All This Talk Of

[Shed on tour]

It's time for Mick to go.
Whatever your thoughts on MM and his management and the style of football he seems to want the team to play can you really see him leaving the club in the near future? I can't see Evans getting rid of him that quickly after extending his contract and also judging by how long he gave Keane and Jewell before they were axed. I might be wrong but I would also imagine Mick is one of the highest paid managers in the division.
I think Mick will still be here for quite a while yet unless he decides to go himself which imo is unlikely.

[Bluemike]

I dont think MM should be going anywhere, what he shouyld be doing is changing his bloody stubborn and set in his ways approach because he is still the best that we can expect to entice here given our budgets etc. I know it gets on peoples nerves when you ask this but just who do people think we can go out and get as our next manager that is (a) available (B) would want to come and most importantly (c) have us challenging at the right end with no money to spend ?? It just isnt going to happen unless you pluck a young up and coming boss out of the lower leagues which would be a massive and potentially expensive gamble, no thanks.

[Shed on tour]

I dont think MM should be going anywhere, what he shouyld be doing is changing his bloody stubborn and set in his ways approach because he is still the best that we can expect to entice here given our budgets etc. I know it gets on peoples nerves when you ask this but just who do people think we can go out and get as our next manager that is (a) available (B) would want to come and most importantly (c) have us challenging at the right end with no money to spend ?? It just isnt going to happen unless you pluck a young up and coming boss out of the lower leagues which would be a massive and potentially expensive gamble, no thanks.

Mike
Can you really see him doing this though? I think Mick is a stubborn bugger and the more he hears criticism of his team selection and tactics the more likely he is to stick by them to try and prove people wrong.
Admittedly he has said that he got yesterday's starting lineup wrong, which with regards to the midfield I think nearly all the Town supporters in the ground could have told him that beforehand, but the thing that concerned me was he also said he thought we played well against Blackburn.
I just don't know where he got that opinion from because for me and many others at the game it just wasn't the case.

[Bluemike]

I dont think MM should be going anywhere, what he shouyld be doing is changing his bloody stubborn and set in his ways approach because he is still the best that we can expect to entice here given our budgets etc. I know it gets on peoples nerves when you ask this but just who do people think we can go out and get as our next manager that is (a) available (B) would want to come and most importantly (c) have us challenging at the right end with no money to spend ?? It just isnt going to happen unless you pluck a young up and coming boss out of the lower leagues which would be a massive and potentially expensive gamble, no thanks.

Mike
Can you really see him doing this though? I think Mick is a stubborn bugger and the more he hears criticism of his team selection and tactics the more likely he is to stick by them to try and prove people wrong.
Admittedly he has said that he got yesterday's starting lineup wrong, which with regards to the midfield I think nearly all the Town supporters in the ground could have told him that beforehand, but the thing that concerned me was he also said he thought we played well against Blackburn.
I just don't know where he got that opinion from because for me and many others at the game it just wasn't the case.

I don't think he believes we played well against Blackburn at all, I think it is a classic case of him defending his players to the hilt.

[number 9]

I agree Marcus won't fire Mick, but it is possible Mick would walk away from the job. His comments yesterday about "fans getting tired of him" shows he certainly understands what's going on now. He almost sounded like his feelings have been hurt. I hope it's a wake up call because we ARE getting tired of the sh*t.

Regarding a replacement manager, ME would certainly have to make funds available if a new manager did come in. I know I've questioned whether MM should remain, but I do put my trust in Bluemike as he witnesses it live on a regular basis. My question is, if we give MM until the end of the season and nothing changes...we don't improve...and MM sticks to the same tactics and team selection...should he really remain as ITFC manager?

[J4ck22]

I dont think MM should be going anywhere, what he shouyld be doing is changing his bloody stubborn and set in his ways approach because he is still the best that we can expect to entice here given our budgets etc. I know it gets on peoples nerves when you ask this but just who do people think we can go out and get as our next manager that is (a) available (B) would want to come and most importantly (c) have us challenging at the right end with no money to spend ?? It just isnt going to happen unless you pluck a young up and coming boss out of the lower leagues which would be a massive and potentially expensive gamble, no thanks.

