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Just a thought, but if our Board are ambitious surely they have to consider If MM's job at Portman Road is over and done and it's time to pay him off and move on.

He's stabilised the club and put it on a more professional footing after being in decline for quite a few years but his style of football is "old hat" and unlikely to see the club progress.

For me it's time to bring in a modern manager who's prepared to take risks on the pitch and play more exciting and entertaining football.

I know some people find change uncomfortable and don't like taking risks, but without it we're stuck with mid table mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

Well that should generate an interesting discussion unless like Mr Punch suggests we put 5 past Bolton tonight and start Bluemike's winning streak.

Charnwood wrote:Just a thought, but if our Board are ambitious surely they have to consider If MM's job at Portman Road is over and done and it's time to pay him off and move on.

He's stabilised the club and put it on a more professional footing after being in decline for quite a few years but his style of football is "old hat" and unlikely to see the club progress.

For me it's time to bring in a modern manager who's prepared to take risks on the pitch and play more exciting and entertaining football.

I know some people find change uncomfortable and don't like taking risks, but without it we're stuck with mid table mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

Well that should generate an interesting discussion unless like Mr Punch suggests we put 5 past Bolton tonight and start Bluemike's winning streak.

I think that my thoughts on this are well known. They were my thoughts 3 years ago and havn't changed a bit.

Who do you have in mind, Charnwood? Is there a "modern" thinking manager ready to start should Mick get canned tonight at half 9?

Mark Warburton, Simples, Bloody good track record for playing good footie, not Hoof ball (fact) Brentford & The Gers

Give MM & TC to the end of the season, if the play offs at minimum has not been achieved, then maybe it would have to be looked at. But be careful what you wish for. Remember the so called messiah Bell end Keane?

I'd be happy to see a change.

ashfordblue wrote:Mark Warburton, Simples, Bloody good track record for playing good footie, not Hoof ball (fact) Brentford & The Gers

Marky Boy and his Teddy Bears couldn't stop wee Jase on Sunday.........

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VwNfjJgbRm4

For the record, I didn't think Rangers were all that good. A big group of cheating, diving bastards. I suppose the Glasgow gits have always been guilty of that but they seemed to be "at it" more than usual. Not sure if that's the "Warburton" touch or not.

derick_ipsw wrote:But be careful what you wish for. Remember the so called messiah Bell end Keane?

Yep, very true.

Won't get this time back, but how long did those in authority stick with Jewell and / or Keane at this club ? Too damn long if memory serves. Both names were allowed to carry on with their inept management much longer than many desired and while a new name (or at least someone capable) could have been introduced, valuable weeks and months were wasted while the two aforementioned names went from one disaster to another.

Can't see much difference here. The board are too goddamn obstinate to (once again) make any changes when just about everyone (else) involved can see action needs to be taken.

Best guess would be McCarthy is allowed to carry on despite this poor season thus far, simply due to our play-off achievement of earlier this year. Even then we were well beaten by Norwich over two games, but a top six finish was still commendable.

If the above is to be duplicated once more (i.e. another play-off opportunity) then changes need to be made in the immediate future. Problem is, in all probability there'll be prolonged sitting around with little done by those in charge while the manager continues to blunder, even if the recent poor run were to continue.

It's not just McCarthy that requires a kick in the as*

derick_ipsw wrote:Give MM & TC to the end of the season, if the play offs at minimum has not been achieved, then maybe it would have to be looked at. But be careful what you wish for. Remember the so called messiah Bell end Keane?

Derick and I havent always seen eye to eye but exactly this !!!!

I really cannot help but think any talk of a change is utter madness and totally knee jerk after what is in reality our first really bad run under MM & TC, Rossi aside, who has made his feelings known from the off and has stuck to them, everyone else does really appear to be panicking and at this moment in time for nothing. I grant you the football is not the prettiest, it never will be under MM but not a lot was being said about that when we were doing well, it only takes a couple of wins to turn the tide, we have done it before and we will do it again. I am still totally confident we will be in or very close to the top Six come next May.

