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charlton837 · Post by **charlton837** » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:58 pm

I haven't posted on here in ages! But after hearing the news that Douglas has triggered an extra year and will be here for another year I couldn't contain my excitement.

This is just the news to keep the positivity flowing, in all seriousness though, this last couple of months have been a real killer in the feel good factor that had been across the club in the recent past. The club and Mick will put it all down to not getting results citing that if we nicked a few games 1-0 the fans wouldn't be complaining, im not so sure, and saying that I don't believe we ever looked like nicking these games 1-0, if anything the other team have been putting pressure on us when we have drawn 0-0, especially at home.

I have had my season ticket since 2001 and go to a lot of away games, I am not in the Mick out crowd, but I am fed up of the whole club at the moment. I love my football and wont give up my season ticket, I live in hope that things will improve, both in terms of results and performances. But if Im honest ive walked out of at least half the home games this year and when asked how it was replied with "boring". I am faithful enough to stick with it, but many others wont be, and this is hardly going to inspire a younger generation to join the blue army. We had a promotional day against Rotherham, which, if any, of them youngsters would ever want to return.

When really young I use to go to the odd game, then I got the bug big time after going Wembley in the Play Off final when I was just 9, since then I have had a season ticket and travelled up and down the country watching and supporting the team, in lets face it some pretty dire seasons. Last season was a breath of fresh air, we were never technically brilliant, but the effort of the team was clear to see, a perfect example would be Paul Anderson, not the greatest by any stretch, but fans love to see someone running themselves into the ground for the cause!

Someone I use to work with who lives in Alexandria Egypt was over for the past couple of weeks, he went Wolves away and Charlton at home, he commented how slow everything is, and I couldn't argue, all I could say is it is sometimes better than this!

Anyway, just my thoughts, im sure some will agree and some disagree, football is all about opinions, my view is I hope Mick stays, realizes this season has been a failure in more than just results, and go about putting together something the fans can relate to again.

charlton837 · Post by **charlton837** » Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:09 pm

got carried away in my answer and forgot to mention, I really don't rate Douglas. Too old, slow, and technically poor. He use to be OK in his hay day, but he is well past that now and I would say league 2 level these days, not good enough for a top 6 chasing Championship side.

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:51 pm

agree 100% with your first post. That's exactly how I feel. Like you say many fans are now giving up on the Club mainly because of the utterly boring tactics, rather than "missing out on the play offs"

bluejacko · Post by **bluejacko** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:43 am

Trouble is WHEN does this club ever listen to fans opinion,in any times i have contacted the club over anything they pay lip service to what you say and then carry on regardless!

arana peligrosa · Post by **arana peligrosa** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:43 pm

bluejacko wrote:Trouble is WHEN does this club ever listen to fans opinion,in any times i have contacted the club over anything they pay lip service to what you say and then carry on regardless!

If enough people stay away from our games and there's a significant lack of season ticket renewal, sooner or later someone will receive an understanding of how the supporters feel. It's been said many times but Evans would appear too reclusive regards taking a proper interest in team endeavors. Yes I don't get to many games so don't have the full picture on all that occurs during game time but maybe someone could provide how many instances the owner has been seen at Portman Road when we're involved or even come out and speak on issues. Safe to say he's simply not recognized enough or takes such a back seat that he's almost unaware of week to week 'achievements' at the club. There's almost a sense of apathy about it which will constitute a certain level of concern.

Post by **Bluemike** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:20 am

The owner attends most home games, or so I am led to believe.

Mach_Polish_Blue · Post by **Mach_Polish_Blue** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:00 pm

bluemike wrote:The owner attends most home games, or so I am led to believe.

Let me ask you Mike: how do you know that? No-one probably knows.

Mach_Polish_Blue · Post by **Mach_Polish_Blue** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:01 pm

Why do people lay into Mick much more than Evans? When will people realise that Evans and his policy is the main reason why this club is gradually going backwards?

Mick is also making baffling team selections, keeps annoying with his decisions but we have to stick with him as no-one is going to make us better when our 'signings' are Cokes, Toures, Varneys etc etc.

barmy billy · Post by **barmy billy** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:23 pm

Mach_Polish_Blue wrote:Why do people lay into Mick much more than Evans? When will people realise that Evans and his policy is the main reason why this club is gradually going backwards?

