Do the players actually want promotion?

Post by **Charnwood** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:22 pm

Definitely a controversial question, but from what's unfolding in front of me I'd question whether or not some of the players actually want promotion.

Given that many of the current squad wouldn't last five minutes in the Premier League, promotion would be the equivalent of making themselves unemployed and needing to find a new job.

If you were in that situation where's the incentive to do well?

Shed on tour · Post by **Shed on tour** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:47 pm

Charny

I can see where you're coming from but I can't believe that the players would think like that.

If they do then we might as well forget about ever getting promoted to the Premiership. Think the problem is more the case of us not being good enough in certain area's of the squad and it being too small.

number 9 · Post by **number 9** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:56 pm

That's a very interesting question although I find it hard to believe that any player wouldn't want promotion...regardless of how promotion would affect an individual's future. I could be wrong. However, I do think it is very possible that most of our current squad do not have the physicality nor athleticism to be successful in the Premier league.

Jamma123 · Post by **Jamma123** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:02 pm

As others have said, it's an interesting question but, with our often cited team spirit - and the players' professional pride - I can't imagine that any of the squad wouldn't want to be involved in a promotion.

You say that not many of our current squad would survive in the Premier League but how many of Burnley's team, for instance, would you have said the same about ahead of this season? With Sean Dyche having kept virtually the same side, they've hardly disgraced themselves amongst the elite...

arana peligrosa · Post by **arana peligrosa** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:04 pm

It's a question that's not as easy to respond to as it first appears.

For arguments sake, if that was their way of thinking, then what the f*ck are they doing being employed by the club. Put it another way, what kind of employer would take someone on that wasn't committed to the job or willing to contribute.

It's evident now that the current set-up isn't as good (or prepared) as ten years ago or even the promotion side of 1999 / 2000. We need players today like (we needed) then, especially in striking departments i.e. Kuqi, Stewart, Bent, Johnson etc. What McCarthy has brought in hasn't really inspired confidence.

We know there's something wrong out there, we don't know quite what it is, but can't really subscribe to the idea that the players are in the mindset that 'they don't want a promotion'

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number 9 · Post by **number 9** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:12 pm

Jamma123 wrote:As others have said, it's an interesting question but, with our often cited team spirit - and the players' professional pride - I can't imagine that any of the squad wouldn't want to be involved in a promotion.

You say that not many of our current squad would survive in the Premier League but how many of Burnley's team, for instance, would you have said the same about ahead of this season? With Sean Dyche having kept virtually the same side, they've hardly disgraced themselves amongst the elite...

I don't think any of our players would 'disgrace themselves' in the Prem. You have to take a look at Burnley's position in the table though, don't you think?

Post by **Frosty** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:17 pm

I believe they would want to go up just for the financial rewards if nothing else

Post by **Charnwood** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:42 pm

frostynz wrote:I believe they would want to go up just for the financial rewards if nothing else

Unless they have a massive "one off bonus" for promotion, most are on short term contracts (that's Towns policy) that probably wouldn't get renewed at the first review after promotion, effectively promotion would make many of them unemployed and the financial reward would be negative.

Surely if they really wanted promotion they'd put a bit more f**king effort in and do what they were doing before Christmas.

derick_ipsw · Post by **derick_ipsw** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:11 pm

Charnwood wrote:
frostynz wrote:I believe they would want to go up just for the financial rewards if nothing else

Unless they have a massive "one off bonus" for promotion, most are on short term contracts (that's Towns policy) that probably wouldn't get renewed at the first review after promotion, effectively promotion would make many of them unemployed and the financial reward would be negative.

Surely if they really wanted promotion they'd put a bit more f**king effort in and do what they were doing before Christmas.

The squad has a incentive bonus which pays out on finishing in the top 6. MM said this while back, so I think your theory that they would throw the playoff/promotion chance in all honesty is ridiculous. Not only would they be cheating themselves, the manager, chairman, fans, club how earth do you expect 22/25 players to agree to that? Get real please!!

Post by **marko69** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:44 pm

derick_ipsw wrote:
Charnwood wrote:
frostynz wrote:I believe they would want to go up just for the financial rewards if nothing else

Unless they have a massive "one off bonus" for promotion, most are on short term contracts (that's Towns policy) that probably wouldn't get renewed at the first review after promotion, effectively promotion would make many of them unemployed and the financial reward would be negative.

Surely if they really wanted promotion they'd put a bit more f**king effort in and do what they were doing before Christmas.
The squad has a incentive bonus which pays out on finishing in the top 6. MM said this while back, so I think your theory that they would throw the playoff/promotion chance in all honesty is ridiculous. Not only would they be cheating themselves, the manager, chairman, fans, club how earth do you expect 22/25 players to agree to that? Get real please!!

Lace their HT orange segments with "I'll believe everything you say" drugs.

I've had a few beers tonight......, and the beers are telling me that "something" is going to click into place over the next 11 games. Mick will change things for the better and results will start happening.

The beer ain't hearing the word "nosedive" this 14/15 season. It's been WAY too good a season for the "nosedive" word.

Get it done Mick. COYB's.