Sometimes we must, as hard as it is, look beyond JUST what happens on the field of play, MM has turned the whole standing of the club around and along with ME now runs the club the right way and within our means, it doesn't sit well with many fans because we cannot splash the cash as they would like it but I am afraid that is tough, if it takes us longer to realise or dreams then so be it, better to have a club than not. As Derick say's, BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.

Can't understand why the underlying "Mick out" campaign is gaining momentum so quickly. Let the Bolton fixture be played first, it'll definitely be a good marker as to where this season "could" be heading. I seriously doubt it'll be heading in the direction that some fear.

I think having RK & PJ's names being mentioned in the same sentences is a bit of an insult to Mick & TC. Fairly confident Mick has forgotten more than those two combined actually "know".

Big game tonight. Looking forward to it. Hopefully plenty reports on Sky news due to many ITFC goals.

marko69 wrote:Can't understand why the underlying "Mick out" campaign is gaining momentum so quickly. Let the Bolton fixture be played first, it'll definitely be a good marker as to where this season "could" be heading. I seriously doubt it'll be heading in the direction that some fear.

I think having RK & PJ's names being mentioned in the same sentences is a bit of an insult to Mick & TC. Fairly confident Mick has forgotten more than those two combined actually "know".

Big game tonight. Looking forward to it. Hopefully plenty reports on Sky news due to many ITFC goals.

I can't either Marko, I have to say I am pretty shocked, but it seesm to be the way a large percentage of Town fans go these days, if they were around in the old days they would have been calling for Robson's head a lot sooner than this.

bluemike wrote:

derick_ipsw wrote:Give MM & TC to the end of the season, if the play offs at minimum has not been achieved, then maybe it would have to be looked at. But be careful what you wish for. Remember the so called messiah Bell end Keane?

Derick and I havent always seen eye to eye but exactly this !!!!

I really cannot help but think any talk of a change is utter madness and totally knee jerk after what is in reality our first really bad run under MM & TC, Rossi aside, who has made his feelings known from the off and has stuck to them, everyone else does really appear to be panicking and at this moment in time for nothing. I grant you the football is not the prettiest, it never will be under MM but not a lot was being said about that when we were doing well, it only takes a couple of wins to turn the tide, we have done it before and we will do it again. I am still totally confident we will be in or very close to the top Six come next May.

Sometimes we must, as hard as it is, look beyond JUST what happens on the field of play, MM has turned the whole standing of the club around and along with ME now runs the club the right way and within our means, it doesn't sit well with many fans because we cannot splash the cash as they would like it but I am afraid that is tough, if it takes us longer to realise or dreams then so be it, better to have a club than not. As Derick say's, BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.

Thank you Mike.

Unless we fall into a relegation battle, I think MM should be given 'til the end of the year at least to improve the situation. He did it once before, so there's no reason why he won't turn things around again. With that said, I think it may be prudent for the Board to begin looking at replacements sooner rather than later. There should also be a plan in place to react in case of a relegation battle.

I know throwing money at the current situation isn't going to guarantee a turn-around, but I'll be very interested to see what if any transfer activity occurs in the January window. I think now would certainly be the most justified time during MM's tenure for ME to dish out a bit of cash. I can only hope the Scouts have been made aware of this and are diligently combing the market for possible additions.

marko69 wrote:Who do you have in mind, Charnwood? Is there a "modern" thinking manager ready to start should Mick get canned tonight at half 9?

I have nobody in mind Marko in fact I'm not even sure where I stand as I really appreciate the stability MM has brought to ITFC although I have to admit I am frustrated by the lack of progres.

I just thought it was a good topic for discussion and interesting to see what others think.

bluemike wrote:

derick_ipsw wrote:Give MM & TC to the end of the season, if the play offs at minimum has not been achieved, then maybe it would have to be looked at. But be careful what you wish for. Remember the so called messiah Bell end Keane?

Derick and I havent always seen eye to eye but exactly this !!!!