Mike
Can you really see him doing this though? I think Mick is a stubborn bugger and the more he hears criticism of his team selection and tactics the more likely he is to stick by them to try and prove people wrong.
Admittedly he has said that he got yesterday's starting lineup wrong, which with regards to the midfield I think nearly all the Town supporters in the ground could have told him that beforehand, but the thing that concerned me was he also said he thought we played well against Blackburn.
I just don't know where he got that opinion from because for me and many others at the game it just wasn't the case.

I don't think he believes we played well against Blackburn at all, I think it is a classic case of him defending his players to the hilt.

I do think people read too much into his press conferences. Notice that he never publicly criticizes the team, even when they have obviously played poorly. He obviously isn't just blind and naive, he's just sticking by his players and showing his belief in them. Behind closed doors it's probably an entirely different story.

While Mick can be very stubborn, he has changed the system numerous times when it clearly hasn't been working so I see no reason why he won't do it again, especially as he's been very upfront with admitting fault for yesterday.

[marko69]

I think Mick is a stubborn bugger and the more he hears criticism of his team selection and tactics the more likely he is to stick by them to try and prove people wrong.

I personally feel there is no way to prove that. Only Mick somehow being overheard admitting that would prove that.

BUT, if that is indeed what is going on in his head....... Then he should be sacked instantly. Yes, things are wrong, he's not making things click and he should be addressing that, and he should be addressing that regardless if he's hearing snippets from the terraces.

I mean that just can't be true. That'd be like me melting someone's low water content heat exchanger because I didn't believe the advice that the pump was f*cked. I'd go address the pump. Then charge them £128-00 plus VAT an hour, plus materials.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

I do not believe for one moment that Evans would ever sack MM.
To my mind, the fact that he took the earliest opportunity to extend MM's contract spoke volumes about his intent for the next 2 or 3 years, namely he has no intention of upping his investment for playing staff and was anxious to retain MM as he knows that MM will not complain about lack of funds but just get on with the job.
Would MM go of his own accord? I doubt it - he's stubborn, and the more the fans voice their opinions on his tactics and management the more likely it is he will be out to prove them wrong.
So there you have it, the next 2 or 3 seasons filled with little playing staff investment, negative tactics, and hoofball. Much the same as this season as it goes. Not a great deal to look forward to then.

[bluejacko]

Right MM himself said he got it wrong yesterday !
So why did it take him till half time to change one player who made a difference when he came on BUT did not change anybody else till the 73rd minute.
If that is not being stubborn,what is?

[arana peligrosa]

As before, McCarthy has tied himself to the club for the immediate future regards the contract extension and have to concur that Evans won't at any time fire him so the only other alternative is resignation.

You could count on all fingers and toes the number of instances McCarthy has raised my ire with his say 'questionable' attitudes this season and every time you think 'next week will see an improvement', it invariably remains the same bullshit. As believe mentioned on a rival page, the manager can offer a certain sense of stability, but for progress : last season aside, sometimes it shows that we're clearly lacking and way behind many others.

I think yesterday's debacle with Rotherham was the breaking point for a large section of the support and with it, the approach before game and fielding a defensive line-up (at home against a team occupying a place in the relegation zone)

Maybe it'll get worse before it gets better but for now, not giving up on the season just yet and suggest re-evaluate the situation during the summer when we have a clearer understanding of where the club lies.

[marko69]

he's stubborn, and the more the fans voice their opinions on his tactics and management the more likely it is he will be out to prove them wrong.

Not in any way whatsoever a licker of Mick McCarthy ringpiece, but I feel that ^^^ is purely your opinion there, Rossi. That MUST be a statement that can only be made by a fan who didn't want McCarthy in the job in the first place. And you've said more than a few times on here that you didn't want MM in charge. He definitely will have his management faults, and you'll have a list in your head as to why he isn't right for ITFC....., but for any manager to be "out to prove the fans wrong"...., it's ludicrous.

He's caught between a rock and hard place with both "loyalty" and loanees. The days of a manager given the ultimate respect for his decisions are LONG gone. He has to pander to some of these overpaid fkrs. He can't just drop everyone and play Feeney, Pringle, Foley etc etc. He'd then have a so called "morale" issue with Skuse, Douglas etc etc.

