Stay positive

mikeipswich · Post by **mikeipswich** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:29 am

so after today's disappointing result, I went about my business - took my boy out and spent time with wife and family, and in the back of my mind I was disappointed about towns result and fearing the worst - about the other results....then I checked and felt better.
As far as I'm concerned we were never going to make the top two anyway, and if anyone would tell me 7th mid March, I'd take it, but to see Brentford and wolves drop points and only just finding out, I'm more upbeat!
McCarthy needs to make some changes, but the major one for me is getting McGoldrick and hyam back... Don't really get the love for Sears and won't until next season really, because McGoldrick really is by far the best forward at the club as far as I'm concerned.
Anyway, the reason for the post is, maybe this loss is a wake up call. We are perhaps ,
due to Lady Luck today (Brentford losing) that 6th is where we need to finish but more importantly the playoffs are really do-able... The dream is still alive...... Mick has had no funds and today's performance wasn't too bad - but parr needs to be back at rb... Town I love you, but the fans are too negative, and think Sears - who has been playing for Colchester for a reason isn't the answer......Didz get back soon and rescue our cause. Without you last year we failed and it's happening again

Post by **Charnwood** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:13 am

A well made point but it's very hard to stay positive when you've watched your team take only one point from four games so far in March.

As Mick said after today's game we need five wins to stand a chance of making the play offs, I certainly wouldn't right us off yet but something has to change if we're going to make it.

A good win on Tuesday night could take us back into the Top 6 and above Brentford if they lose at Blackburn who are playing well at the moment. Lose on Tuesday night and Wolves win then we could drop to 8th and I think if that happens our season will be all but over.

Sadly every game we lose the next becomes even more important till we eventually run out of games.

Shed on tour · Post by **Shed on tour** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:25 am

Tbh the way our defence played yet again yesterday I find it very hard to remain positive about the rest of the season.
We are making so many mistakes at the back that I just can't see us getting those 5 wins that Mick reckons we require. I assume when you say if anyone would tell me 7th mid March, I'd take it, you mean at the start of the season and I expect most of us on here would agree with that.
However, if you asked the same question on the 1st January of this year I think the response would be entirely different.

Post by **Bluemike** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:01 am

It is when the chips are down that we all really need to keep behind the team and stay as positive as we can which is why I like the OP's post, it is so easy to be negative when things are not going well. At the start of the seasonb we all would have took where we are now for sure, it is ok looking at where we were on 1st January but it was only half way through, how many sporting events around the world are won by the person in front at the half way stage ?? The fact is we were spoilt in the first half of the season and a group of honest, hard working but average players played out of their skin for 23 games in which they only lost once and in doing so are now victims of their own success and being subject to alot of unfair criticism and some of it not very nice towards certain individuals who no matter what we think always give there all.

I for one am not giving up on top six, no way am I, with Five home games to go we have to go out to win the lot, Four wins may be enough if we can pick up an away victory along the way, it's not as if the game against Brentford and the first half yesterday were poor performances because they werent, we just arent getting the rub at times which we were earlier in the season, add to this Two or Three players needing a rerst and this is where MM must bite the bullet and go for it for once.

I do disagree with the op's comment on Sears though, he may not have had his best game yesterday but he has been a breath of fresh air and offers so much more than McGoldrick has at any time this season. That said Didsy back in the squad Tuesday will give us an extra option and if he could only find flashes of his best form it could well be coming at a crucial time for us.

Shed on tour · Post by **Shed on tour** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:05 am

Mike
Whilst I agree nothing is won at the half way stage if I said to you on the 1st January, when we were 10 points clear of the 7th place club (Norwich) would you take 7th place by Mid-March, what would your answer have been?

When I mentioned earlier in the season about luck and the rub of the green playing it's part I remember people saying luck had nothing to do with it.

Don't get me wrong I hope things all of a sudden take a turn for the better (as they say it's the hope that kills you) but the way we keep shooting ourselves in the foot defensively I just can't see it.