Mick is also making baffling team selections, keeps annoying with his decisions but we have to stick with him as no-one is going to make us better when our 'signings' are Cokes, Toures, Varneys etc etc.

Make your mind up. On 20 March you posted the MM had 'lost' you, together with your reasons why. Now you are saying we have to stick with him as no-one is going to make us better.

Post by **marko69** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:42 pm

I'd place money that part of MPB's post was sarcasm, Barmy.

Mach_Polish_Blue · Post by **Mach_Polish_Blue** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:06 pm

barmy billy wrote:
Mach_Polish_Blue wrote:Why do people lay into Mick much more than Evans? When will people realise that Evans and his policy is the main reason why this club is gradually going backwards?

Mick is also making baffling team selections, keeps annoying with his decisions but we have to stick with him as no-one is going to make us better when our 'signings' are Cokes, Toures, Varneys etc etc.
Make your mind up. On 20 March you posted the MM had 'lost' you, together with your reasons why. Now you are saying we have to stick with him as no-one is going to make us better.

You tell me to make my mind up? Just you? Or will you twist my words and lie once again?

You aren't too intelligent are you? Just because he's lost me doesn't mean I want him out. If I am really annoyed with my missus it doesn't automatically mean I want a divorce. Same applies to Micks situation. I'm not happy with his decisions and stubborness but no-one is going to make us better with lack of funds to spend. We have to stick with him. It might be still too difficult for you to comprehend.

barmy billy · Post by **barmy billy** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:16 pm

Mach_Polish_Blue wrote:
barmy billy wrote:
Mach_Polish_Blue wrote:Why do people lay into Mick much more than Evans? When will people realise that Evans and his policy is the main reason why this club is gradually going backwards?

Mick is also making baffling team selections, keeps annoying with his decisions but we have to stick with him as no-one is going to make us better when our 'signings' are Cokes, Toures, Varneys etc etc.
Make your mind up. On 20 March you posted the MM had 'lost' you, together with your reasons why. Now you are saying we have to stick with him as no-one is going to make us better.
You tell me to make my mind up? Just you? Or will you twist my words and lie once again?

You aren't too intelligent are you? Just because he's lost me doesn't mean I want him out. If I am really annoyed with my missus it doesn't automatically mean I want a divorce. Same applies to Micks situation. I'm not happy with his decisions and stubborness but no-one is going to make us better with lack of funds to spend. We have to stick with him. It might be still too difficult for you to comprehend.

Thank you once again for the compliments and the way you have expressed them.

I was trying to find out exactly what you meant by your comments as they seemed contradictory. MM lost me a long time ago and like some other contributors I would like to see the back of him. As I have told you previously, I do not accept that the club can do no better than have him in charge.

A difference of opinion which you seem unable to accept without hurling insults at me.

Keep smiling.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:29 pm

Fighting in the North Stand yesterday, by any chance boys?

Opinions, change of opinions, opinions on opinions needn't be the trigger for abuse. Fuc*ing nobs!

Post by **marko69** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:34 pm

When I'm annoyed with my missus, she kicks me in the nuts. I remember never to get annoyed again! Ouch!

Seriously though, I thought paggerin' in the stands amongst ourselves was a Hibs thing! You guys copying us.

Post by **Bluemike** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:04 pm

Mach_Polish_Blue wrote:
bluemike wrote:The owner attends most home games, or so I am led to believe.
Let me ask you Mike: how do you know that? No-one probably knows.

Just what I have been told Mach, no proof of it one way or another, I ain't that bothered to be fair.

Post by **Charnwood** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:55 am

My thoughts for what they are worth. Mick McCarthy was a brilliant appointment and the exact type of manager our football club needed because we'd lost our way and were heading for League One for sure. McCarthy stopped the rot, brought structure and stability and motivated average players to up their game and pull themselves away from almost certain relegation.

Since then we've consolidated and our football club is in far better shape under his management than we were before his arrival however this has been achieved in workmanlike fashion rather than pure football, but what should we expect with the limited resources made available to him by our owner.