I really cannot help but think any talk of a change is utter madness and totally knee jerk after what is in reality our first really bad run under MM & TC, Rossi aside, who has made his feelings known from the off and has stuck to them, everyone else does really appear to be panicking and at this moment in time for nothing. I grant you the football is not the prettiest, it never will be under MM but not a lot was being said about that when we were doing well, it only takes a couple of wins to turn the tide, we have done it before and we will do it again. I am still totally confident we will be in or very close to the top Six come next May.

Sometimes we must, as hard as it is, look beyond JUST what happens on the field of play, MM has turned the whole standing of the club around and along with ME now runs the club the right way and within our means, it doesn't sit well with many fans because we cannot splash the cash as they would like it but I am afraid that is tough, if it takes us longer to realise or dreams then so be it, better to have a club than not. As Derick say's, BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.

We are not all panicking Mike, my thread last week said the way forward was not to get rid of the manager. Having said that, MM is not above criticism and I think he has deserved some of what has been thrown at him as a result of his sometimes dubious tactics, stubborness and inane comments about fans.

But is he the man for the job? Of course he is, of that there is no doubt.

Give them this season and if mid table yet again , i think a change should be made..it,s not the results it,s the dire utter sh*te we have to watch and pay for..it,s meant to be entertaining..and quite simply it is not the majority of the time..I can,t see ME putting money on the table to improve the squad (would still like to know what happened the the Wickham / Creswell / Mings money..as dont believe the wages bollocks for one second with players in V players out) , and i can,t see MM changing his ways..so as above if mid table move on from MM as he will take us no further imo..and we are not limited to looking at English / UK mangers go European or wider if need be.

larrylamb wrote:Give them this season and if mid table yet again , i think a change should be made..it,s not the results it,s the dire utter sh*te we have to watch and pay for..it,s meant to be entertaining..and quite simply it is not the majority of the time..I can,t see ME putting money on the table to improve the squad (would still like to know what happened the the Wickham / Creswell / Mings money..as dont believe the wages bollocks for one second with players in V players out) , and i can,t see MM changing his ways..so as above if mid table move on from MM as he will take us no further imo..and we are not limited to looking at English / UK mangers go European or wider if need be.

Nobody HAS to watch or pay for anything.

bluemike wrote:

larrylamb wrote:Give them this season and if mid table yet again , i think a change should be made..it,s not the results it,s the dire utter sh*te we have to watch and pay for..it,s meant to be entertaining..and quite simply it is not the majority of the time..I can,t see ME putting money on the table to improve the squad (would still like to know what happened the the Wickham / Creswell / Mings money..as dont believe the wages bollocks for one second with players in V players out) , and i can,t see MM changing his ways..so as above if mid table move on from MM as he will take us no further imo..and we are not limited to looking at English / UK mangers go European or wider if need be.

Nobody HAS to watch or pay for anything.

You may not have to watch, but if you've paid in advance for a season ticket it's a bit of a waste of money not too, and surely don't we all just expect next week to be a little better.

I guess those that stayed away last night now wish they'd made the effort...

Be careful what you wish for. We could do a LOT worse than MM in my humble opionin

nicscreamer wrote:Be careful what you wish for. We could do a LOT worse than MM in my humble opionin

Yes, but we could do a lot better also

Don't bother to request names, you know damn well there's others out there that could improve the team or put us (back) on course where we could have a better opportunity to actually achieve something. Yesterdays win was a relief - if not imperative - but as before, it's come after a very poor sequence of results and performances that have caused significant damage to the teams season (already at this early stage) and in all probability we're looking at missing out on the play-offs this time around and being an upper / mid-table club by end of season.

Saw something in another thread where if you say anything negative about the manager or the teams prospects you get accused of troll-type behavior, but it's all about the good of the club and achieving something this league has to offer and remain steadfast that with our manager right now we're not going to make necessary (or sufficient) progress.