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:39 am

The McGoldrick of last season id agree with what you say. This season he is out form, and IMO not interested since Town declined the Leicester offer. He is again, IMO, far too slow for a striker, he cant run and now doesnt even bother. Sears is quicker. Put McG just behind Murphy :Sears then you would get the best out of him.

We miss Hyam sitting infront ofbthe back four. Smith us played on the wrong side of the CB and is somond footed he can only pass it to Chambers , evariably putting nit out of play, or hoof it .Chambers is not and never will ve a Right Back. Just whsn will MM seevtye bloody obvious?

barmy billy · Post by **barmy billy** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:53 am

hallamblue wrote:The McGoldrick of last season id agree with what you say. This season he is out form, and IMO not interested since Town declined the Leicester offer. He is again, IMO, far too slow for a striker, he cant run and now doesnt even bother. Sears is quicker. Put McG just behind Murphy :Sears then you would get the best out of him.

We miss Hyam sitting infront ofbthe back four. Smith us played on the wrong side of the CB and is somond footed he can only pass it to Chambers , evariably putting nit out of play, or hoof it .Chambers is not and never will ve a Right Back. Just whsn will MM seevtye bloody obvious?

How on earth would you manage without a spellchecker, Hallam.

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:41 pm

Ii not very good on samsung screen keyboards barmy lol.....i was actually dar better on my old BlackBerry phone

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:42 pm

See what i mean !!

TODD66 · Post by **TODD66** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:46 pm

I'm staying positive.

So much so I will at PR ON Tuesday night to add my voice to the 'roar'.

Post by **marko69** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:14 pm

I thought it was very correctly decided a few months ago that David McGoldrick doesn't really NEED to have pace and run past players to bye lines. He's got enough trickery and jiggery pokery in his armoury to be able to make a difference. It's his greediness that was a bit of a problem in my opinion.

ashfordblue · Post by **ashfordblue** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:06 pm

We seem to be able to see where the problem lies in the team selection and positions, but Mick just keeps going in arse about face in players positions, I'm sure he's not that thick and cant see the problem it causes, now we all see that the RB slot belongs to Parr and that Chambers should slot into the CB roll along with Berra and Mings at LB, its so blindingly obvious that Smith cant play right CB he gets turned to easy by quick strikers, alah Bamford twice yesterday, and we do get caught out with quick wide players, Ming's needs to sharpen his game up, he's too laid back, rarely breaks sweat, and allows the wide man too much space to turn, I will be glad when Hyam is available as he can sit in front of the back four and smash up the attacks with some on like Tabb who works his little socks off chasing down players, but if played in the correct position along with Hyam in a 4. 2. 3 lay out would bring some relief to our back 4, midfield then could be Bru, Bishop, & Scuse, with Murphy and Sears or McGoldrick up top, opposition managers know what team Mick will put out and play accordingly to break it up, at some point in the game I would like to see one or two wide players introduced like Connolly to bring a change, and to stop pumping long balls down to Murphy, it is so predictable to read, I really cant see the likes of Wood & Varney being any better than what we have, so to me its a wasted cheap option of a loan signing, but overall we do need a change of plan to our game, we did play well against Brough but it needs tweaking to open the game wider, if we now make the play offs I will be pleasantly surprised, but if we stick to what we've got then I feel its a fading ambition, I could be wrong, but I do feel that if M E had invested Mick some funds in the last window, with the acquisition of a decent midfield general type player not dissimilar to Williams, we might have stood a better chance of progress, rather than cheap loan strikers that cant get a game with their parent clubs, I feel we just might have missed the boat here, I hope not, and we pick up the points for a top six finish and stand a chance in the playoffs.

number 9 · Post by **number 9** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:17 pm

Stay positive??? I think supporting Ipswich Town for more than 40 years is staying positive! I am positive for next season...but as others have said, even if we make the play offs there's no way in hell we'd get promoted. And, can you imagine this team in the Prem???

Post by **marko69** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:23 pm

Anything can happen in the play offs, 9. They are effectively 3 "cup ties".