F**king tough job these days. Although I'd attempt it for the pay!

[J4ck22]

he's stubborn, and the more the fans voice their opinions on his tactics and management the more likely it is he will be out to prove them wrong.

Not in any way whatsoever a licker of Mick McCarthy ringpiece, but I feel that ^^^ is purely your opinion there, Rossi. That MUST be a statement that can only be made by a fan who didn't want McCarthy in the job in the first place. And you've said more than a few times on here that you didn't want MM in charge. He definitely will have his management faults, and you'll have a list in your head as to why he isn't right for ITFC....., but for any manager to be "out to prove the fans wrong"...., it's ludicrous.

He's caught between a rock and hard place with both "loyalty" and loanees. The days of a manager given the ultimate respect for his decisions are LONG gone. He has to pander to some of these overpaid fkrs. He can't just drop everyone and play Feeney, Pringle, Foley etc etc. He'd then have a so called "morale" issue with Skuse, Douglas etc etc.

F**king tough job these days. Although I'd attempt it for the pay!

Regarding the last line, I was waiting to leave after the final whistle and a few of the players (Knudsen, Murph and Feeney) were walking past applauding the fans while absorbing all kinds of vile abuse from the crowd of people who had intentionally stayed just to berate them (except Feeney, he was treated like a god in between the abuse). You couldn't pay me enough to take that sh*t at the end of a bad day at the office. I actually felt sorry for them, even after the awful performance just before, they didn't deserve that.

[marko69]

You couldn't pay me enough to take that sh*t at the end of a bad day at the office.

Yeah but J4CK......, how many bad days at the office have you now had in a row? PULL YOUR FKN FINGER OUT,BOYO!

Completely agree, though. Some fans cannot seem to fathom out that a "double negative" does not make a positive. And some fans can really become dangerously angry, but these are the complete tw@ts who cannot be taught and it is sometimes pointless trying to debate the team issues.

[J4ck22]

You couldn't pay me enough to take that sh*t at the end of a bad day at the office.

Yeah but J4CK......, how many bad days at the office have you now had in a row? PULL YOUR FKN FINGER OUT,BOYO!

Completely agree, though. Some fans cannot seem to fathom out that a "double negative" does not make a positive. And some fans can really become dangerously angry, but these are the complete tw@ts who cannot be taught and it is sometimes pointless trying to debate the team issues.

I just happen to be good at hiding it!

A friend of mine actually turned around and told one of them to shut the f*ck up, his response was actually 'I'm just supporting my team'. I still can't figure out if he was joking or if he actually has no self awareness...

[marko69]

A friend of mine actually turned around and told one of them to shut the f*ck up, his response was actually 'I'm just supporting my team'

Holy shyte, J4Ck. The response at Easter Road would've required more police.

[number 9]

he's stubborn, and the more the fans voice their opinions on his tactics and management the more likely it is he will be out to prove them wrong.

Not in any way whatsoever a licker of Mick McCarthy ringpiece, but I feel that ^^^ is purely your opinion there, Rossi. That MUST be a statement that can only be made by a fan who didn't want McCarthy in the job in the first place. And you've said more than a few times on here that you didn't want MM in charge. He definitely will have his management faults, and you'll have a list in your head as to why he isn't right for ITFC....., but for any manager to be "out to prove the fans wrong"...., it's ludicrous.

He's caught between a rock and hard place with both "loyalty" and loanees. The days of a manager given the ultimate respect for his decisions are LONG gone. He has to pander to some of these overpaid fkrs. He can't just drop everyone and play Feeney, Pringle, Foley etc etc. He'd then have a so called "morale" issue with Skuse, Douglas etc etc.

F**king tough job these days. Although I'd attempt it for the pay!

Regarding the last line, I was waiting to leave after the final whistle and a few of the players (Knudsen, Murph and Feeney) were walking past applauding the fans while absorbing all kinds of vile abuse from the crowd of people who had intentionally stayed just to berate them (except Feeney, he was treated like a god in between the abuse). You couldn't pay me enough to take that sh*t at the end of a bad day at the office. I actually felt sorry for them, even after the awful performance just before, they didn't deserve that.