As before it's not a personal thing, there isn't any real animosity towards the individual concerned, I (or we) only want to see this club going places once again i.e. getting out of this damn league for the first instance in some 14 years, and remain resolute that if that is to occur, then a change of management will eventually be required.

saint jude wrote:

nicscreamer wrote:Be careful what you wish for. We could do a LOT worse than MM in my humble opionin

Yes, but we could do a lot better also

Don't bother to request names, you know damn well there's others out there that could improve the team or put us (back) on course where we could have a better opportunity to actually achieve something. Yesterdays win was a relief - if not imperative - but as before, it's come after a very poor sequence of results and performances that have caused significant damage to the teams season (already at this early stage) and in all probability we're looking at missing out on the play-offs this time around and being an upper / mid-table club by end of season.

Saw something in another thread where if you say anything negative about the manager or the teams prospects you get accused of troll-type behavior, but it's all about the good of the club and achieving something this league has to offer and remain steadfast that with our manager right now we're not going to make necessary (or sufficient) progress.

As before it's not a personal thing, there isn't any real animosity towards the individual concerned, I (or we) only want to see this club going places once again i.e. getting out of this damn league for the first instance in some 14 years, and remain resolute that if that is to occur, then a change of management will eventually be required.

I'm sorry St Jude bit I can't agree with you. Firstly, I think we owe MM some loyalty (not common in football) for what he has achieved and done for the club since he first arrived. He deserves respect for that if nothing else.

I still think the problem is with owner for not releasing sufficient funds for MM to recruit two or three quality players. You can only go so far with journeymen and freebies and this is being shown in our performances this season and has highlighted the fact that we over-performed last season.

MM has performed wonders for you so far Mr Evans, now dig into your pocket and give him the money to finish tbe job.

barmy billy wrote:

saint jude wrote:

nicscreamer wrote:Be careful what you wish for. We could do a LOT worse than MM in my humble opionin

Yes, but we could do a lot better also

Don't bother to request names, you know damn well there's others out there that could improve the team or put us (back) on course where we could have a better opportunity to actually achieve something. Yesterdays win was a relief - if not imperative - but as before, it's come after a very poor sequence of results and performances that have caused significant damage to the teams season (already at this early stage) and in all probability we're looking at missing out on the play-offs this time around and being an upper / mid-table club by end of season.

Saw something in another thread where if you say anything negative about the manager or the teams prospects you get accused of troll-type behavior, but it's all about the good of the club and achieving something this league has to offer and remain steadfast that with our manager right now we're not going to make necessary (or sufficient) progress.

As before it's not a personal thing, there isn't any real animosity towards the individual concerned, I (or we) only want to see this club going places once again i.e. getting out of this damn league for the first instance in some 14 years, and remain resolute that if that is to occur, then a change of management will eventually be required.

I'm sorry St Jude bit I can't agree with you. Firstly, I think we owe MM some loyalty (not common in football) for what he has achieved and done for the club since he first arrived. He deserves respect for that if nothing else.I still think the problem is with owner for not releasing sufficient funds for MM to recruit two or three quality players. You can only go so far with journeymen and freebies and this is being shown in our performances this season and has highlighted the fact that we over-performed last season.

MM has performed wonders for you so far Mr Evans, now dig into your pocket and give him the money to finish tbe job.

I have highlighted two points. 1st I agree with, 2nd I don't, unfortunately if MM had the money Jewel and Keane wasted then maybe he would not be working on the budget he is!! Just a thought.

bluemike wrote:

marko69 wrote:Can't understand why the underlying "Mick out" campaign is gaining momentum so quickly. Let the Bolton fixture be played first, it'll definitely be a good marker as to where this season "could" be heading. I seriously doubt it'll be heading in the direction that some fear.

I think having RK & PJ's names being mentioned in the same sentences is a bit of an insult to Mick & TC. Fairly confident Mick has forgotten more than those two combined actually "know".

Big game tonight. Looking forward to it. Hopefully plenty reports on Sky news due to many ITFC goals.

I can't either Marko, I have to say I am pretty shocked, but it seesm to be the way a large percentage of Town fans go these days, if they were around in the old days they would have been calling for Robson's head a lot sooner than this.

