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Supporters Not Customers
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:54 pm
by number 9
Just curious if any ITFC fans will be protesting? Ipswich are second highest for ticket prices in the championship. I know we have a lot of debt, but I think ME is ripping everyone off...especially when you look at the quality of players we acquire and the apparent lack of spending. When the Sky money goes into effect for premier league clubs, they could let people in free and still make a profit. I think it's time to regulate the bloody transfer fees and give the fans a break!
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34398908
http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... ounds-game
Re: Supporters Not Customers
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:46 pm
by shabba
'Ripping us off' - well we probably owe him about £80m by now! We wouldn't be anywhere near this competitive without him.
Yes the prices ARE high, but the league is a nightmare financially due to the lack of tv and prize money.
Re: Supporters Not Customers
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:12 pm
by number 9
Rubbish! The fan's don't owe ME anything. ME bought the club knowing full well what the debt was. Will ME owe the fans if we get promoted? Of course not. And how long do we have to keep being so gracious for Evans 'rescuing the club'!? I'm sick of it! Put together a team that challenges for promotion this year, at least.
Re: Supporters Not Customers
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:11 pm
by marko69
Since I have joined this website, the East Anglian adversary has suffered 2 relegations and enjoyed 3 promotions. So I totally understand and agree with you, 9. Do something different ITFC. But don't get relegated!
Re: Supporters Not Customers
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:22 am
by Bluemike
Strangely enough I thought we had put together a side capable of challenging for promotion just as we did last season, I suppose you are only as good as your last result/performance so we are sh*te. We've played 9 games for god sake and are for all intent and puroposes joint 3rd despite not getting out of first gear yet.
As for the cost, yes we are expensive but pinning this at the door of ME is stupid, he has frozen prices nearly every season since he has been here, it was the old guard, the so called nice family run club set up that enforced these prices on the club not the current regime, that is the mess that was adopted and as most people know in business you cannot just suddenly hike down the prices to make everyone happy, it cannot, does not and never will work like that, what ME is trying to do is hold them as much as possible to bring them into line with others, this takes a long long time.
On the one hand people moan about lack of spending and on the other they moan about the prices, if the revenue is not coming through the door then how can you spend it ? Which do people want because you can't have both. personally I think they have done a fantastic job in curbing the lossess year on year while at least trying to entice players to the club that will demand decent wages while at the same time keep us competitive in the right area of the table, it is a bloody hard balancing act, people ought to go try it and see how you get on.
Me personally, I am well happy with what I pay for my weekly football, less than £19 per game by having a season ticket, I accept some arent able to do it due to work commitments and location etc but those who are local and who pick and choose games need to get a season ticket because even if you can't always go you can sell it on those weeks and recoup some of your money, I know people who do it.
Re: Supporters Not Customers
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:02 pm
by number 9
Yeah Mike, I hear what you're saying but it's the same old drivel mate. ME has billions, so I'm not too concerned about the financial sacrifices he's made to 'save our club'. How does our debt compare to other clubs debt? Some of those clubs are still investing substantial amounts for transfers. I'm not saying we should spend millions, I just think we can afford a better quality player. Furthermore, when you say we have to bring in money to spend money...funny I'd say 8mil is a pretty nice profit on a 10k investment. If someone can't see that then they are stupid. We may have made the playoffs last year, but it was quite apparent we weren't good enough to beat Norwich. How many opposing fans comment about how shyte we are? When I say challenge for promotion, I mean play good quality football. If ME is as smart as you think he is, why wouldn't he make sure his investment in the club leads to promotion and bigger profit? If that's his goal, he's certainly taking his time.
Re: Supporters Not Customers
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:25 pm
by Bluemike
It's not the same old drivel, its fact. Our debt is probably only beaten by QPR and Bolton, I am not too sure of any others that owe more than the 86 Million we owe and I dont see Bolton spending much, QPR as we all know have flouted with the rules etc and seem to be a law unto themselves. 8 Million is as yopu say a good bit of business but unfortunatley most forget the substantial wages we pay at this club, it comes from somewhere, ME can't just dip into his pocket every week for that too, he pays up 5 million year on year just to keep the club afloat but I suppose 5 million is small change to some, lucky them. It was only apparent we werent good enough to beat Norwich through one moment of madness which cost us a game that to those of us that we were there will testify to the fact we had been the better team but that is all in the past.