But I do dread to think of this team in the EPL. But if they made the EPL, pretty sure a few new faces would be kicking off this coming August.

Post by **Charnwood** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:32 pm

Being surrounded by Leicester City fans I can assure all of you they're really not enjoying their season in The Premier League and have already resigned themselves to next season in The Championship. Ok they enjoyed giving Man Utd a good beating but other than that it's been pretty poor. That said they'll have an extra £130m in the coffers including parachute payments which will give them and QPR plus Anr a great advantage over the rest of us.

We could really do with even a short visit to The Prem just to sort out our finances.

Post by **Bluemike** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:58 pm

Shed on tour wrote:Mike
Whilst I agree nothing is won at the half way stage if I said to you on the 1st January, when we were 10 points clear of the 7th place club (Norwich) would you take 7th place by Mid-March, what would your answer have been?

When I mentioned earlier in the season about luck and the rub of the green playing it's part I remember people saying luck had nothing to do with it.

Don't get me wrong I hope things all of a sudden take a turn for the better (as they say it's the hope that kills you) but the way we keep shooting ourselves in the foot defensively I just can't see it.

Yes I get what you are saying Shed but at the end of August after the draw at Derby we had gone Four games without a win were 19th in the table and already 5 points behind Norwich and 8 off the top, so my question is how many town fans would at that point accepted what we have been given since ? Stats are cobblers and can be dressed up any way you want to dress them.

Shed on tour · Post by **Shed on tour** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:13 pm

bluemike wrote:
Shed on tour wrote:Mike
Whilst I agree nothing is won at the half way stage if I said to you on the 1st January, when we were 10 points clear of the 7th place club (Norwich) would you take 7th place by Mid-March, what would your answer have been?

When I mentioned earlier in the season about luck and the rub of the green playing it's part I remember people saying luck had nothing to do with it.

Don't get me wrong I hope things all of a sudden take a turn for the better (as they say it's the hope that kills you) but the way we keep shooting ourselves in the foot defensively I just can't see it.
Yes I get what you are saying Shed but at the end of August after the draw at Derby we had gone Four games without a win were 19th in the table and already 5 points behind Norwich and 8 off the top, so my question is how many town fans would at that point accepted what we have been given since ? Stats are cobblers and can be dressed up any way you want to dress them.

Well as Mick has often said the only table that matters is the one after all games have been played on the 2nd May.

All I know is imo if we are not in the playoffs having been in the position we were in at the beginning of this year the season will have been a big disapointment regardless how we try to gloss over it.

Post by **marko69** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:39 pm

I think the phrase, "everyone would have accepted 7th prior to the season starting" needs to be flushed away down the toilet now. It's that very phrase that is causing slight friction among fans across a few forums.
Prior to the season starting, no one knew what was going to happen....., so obviously 7th was going to be an improvement. The fact is, the club has experienced the dizzy heights of top spot (for a few hours!) well into the season. Something not experienced for YEARS! So......, to drop BACK DOWN to 7th, (and doing it in style) it's obviously going to be a massive disappointment and seen as a bit of a failing.

Seriously though, "happy with 7th pre season"........, bin that Shyte. It causes problems.

Post by **Bluemike** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:49 pm

Why bin in if its true ?

Post by **marko69** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:51 pm

??? ....., for the reasons explained? No?

Post by **Bluemike** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:08 pm

Is it causing friction ? Serious question.

number 9 · Post by **number 9** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:12 pm

IMHO, accepting 8th after being 2nd is not positive...it's defeatist. We've had plenty of time to accept 8th after the past decade, and now it's time to not accept anything short of promotion. It is time. Therefore, I say trash the phrase and hope for more.

Post by **marko69** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:23 pm

I can't tell if you are missing my point or not, 9. I mean trash the phrase at this particular part of the season.

I think it's causing friction in this sense;

"Total nightmare, the club were 2nd, now we are 7th......."
"Well you would've accepted 7th pre season......."
"Yeah, but......., anger anger anger......"