Words of wisdom there Marco and Mike, we had the same posts from our fans on Mick and Clipboard, how they now wish Mick and co were still at the Mol. and Town fans should remember Mick never asked or applied to be the Town manager. your chairman asked him.
Keep the Faith. he can only work with what the club can afford

goldandblack wrote:

bluemike wrote:

marko69 wrote:Can't understand why the underlying "Mick out" campaign is gaining momentum so quickly. Let the Bolton fixture be played first, it'll definitely be a good marker as to where this season "could" be heading. I seriously doubt it'll be heading in the direction that some fear.

I think having RK & PJ's names being mentioned in the same sentences is a bit of an insult to Mick & TC. Fairly confident Mick has forgotten more than those two combined actually "know".

Big game tonight. Looking forward to it. Hopefully plenty reports on Sky news due to many ITFC goals.

I can't either Marko, I have to say I am pretty shocked, but it seesm to be the way a large percentage of Town fans go these days, if they were around in the old days they would have been calling for Robson's head a lot sooner than this.

Words of wisdom there Marco and Mike, we had the same posts from our fans on Mick and Clipboard, how they now wish Mick and co were still at the Mol. and Town fans should remember Mick never asked or applied to be the Town manager. your chairman asked him.
Keep the Faith. he can only work with what the club can afford

The thing with many fans G&B is that they think as soon as you ship a good manager out we can wheel in one that they think would do a good job, it's as if they are there waiting to walk into ITFC LOL, as some of us know only too well it doesnt work like that.

MM will without doubt get us promoted.....As for him being right to lead us and keep us in the modern game in the prem,Im not convinced. One needs to be hungry for success and want to win things....Im not so sure MM in his later years wants it anymore.

saint jude wrote:

nicscreamer wrote:Be careful what you wish for. We could do a LOT worse than MM in my humble opionin

Yes, but we could do a lot better also

Don't bother to request names, you know damn well there's others out there that could improve the team or put us (back) on course where we could have a better opportunity to actually achieve something. Yesterdays win was a relief - if not imperative - but as before, it's come after a very poor sequence of results and performances that have caused significant damage to the teams season (already at this early stage) and in all probability we're looking at missing out on the play-offs this time around and being an upper / mid-table club by end of season.

Saw something in another thread where if you say anything negative about the manager or the teams prospects you get accused of troll-type behavior, but it's all about the good of the club and achieving something this league has to offer and remain steadfast that with our manager right now we're not going to make necessary (or sufficient) progress.

As before it's not a personal thing, there isn't any real animosity towards the individual concerned, I (or we) only want to see this club going places once again i.e. getting out of this damn league for the first instance in some 14 years, and remain resolute that if that is to occur, then a change of management will eventually be required.

Actually, I don't know of anyone out there who is currently available that would fill this criteria. Please let me know who they are. I certainly don't think MM is the new messiah, but hes a solid professional honest hard working chap, who has certainly turned the ship around. He deserves better from us fans than cries for his head after 1/4 of the season.

May get verbals for this but I think there are many who are brainwashed into thinking only the Mourinhos of this world can compete in the EPL. It's all about cash with these fuckers. Mourinho, pellegrini, LVG etc etc. Wenger has spent many millions and he's essentially won f*ck all really, given the length of time he's been there. These are the twats that'd get ITFC relegated from the Championship with the way Mevans runs the show because they only know the "cash". A guy like Mick McCarthy hasn't really been given the enormous chance to manage one of the "Big 4 or 5 or whatever" (who gives a sh*t) Who's here to say confidently that Mick McCarthy couldn't have won a couple of EPL's with the Gunners had he been in charge? Sunderland & Wolves? Mickey Mouse teams compared to the upper end, (apologies in advance Wolfie)

Sir Alex is probably the only manager, in the modern game, who has proved that it can be done without the need for piles of cash. He won a European trophy with names in the team that no one had heard of. Sir Bobby before him, winning honours without the need for cash and Jock Stein, Bill Shankly before that. Mick has that chance with ITFC to prove he can do it. LnP said he has "no doubt"......., ok I have some doubt, but I genuinely do not think there is anybody better out there for ITFC at this moment in time.