Post by **Charnwood** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:44 pm

derick_ipsw wrote:
Charnwood wrote:
frostynz wrote:I believe they would want to go up just for the financial rewards if nothing else

Unless they have a massive "one off bonus" for promotion, most are on short term contracts (that's Towns policy) that probably wouldn't get renewed at the first review after promotion, effectively promotion would make many of them unemployed and the financial reward would be negative.

Surely if they really wanted promotion they'd put a bit more f**king effort in and do what they were doing before Christmas.
The squad has a incentive bonus which pays out on finishing in the top 6. MM said this while back, so I think your theory that they would throw the playoff/promotion chance in all honesty is ridiculous. Not only would they be cheating themselves, the manager, chairman, fans, club how earth do you expect 22/25 players to agree to that? Get real please!!

Apologies Derek if it went over your head, but it was a rhetorical question posted simply to start a discussion. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

That said would you give your all if it meant losing your £6k a week job and see it given to somebody better with more pay?

Post by **Charnwood** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:24 am

Jamma123 wrote:As others have said, it's an interesting question but, with our often cited team spirit - and the players' professional pride - I can't imagine that any of the squad wouldn't want to be involved in a promotion.

You say that not many of our current squad would survive in the Premier League but how many of Burnley's team, for instance, would you have said the same about ahead of this season? With Sean Dyche having kept virtually the same side, they've hardly disgraced themselves amongst the elite...

I'm not convinced Burnley FC have any real ambition to stay long term in the Premier League. I recently read/listened to their Chief Executive who seemed far more interested in the Financial Security that their promotion had afforded them, than he was about their football ambitions.

Burnley have the least financial resources of any club in the Premier League but already they have more revenue than Dutch giants Ajax, the four-time European champions. That's how much promotion is worth. To be exact £120m is what promotion was worth to Burnley and that figure will rise again for promoted clubs following the new television deal, which commences in 2016.

I think Burnley have been happy to run with pretty much last season's team and take the money & run, as opposed to splashing out on lots of players on huge salaries and see it all go pear shaped. They could well be another yo-yo club and flit between the Championship and Premiership for the next few years, especially given how much more money they'll have in their coffers compared with clubs like ourselves.

If overseas television rights increase by the same percentage as domestic rights, the bottom club will earn around £99m a season under the new deal, which will see broadcasters pay more than £10m per game and that's without a similar parachute payment of the same amount paid over the next three years.

The gulf between The Championsip and The Premier League is set to get wider and wider and the players & managers from one league simply won't fit in the other, which is why Burnley, Leicester and QPR will most likely all be back in The Championship next season.

ipswichtownNo1 · Post by **ipswichtownNo1** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:05 am

Charnwood wrote:Definitely a controversial question, but from what's unfolding in front of me I'd question whether or not some of the players actually want promotion.

Given that many of the current squad wouldn't last five minutes in the Premier League, promotion would be the equivalent of making themselves unemployed and needing to find a new job.

If you were in that situation where's the incentive to do well?

Promoted to premier league 2014-15. Not a bad thing to have on your CV when applying for a new job. Thats one incentive

ipswichtownNo1 · Post by **ipswichtownNo1** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:14 am

Charnwood wrote:
frostynz wrote:I believe they would want to go up just for the financial rewards if nothing else

Unless they have a massive "one off bonus" for promotion, most are on short term contracts (that's Towns policy) that probably wouldn't get renewed at the first review after promotion, effectively promotion would make many of them unemployed and the financial reward would be negative.

Surely if they really wanted promotion they'd put a bit more f**king effort in and do what they were doing before Christmas.

I think the effort is there but tactically mick is making some strange choices. I like MM dont get me wrong. hes done a great job but some choices recently have been odd. Get back to the team he had before dec, a team that played week in week out and had a certain belief and confidence in one another. Use the recent signings as squad players and use only if required.

Post by **The Don** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:57 am

It's an interesting idea and certainly discussion worthy. For me, to ever consider that they wouldn't want to go up, as a professional at a football club, doesn't bear thinking about.

Otherwise we do we even bother?

Post by **Bluemike** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:50 am

Once again my thoughts on the subject replicate the Dons.

Post by **Charnwood** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:02 am

ipswichtownNo1 wrote:
Charnwood wrote:Definitely a controversial question, but from what's unfolding in front of me I'd question whether or not some of the players actually want promotion.

Given that many of the current squad wouldn't last five minutes in the Premier League, promotion would be the equivalent of making themselves unemployed and needing to find a new job.

If you were in that situation where's the incentive to do well?
Promoted to premier league 2014-15. Not a bad thing to have on your CV when applying for a new job. Thats one incentive

Probably the best argument put forward so far.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:26 am

Apart from individuals' professional pride and motivation to prove that they can operate successfully at the highest possible level, MM/TC would detect in an instant any of their players who were deliberately, or perhaps sub-consciously, bottling it. They would get nowhere the team - and they know it!

All the mood music coming from the squad is that they are a close-knit, determined and fully focussed bunch. Results and performances aside, don't think anyone has ever questioned the work-rate or effort.

Good subject for debate!

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