I don't quite get the point about opposing fans saying we are shyte ? Of course they do, we pretty much say it about most teams even before we play them, some on here look at the opposition and see it as a case of just turning up to win, we shouldnt have dropped points to Bristol City because so far this season they have been shyte, I even say it myself, it doesn't work like that at all. I really don't think we should concern ourselves with what other teams fans are saying, most of them are a bit slow to say the least.
Playing good qualtiy football does not guarantee promotion or even challenging for it, just look at Arsenal for the last god knows how many years, 4th at best is hardly successful, this is a different discussion altogether with regards to the quality of football. How can ME or anyone "Make Sure" of promotion ? It is a competition where everyone is striving for the same goal, if that is the case why didnt Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs etc make sure of the title last season ? I firmly believe ME's goal is to get us to the Premier League, why wouldnt he want it ? Unfortunately he was a novice at this game when he got involved and took advice from respected people in the game who were instrumental in the appointments of the likes of Magilton, Keane & Jewell, three twats that took us nowhere while in charge, and all this with spending the big money you crave we spend now, it achieved nothing and puit us further in debt.
Marcus Evans is not a Billionaire for nothing, he is smarter than you or I for sure, I am happy that at long last our club is on a sounder footing and being run correctly after years of abuse from the top, I am glad we are rebuilding our academy and are seeing a crop of very good youngsters appearing again, I am glad we are able to entice very good footballers to this club after years of being told by the aforementioned twats that players wouldn't come here, I am glad we are not wasting millions we don't have on players in the hope they come off (Tamas Priskin, Paul Taylor etc) and I am glad we have a manager who as frustrating as he can be has us competing at the top end of this division rather than floating around the middle of it.
Re: Supporters Not Customers
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:00 pm
by number 9
I thought most of our debt came from our stadium expansion? Yes, Arsenal play attractive football and they've been in the premier league for how long? Like I said in my previous post, I don't think we should spend millions...I just think we could be bringing in better quality players. Yes, quality football doesn't guarantee promotion...but it certainly helps. It also puts bums in the seats which brings in more revenue.
Look Mike, I don't want to beat a dead horse here. I'm thankful ME purchased the club; however, I'm very concerned that ITFC will never be promoted. There's still plenty of time for improvement, but based on the season so far I'm not impressed with the team or our style of play. We should be better than last year. And if we don't get better, we will be floating around in the middle of it.
Just like thousands of other fans, I guess we'll just have to be patient for another year...at least.
Re: Supporters Not Customers
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:31 pm
by The Odious Mr Rossi
bluemike wrote:Strangely enough I thought we had put together a side capable of challenging for promotion just as we did last season, I suppose you are only as good as your last result/performance so we are sh*te. We've played 9 games for god sake and are for all intent and puroposes joint 3rd despite not getting out of first gear yet.
As for the cost, yes we are expensive but pinning this at the door of ME is stupid, he has frozen prices nearly every season since he has been here, it was the old guard, the so called nice family run club set up that enforced these prices on the club not the current regime, that is the mess that was adopted and as most people know in business you cannot just suddenly hike down the prices to make everyone happy, it cannot, does not and never will work like that, what ME is trying to do is hold them as much as possible to bring them into line with others, this takes a long long time.
On the one hand people moan about lack of spending and on the other they moan about the prices, if the revenue is not coming through the door then how can you spend it ? Which do people want because you can't have both. personally I think they have done a fantastic job in curbing the lossess year on year while at least trying to entice players to the club that will demand decent wages while at the same time keep us competitive in the right area of the table, it is a bloody hard balancing act, people ought to go try it and see how you get on.
Me personally, I am well happy with what I pay for my weekly football, less than £19 per game by having a season ticket, I accept some arent able to do it due to work commitments and location etc but those who are local and who pick and choose games need to get a season ticket because even if you can't always go you can sell it on those weeks and recoup some of your money, I know people who do it.
Actually, to all intent and purposes we're 8th, not joint third. If the season ended now, we would not make the play-offs. We might have the same number of points as the team in third, but we're 8th because the shambolic defence that continues to go un-addressed has led to us having the worst goal-difference of all the teams on 15 points.
As to your saying we havn't even got out of first gear yet - how do you know that? I'm worried we might just have started the season in top gear and are now changing-down so to speak.
Re: Supporters Not Customers
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:02 pm
by Bluemike
The defence has been shambolic, only a fool would argue with that but as for the rest, well the proof will be in the pudding so to speak, its the old glass half empty/half full conundrum, we've played 9 games and lost only 2 so it's not a disaster by any means, if and when MM gets the defence tighter as I am sure he will I believe we will be just fine. Time will tell.