This "modern" manager? It's all bollocks. I would have Chelsea higher up that f**king league than Mourinho. His cash stars ain't performing? Fkn checkmate for pricks like him, Pellegrini, LVG, Ancelotti.

nicscreamer wrote:

saint jude wrote:

nicscreamer wrote:Be careful what you wish for. We could do a LOT worse than MM in my humble opionin

Yes, but we could do a lot better also

Don't bother to request names, you know damn well there's others out there that could improve the team or put us (back) on course where we could have a better opportunity to actually achieve something. Yesterdays win was a relief - if not imperative - but as before, it's come after a very poor sequence of results and performances that have caused significant damage to the teams season (already at this early stage) and in all probability we're looking at missing out on the play-offs this time around and being an upper / mid-table club by end of season.

Saw something in another thread where if you say anything negative about the manager or the teams prospects you get accused of troll-type behavior, but it's all about the good of the club and achieving something this league has to offer and remain steadfast that with our manager right now we're not going to make necessary (or sufficient) progress.

As before it's not a personal thing, there isn't any real animosity towards the individual concerned, I (or we) only want to see this club going places once again i.e. getting out of this damn league for the first instance in some 14 years, and remain resolute that if that is to occur, then a change of management will eventually be required.

Actually, I don't know of anyone out there who is currently available that would fill this criteria. Please let me know who they are. I certainly don't think MM is the new messiah, but hes a solid professional honest hard working chap, who has certainly turned the ship around. He deserves better from us fans than cries for his head after 1/4 of the season.

Absolutely spot on, I too would like to know who they are, it's all well and good plucking a name out of thin air like say Warburton but no fore thought is put into the many questions and dilemmas that come with it, firstly he is already in a job, secondly would he want to come here, could he work with ME, could ME work with him, etc etc etc, the list is endless.

I can't stop laughing every time I read the question "could Burley or Royle still do a job for us" I mean really ?? Yesterday's men by some distance, the game has moved on, loved them both but come on for god sake. In actual fact I would like to spin the argument around, someone asked how good a job Royle would do with this squad and the feeling I believe was that he would do better than MM, I would take a bet he would not have made the play offs last season, I would also bet if MM had had a squad consisting of the likes of Darren Bent etc he WOULD have got promotion without the need for the cash that many feel cost Royle's team promotion.

Most importantly of all, yes MM does deserve better than the foolish calls for change after what 15 games ?

nicscreamer wrote:

saint jude wrote:

nicscreamer wrote:Be careful what you wish for. We could do a LOT worse than MM in my humble opionin

Yes, but we could do a lot better also

Don't bother to request names, you know damn well there's others out there that could improve the team or put us (back) on course where we could have a better opportunity to actually achieve something. Yesterdays win was a relief - if not imperative - but as before, it's come after a very poor sequence of results and performances that have caused significant damage to the teams season (already at this early stage) and in all probability we're looking at missing out on the play-offs this time around and being an upper / mid-table club by end of season.

Saw something in another thread where if you say anything negative about the manager or the teams prospects you get accused of troll-type behavior, but it's all about the good of the club and achieving something this league has to offer and remain steadfast that with our manager right now we're not going to make necessary (or sufficient) progress.

As before it's not a personal thing, there isn't any real animosity towards the individual concerned, I (or we) only want to see this club going places once again i.e. getting out of this damn league for the first instance in some 14 years, and remain resolute that if that is to occur, then a change of management will eventually be required.

Actually, I don't know of anyone out there who is currently available that would fill this criteria. Please let me know who they are. I certainly don't think MM is the new messiah, but hes a solid professional honest hard working chap, who has certainly turned the ship around. He deserves better from us fans than cries for his head after 1/4 of the season.

I Recon Kenny Coat will soon be getting his Jacket or is that Kenny Jacket will soon be getting his coat. and heading south. whichever I'd swap with Sir Mick coming home.