I have to admit that does put things in perspective. Why do those fans bother going if it pisses them off so much? I'd love the chance to go to every match. It's my dream to retire in Suffolk and purchase a season ticket. We all moan from time to time, but to berate the players like that is criminal.

[J4ck22]

A friend of mine actually turned around and told one of them to shut the f*ck up, his response was actually 'I'm just supporting my team'

Holy shyte, J4Ck. The response at Easter Road would've required more police.

Oh I can imagine! There were a lot more other words that I decided to leave out, but I just found that bit hilarious.

[Shed on tour]

he's stubborn, and the more the fans voice their opinions on his tactics and management the more likely it is he will be out to prove them wrong.

Not in any way whatsoever a licker of Mick McCarthy ringpiece, but I feel that ^^^ is purely your opinion there, Rossi. That MUST be a statement that can only be made by a fan who didn't want McCarthy in the job in the first place. And you've said more than a few times on here that you didn't want MM in charge. He definitely will have his management faults, and you'll have a list in your head as to why he isn't right for ITFC....., but for any manager to be "out to prove the fans wrong"...., it's ludicrous.

He's caught between a rock and hard place with both "loyalty" and loanees. The days of a manager given the ultimate respect for his decisions are LONG gone. He has to pander to some of these overpaid fkrs. He can't just drop everyone and play Feeney, Pringle, Foley etc etc. He'd then have a so called "morale" issue with Skuse, Douglas etc etc.

F**king tough job these days. Although I'd attempt it for the pay!

Regarding the last line, I was waiting to leave after the final whistle and a few of the players (Knudsen, Murph and Feeney) were walking past applauding the fans while absorbing all kinds of vile abuse from the crowd of people who had intentionally stayed just to berate them (except Feeney, he was treated like a god in between the abuse). You couldn't pay me enough to take that sh*t at the end of a bad day at the office. I actually felt sorry for them, even after the awful performance just before, they didn't deserve that.

Whilst I certainly don't agree in the abuse that some of the players received after the game I do find it hard to understand how people can clap after a performance like that.
As they say each to their own, but I myself just made my way to the exit without giving any abuse or applause.

Talking of receiving abuse, yes all players sometimes have to put up with fans going over the top but perhaps they themselves should also bear this in mind with regards to officials who not only receive this abuse from the people in the stands but also the players themselves.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

he's stubborn, and the more the fans voice their opinions on his tactics and management the more likely it is he will be out to prove them wrong.

Not in any way whatsoever a licker of Mick McCarthy ringpiece, but I feel that ^^^ is purely your opinion there, Rossi. That MUST be a statement that can only be made by a fan who didn't want McCarthy in the job in the first place. And you've said more than a few times on here that you didn't want MM in charge. He definitely will have his management faults, and you'll have a list in your head as to why he isn't right for ITFC....., but for any manager to be "out to prove the fans wrong"...., it's ludicrous.

He's caught between a rock and hard place with both "loyalty" and loanees. The days of a manager given the ultimate respect for his decisions are LONG gone. He has to pander to some of these overpaid fkrs. He can't just drop everyone and play Feeney, Pringle, Foley etc etc. He'd then have a so called "morale" issue with Skuse, Douglas etc etc.

F**king tough job these days. Although I'd attempt it for the pay!

Of course it's my opinion, that's why I wrote it.
Surely that's what a forum is all about, opinions?

[derick_ipsw]

Well he best change his stubbornness for the next 8 games. We might as well go for it all guns blazing and see what happens rather than prat about with 3 defensive midfielders. Murphy and Sears up top, two wide men in Pringle and Feeney and if fit Mcgoldrick just in behind the strikers. But he wont.

[marko69]

Rossi, for f*ck sake mate, put your wig back on. Why do some people on here insist with the borderline hissy fit, sarcy replies? Is it an English thing? Fk sake. You wrote it like it was a fact,....., well that's how I read it. SORRY, MY FAULT. Jaysus H man.

So you think he's actually trying to prove the fans wrong? Let me guess......., YES, that's why you wrote it?! Fkn nightmare. No wonder I insist on posting Benny pictures.