Re: Supporters Not Customers
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:15 pm
by hallamblue
Time is ond thinv all Town managers have been given. I dobt see that changing. What disappoints me is Micks reluctance to change the obvious square pegs in round holes in the team. Today we had out best players , most creative players all sat on the bench. So if he was going for a better defensive display this tactic has failed miserably. Why? Because we havent invested in good enough quality in defence and we STILL don't have a proper right back. Just when the f...... is this going go be put right?
I had a text from a friend who was at the game today and their comment was the defence was a shambles, and the players looked very tired.
The last point rang alarm bells tbh, as this is exactly how I would have described out performance at PR after the Man Utd cup game, except that MM had made 11 changes! So whybthe somvery kack lustre performances?
I can only conclude that the players morale is low. Are things ok behind the scenes at PR? I start to question this when the performances are so under par after just 9 games.
Re: Supporters Not Customers
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:49 pm
by karlywoo
I,m no football pundit, expert or whatever but we seem to be having lack lustre performances, week in week out, not too dissimular to a certain club up the A140, like us they had the players, expectations were high, "this is our year hopes" but they did not do the business until a certain little scotch guy came in, within weeks the same players that could not put a set of passes together came good, and now where are they?
I question wether its the man at the reins which is the problem, we all have questioned certain team selections, formations,. tactics, substitutions etc, as being our problem, when MM was appointed i was disappointed as i was really hoping for our Mr Hollaway, great manager, says it how it is! and a proven track record, christ if he can get the lot from Bloomfield rd up there for a while the mans a miracle worker!, ok said my bit which is unusual for me!!
Re: Supporters Not Customers
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:46 pm
by arana peligrosa
karlywoo wrote:I,m no football pundit, expert or whatever but we seem to be having lack lustre performances, week in week out, not too dissimular to a certain club up the A140, like us they had the players, expectations were high, "this is our year hopes" but they did not do the business until a certain little scotch guy came in, within weeks the same players that could not put a set of passes together came good, and now where are they?
I question wether its the man at the reins which is the problem, we all have questioned certain team selections, formations,. tactics, substitutions etc, as being our problem, when MM was appointed i was disappointed as i was really hoping for our Mr Hollaway, great manager, says it how it is! and a proven track record, christ if he can get the lot from Bloomfield rd up there for a while the mans a miracle worker!, ok said my bit which is unusual for me!!
When McCarthy was appointed you felt (with his previous endeavors) that something could be achieved - which it has - but it's the end product that's all important. Worth saying again our manager perhaps seems better than he actually is due to the crap we had to endure before him i.e. Roy Keane / Paul Jewell. (In other words McCarthy is simply the best of a (recent) bad lot)
He's responsible for the team selection, tactics, and motivation and there's been too many instances now where doubts have steadily increased. I think it's a case of some managers may be a hit at some clubs, and fail elsewhere. (Lambert is a prime example)
Don't wish him any harm, he's a decent enough individual with a detailed and expansive resume, but as before, what may work at one club, may not be effective at another. Time will be the deciding factor.
Re: Supporters Not Customers
Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:05 am
by karlywoo
saint jude wrote:karlywoo wrote:I,m no football pundit, expert or whatever but we seem to be having lack lustre performances, week in week out, not too dissimular to a certain club up the A140, like us they had the players, expectations were high, "this is our year hopes" but they did not do the business until a certain little scotch guy came in, within weeks the same players that could not put a set of passes together came good, and now where are they?
I question wether its the man at the reins which is the problem, we all have questioned certain team selections, formations,. tactics, substitutions etc, as being our problem, when MM was appointed i was disappointed as i was really hoping for our Mr Hollaway, great manager, says it how it is! and a proven track record, christ if he can get the lot from Bloomfield rd up there for a while the mans a miracle worker!, ok said my bit which is unusual for me!!
When McCarthy was appointed you felt (with his previous endeavors) that something could be achieved - which it has - but it's the end product that's all important. Worth saying again our manager perhaps seems better than he actually is due to the crap we had to endure before him i.e. Roy Keane / Paul Jewell. (In other words McCarthy is simply the best of a (recent) bad lot)
As least Holly would have given us something to smile about!
He's responsible for the team selection, tactics, and motivation and there's been too many instances now where doubts have steadily increased. I think it's a case of some managers may be a hit at some clubs, and fail elsewhere. (Lambert is a prime example)
Don't wish him any harm, he's a decent enough individual with a detailed and expansive resume, but as before, what may work at one club, may not be effective at another. Time will be the deciding factor.