That said I believe the way we play is "The McCarthy" way, and for me he's just a Championship version of Sam Alardyce who gets average results from average players but it's never going to be exciting.

We could change him and hope for the best but given the lack of investment funds provided by our owner this could be very risky, as managing without money in this league is quite a specialist skill and one that McCarthy has proved to be quite good at albeit I'm sure he'd prefer not to have to.

Maybe we as fans have to get real and accept that until we have an owner who's prepared to take a risk with money and support a manager in the challenge for promotion which is far from guaranteed, then what we have now is probably the best we're going to get for a while, unless we strike lucky.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:13 am

Terry Butcher is talking about being at a crossroads, and that to make real progress there has to be investment to improve squad quality - particularly in midfield. Doing nothing equals stagnation and inevitable decline. That's it in a nutshell, and really echoes what we all know.

What is missing from the club is any realistic acknowledgement of where we are, and future plans to secure progress. Ian Milne's latest statement was effectively more of the same, but sounded increasingly hollow. Rather than the club's PR gurus keep producing sound bites from players, whose actions on the pitch seldom match the hype, they would be better seeking an honest statement from ME, adressing his future intentions. Supporters being urged by IM to continue sticking with it, deserve nothing less.

I think the ST Early Bird deadline expires at midday. Be interesting to see whether it's extended!

barmy billy · Post by **barmy billy** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:24 pm

Charnwood wrote:My thoughts for what they are worth. Mick McCarthy was a brilliant appointment and the exact type of manager our football club needed because we'd lost our way and were heading for League One for sure. McCarthy stopped the rot, brought structure and stability and motivated average players to up their game and pull themselves away from almost certain relegation.

Since then we've consolidated and our football club is in far better shape under his management than we were before his arrival however this has been achieved in workmanlike fashion rather than pure football, but what should we expect with the limited resources made available to him by our owner.

That said I believe the way we play is "The McCarthy" way, and for me he's just a Championship version of Sam Alardyce who gets average results from average players but it's never going to be exciting.

We could change him and hope for the best but given the lack of investment funds provided by our owner this could be very risky, as managing without money in this league is quite a specialist skill and one that McCarthy has proved to be quite good at albeit I'm sure he'd prefer not to have to.

Maybe we as fans have to get real and accept that until we have an owner who's prepared to take a risk with money and support a manager in the challenge for promotion which is far from guaranteed, then what we have now is probably the best we're going to get for a while, unless we strike lucky.

That said I believe the way we play is "The McCarthy" way, and for me he's just a Championship version of Sam Alardyce who gets average results from average players but it's never going to be exciting.

A very good analogy, which unfortunately I don't see changing in the forseable future.

When I think about it I actually find the whole thing very sad. You only have to go back as far as the Burley era and compare the football then to the tripe (and for whatever reason/excuses it is tripe) served up this season. It really is abysmal and I can quite understand and agree with those not renewing Season Tickets.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:33 pm

Have to agree that, having attended all home matches, and a handful away, MM's modus operandi seems set in stone. What's been particularly disappointing is to watch so called inferior teams, notably Pompey, play much better basic football then our attritional, up and at 'em style. Most teams have worked us out now, and set up accordingly and usually effectively - particularly at PR.

The counter to 'Mick is an aged one trick pony' is that he's been severely restricted by lack of funds, unlucky with injuries and unable to strengthen with real quality. But, despite this, his undoubted experience and ability to get the max out of the average, suggests that with some modest injection of cash, the turgid/one dimensional stuff would disappear.

I lean towards giving him the opportunity to prove that's the case - but understand those who say leopards etc. But without ME stumping up some dish, and MM remaining in post, we won't know. The prospect of more of the same will inevitably drive some to remove their support.

derick_ipsw · Post by **derick_ipsw** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:03 pm

Can anybody remember how Wolves and Sunderland played when he got them promoted? I certainly cant. You usually remember good Footballing sides, well I do, Ipswich had several under Sir Bob and George Burley did his bit as well.