[Bluemike]

he's stubborn, and the more the fans voice their opinions on his tactics and management the more likely it is he will be out to prove them wrong.

Not in any way whatsoever a licker of Mick McCarthy ringpiece, but I feel that ^^^ is purely your opinion there, Rossi. That MUST be a statement that can only be made by a fan who didn't want McCarthy in the job in the first place. And you've said more than a few times on here that you didn't want MM in charge. He definitely will have his management faults, and you'll have a list in your head as to why he isn't right for ITFC....., but for any manager to be "out to prove the fans wrong"...., it's ludicrous.

He's caught between a rock and hard place with both "loyalty" and loanees. The days of a manager given the ultimate respect for his decisions are LONG gone. He has to pander to some of these overpaid fkrs. He can't just drop everyone and play Feeney, Pringle, Foley etc etc. He'd then have a so called "morale" issue with Skuse, Douglas etc etc.

F**king tough job these days. Although I'd attempt it for the pay!

Regarding the last line, I was waiting to leave after the final whistle and a few of the players (Knudsen, Murph and Feeney) were walking past applauding the fans while absorbing all kinds of vile abuse from the crowd of people who had intentionally stayed just to berate them (except Feeney, he was treated like a god in between the abuse). You couldn't pay me enough to take that sh*t at the end of a bad day at the office. I actually felt sorry for them, even after the awful performance just before, they didn't deserve that.

I had the same thing at cardiff last week, this tw*t at the final whistle decided to hurl abuse at Knudsen who had come over to clap the fans, he clearly saw this prat too and walked away. This tosser was giving it large to fans who were clapping the players saying they should not be clapping them etc and they should all f*ck off etc, I had to say to him if it is that bad and he didnt like what he saw why bother going all that way to the game, I also unfortunately told him to f*ck off elsewhere, at that point he vanished pretty quick when this girl who he had been slagging off for clapping the team pushed him down the stairwell LOL. Never saw him after that.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

Rossi, for f*ck sake mate, put your wig back on. Why do some people on here insist with the borderline hissy fit, sarcy replies? Is it an English thing? Fk sake. You wrote it like it was a fact,....., well that's how I read it. SORRY, MY FAULT. Jaysus H man.

So you think he's actually trying to prove the fans wrong? Let me guess......., YES, that's why you wrote it?! Fkn nightmare. No wonder I insist on posting Benny pictures.

What I said is that if fans are moaning at him and want him out, then he's likely to think to himself 'f@ck them, I'll show 'em'.
It's a natural human reaction, especially from a stubborn Yorkshire-man.
I've read back what I posted and it all seems perfectly obvious what I meant. Don't know why anybody would read it any other way tbh, well not without stating the bleeding obvious.

[hallamblue]

he's stubborn, and the more the fans voice their opinions on his tactics and management the more likely it is he will be out to prove them wrong.

Not in any way whatsoever a licker of Mick McCarthy ringpiece, but I feel that ^^^ is purely your opinion there, Rossi. That MUST be a statement that can only be made by a fan who didn't want McCarthy in the job in the first place. And you've said more than a few times on here that you didn't want MM in charge. He definitely will have his management faults, and you'll have a list in your head as to why he isn't right for ITFC....., but for any manager to be "out to prove the fans wrong"...., it's ludicrous.

He's caught between a rock and hard place with both "loyalty" and loanees. The days of a manager given the ultimate respect for his decisions are LONG gone. He has to pander to some of these overpaid fkrs. He can't just drop everyone and play Feeney, Pringle, Foley etc etc. He'd then have a so called "morale" issue with Skuse, Douglas etc etc.

F**king tough job these days. Although I'd attempt it for the pay!

I honestly wish that was the case marko, ref rossi's commsnt. But MIck , during an interview to the local rag, not that long ago, actually said almost those exact words. Mick is very focused.... but it boarders on the stubborn. Which this season is one of the major problems concerning our style of play, (which is mind numbingly poor), and this persistant practice of playing players out of position, or when they are out of form, or simply in the wrong combinations.

This is ( despite our 8th position on a shoes string ), probably one of the worst sesons I can recall for total lack of entertainment / football, since the days of John Duncan, and thats really saying something!