe has brought to the club, the successes for me are Kuqi, Davies and De Vos. I think Alan Lee and Forster could also join that list with possibly Castro and, although only with us briefly, Unsworth and Elliott.
As for the young players, amazingly a new batch of young talent emerged this season, with Danny Haynes being the highlight. If Joe had stayed though I would have grave concerns for Danny's future. I couldn't stand by and watch yet another player's confidence being destroyed. I even recall him telling Darren Bent he needed to build himself up physically, but Joe, it's not all about brute force.......Thierry Henry is a prime example and is Bent's role model. Curbishley did a better in one season with Bent than Joe did in 3 years of managing him.
Joe rarely seemed to see the game the same way as most supporters and some of his post match interviews last season had to be heard to be believed. I can't stand managers who talk in football parlance ("he was breathing out of his backside" for example).....the most respected managers in the world talk about tactics, protect their players, they just make sense when they talk. Joe rarely made sense.
As a season ticket holder for almost 20 years I've seen a few players and managers come and go and the benchmark for any Ipswich manager is George Burley, John Lyall and Bobby Robson because they could spot a good player, encourage them, improve them and build them into a team. Lyall and Burley in particular didn't have money but turned average players into Premierships teams.
If I had money to invest in Ipswich, I would never hand it over while Joe was in charge. Investing in football clubs is like pouring money down the drain at the best of times, but with BFJ at the helm you might as well just set light to it. I'm passionate about Ipswich, like everyone on this forum, and I would pour money down the drain for them if I had the cash and the right manager was spending the money.
So, at last, Joe is gone and hopefully we can look forward to a real 'manager' this time. I don't even care about being in the Premiership.......I just want to look forward to the games, get excited about young/new players and feel like things are getting better all the time.
Ipswich is still a great club with an enviable reputation for producing top class young players. Nobody outside the Premiership has loads of cash to spend so any young manager wanting to make a name for himself would jump at the chance of taking over. That idiot DJ on Suffolk Radio has always said "but who would want to take over a club in our position ?". We'll now find out but I think the answer is, alot of people !!
Wouldn't mind having a crack at it myself !
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how do you think we played when we had darren bent up front, all we did was bang the ball up feild, he would use his pace run on to it and knock it in, our style of play hasnt changed, we just no longer have the pacey daren bent and the strong shefki kuqi to feed of the long ballsthe-mole wrote:Bollox to that I am afraid, he is old school tactics, hoof and run - football has moved on JR didn't simple as that. It worked for oldham 12 years ago or more, it worked for Man City in div 2 & then div 1 (as it was) but it didn't work for us.MMJR67 wrote:he obviously went with those tactics because he was forced to ,like playing the kids.after over 40 years in big time football,he didn't become a dunce all of a sudden....he did what he had to...Riviera wrote: he brought the kids in because of injuries, not because he wanted to
as for the board messing up his career, thats crap, his tactics did that, he new the score with our finances when he joined in the 1st place
1 dimensional, old school - was signed on reputation not ability.
He isn't a dunce, but a football dinosaur, like Graham Taylor, David Pleat etc etc - they needed to move with the times but couldn't. Therefore they have no place in the modern game!
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When getting in from work last night I was shocked to see him leave. I have many memories of the past few seasons.
Highlights- Being 2-0 down to Shef Utd and having Pablo sent off, and coming back to win 3-2. Still remember it, and Royle said himself that he went mental at the players, making me realise he something in that dressing room.
And the victories against Norwich (well, both of them)
Low points- Having him make many promises of getting new players before certain dates, and see nothing come from it.
Being in such a great position last season, and seeing it slip away, along with Bent, Kuqi, Miller and Davis.
Highlights- Being 2-0 down to Shef Utd and having Pablo sent off, and coming back to win 3-2. Still remember it, and Royle said himself that he went mental at the players, making me realise he something in that dressing room.
And the victories against Norwich (well, both of them)
Low points- Having him make many promises of getting new players before certain dates, and see nothing come from it.
Being in such a great position last season, and seeing it slip away, along with Bent, Kuqi, Miller and Davis.