Ipswich Towns season has been a bit like hoping for a tenner on the lottery. (The tenner being 7th)
You start out saying, "tenner would be nice"........ Then your first 3 numbers come out. Instantly you want more than a tenner, or the fkn jackpot....., but then the next three numbers are duffers. You are then not so happy with your tenner.

Pretty sure it's more than a tenner for 3 numbers now though!

Post by **Bluemike** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:32 pm

number 9 wrote:IMHO, accepting 8th after being 2nd is not positive...it's defeatist. We've had plenty of time to accept 8th after the past decade, and now it's time to not accept anything short of promotion. It is time. Therefore, I say trash the phrase and hope for more.

Who is accepting 8th ? The opening post is saying stay positive and that the dream is still alive and that we must strive for 6th, no way is that defeatist, to me defeatist are the fans among us who have already written us off, that is defeatist.

number 9 · Post by **number 9** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:42 pm

marko69 wrote:I can't tell if you are missing my point or not, 9. I mean trash the phrase at this particular part of the season.

I think it's causing friction in this sense;

"Total nightmare, the club were 2nd, now we are 7th......."
"Well you would've accepted 7th pre season......."
"Yeah, but......., anger anger anger......"

Ipswich Towns season has been a bit like hoping for a tenner on the lottery. (The tenner being 7th)
You start out saying, "tenner would be nice"........ Then your first 3 numbers come out. Instantly you want more than a tenner, or the fkn jackpot....., but then the next three numbers are duffers. You are then not so happy with your tenner.

Pretty sure it's more than a tenner for 3 numbers now though!

Yes, I get your point Marko.

number 9 · Post by **number 9** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:43 pm

bluemike wrote:
number 9 wrote:IMHO, accepting 8th after being 2nd is not positive...it's defeatist. We've had plenty of time to accept 8th after the past decade, and now it's time to not accept anything short of promotion. It is time. Therefore, I say trash the phrase and hope for more.
Who is accepting 8th ? The opening post is saying stay positive and that the dream is still alive and that we must strive for 6th, no way is that defeatist, to me defeatist are the fans among us who have already written us off, that is defeatist.

Fair enough...

The Odious Mr Rossi · Post by **The Odious Mr Rossi** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:44 pm

marko69 wrote:Anything can happen in the play offs, 9. They are effectively 3 "cup ties".

But I do dread to think of this team in the EPL. But if they made the EPL, pretty sure a few new faces would be kicking off this coming August.

I'm not. I think that if (and its a big if) we ever do achieve promotion, ME will use the funds from the Premier League to recover the £80m or whatever the club owes him, and then look to sell the club asap.

Post by **marko69** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:49 pm

rossi wrote:
marko69 wrote:Anything can happen in the play offs, 9. They are effectively 3 "cup ties".

But I do dread to think of this team in the EPL. But if they made the EPL, pretty sure a few new faces would be kicking off this coming August.
I'm not. I think that if (and its a big if) we ever do achieve promotion, ME will use the funds from the Premier League to recover the £80m or whatever the club owes him, and then look to sell the club asap.

If that were to happen, then the club will have been run by a millionaire "defeatist"!

It's Roy Keane's fault.

number 9 · Post by **number 9** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:54 pm

marko69 wrote:
rossi wrote:
marko69 wrote:Anything can happen in the play offs, 9. They are effectively 3 "cup ties".

But I do dread to think of this team in the EPL. But if they made the EPL, pretty sure a few new faces would be kicking off this coming August.
I'm not. I think that if (and its a big if) we ever do achieve promotion, ME will use the funds from the Premier League to recover the £80m or whatever the club owes him, and then look to sell the club asap.
If that were to happen, then the club will have been run by a millionaire "defeatist"!

It's Roy Keane's fault.

"millionaire defeatist'...nice...quite the oxymoron there Marko you cheeky b*stard!

Post by **Bluemike** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:05 pm

I bet ME would have accepted 7th at the start of the season.

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