The Odious Mr Rossi · Post by **The Odious Mr Rossi** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:24 pm

derick_ipsw wrote:Can anybody remember how Wolves and Sunderland played when he got them promoted? I certainly cant. You usually remember good Footballing sides, well I do, Ipswich had several under Sir Bob and George Burley did his bit as well.

Funnily enough, on Football Gold the other night they showed Burnley vs Wolves from 2007.
Wolves played the ball on the floor and made a lot of use of their wide men, BUT..................
I might as well have been watching the Town defence - terrible defending from Wolves, all 3 goals conceded preventable.. In spite of being an ex-defender, I have to question MM's defensive coaching

number 9 · Post by **number 9** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:56 pm

herforder wrote:Terry Butcher is talking about being at a crossroads, and that to make real progress there has to be investment to improve squad quality - particularly in midfield. Doing nothing equals stagnation and inevitable decline. That's it in a nutshell, and really echoes what we all know.

What is missing from the club is any realistic acknowledgement of where we are, and future plans to secure progress. Ian Milne's latest statement was effectively more of the same, but sounded increasingly hollow. Rather than the club's PR gurus keep producing sound bites from players, whose actions on the pitch seldom match the hype, they would be better seeking an honest statement from ME, adressing his future intentions. Supporters being urged by IM to continue sticking with it, deserve nothing less.

I think the ST Early Bird deadline expires at midday. Be interesting to see whether it's extended!

Yeah I think it's about time ME made a statement about the future of ITFC...

Mach_Polish_Blue · Post by **Mach_Polish_Blue** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:48 pm

derick_ipsw wrote:Can anybody remember how Wolves and Sunderland played when he got them promoted? I certainly cant. You usually remember good Footballing sides, well I do, Ipswich had several under Sir Bob and George Burley did his bit as well.

I wonder how George Burley would have done without money to spend. He was nicely backed by Sheepshanks and people seem to be forgetting about that.

goldandblack · Post by **goldandblack** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:45 pm

derick_ipsw wrote:Can anybody remember how Wolves and Sunderland played when he got them promoted? I certainly cant. You usually remember good Footballing sides, well I do, Ipswich had several under Sir Bob and George Burley did his bit as well.

Hi Derick. answer to your question on how Wolves played under Mick before promotion, that was the most exciting attacking football the Mol had seen in years, had a bit more money to spend than the Town but kept to a strict budget. we had a squad built from lower leagues and non league, and most of those players are still playing top football today, I think you still have 2/3 of those players now.

that squad kept us in the prem for 3 seasons but when Mick tried to improve the squad he couldn't spend the money needed and the short memory fans turned on him, the rest is history to where we ended up without Mick.

As for your owner selling the club . be careful what you wish for.
our season ended when our fans turned on our owner and he walked.

read on.
Wolves chief executive Jez Moxey says selling the Championship club on behalf of owner Steve Morgan is not proving easy as there are so few of the right potential buyers out there.
The club have been up for sale for most of the season, following the revelation of Morgan's intentions in September.
But long-serving Moxey told BBC WM: "We don't just want to sell to anybody.

"Many of our older fans remember when this club nearly went out of business. We don't want a return to those days."

He continued: "Despite what many people think there are not many people around with tens of millions that want to buy a football club. So many clubs are up for sale. So few get sold.

"It requires someone, who will continue to run the club in a sensible, positive way without risking its future. This is a very precious, national sporting institution that stands for so many positive things, with its fantastic history and what it means to the people."

derick_ipsw · Post by **derick_ipsw** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:02 pm

goldandblack wrote:
derick_ipsw wrote:Can anybody remember how Wolves and Sunderland played when he got them promoted? I certainly cant. You usually remember good Footballing sides, well I do, Ipswich had several under Sir Bob and George Burley did his bit as well.

Hi Derick. answer to your question on how Wolves played under Mick before promotion, that was the most exciting attacking football the Mol had seen in years, had a bit more money to spend than the Town but kept to a strict budget. we had a squad built from lower leagues and non league, and most of those players are still playing top football today, I think you still have 2/3 of those players now.

that squad kept us in the prem for 3 seasons but when Mick tried to improve the squad he couldn't spend the money needed and the short memory fans turned on him, the rest is history to where we ended up without Mick.

As for your owner selling the club . be careful what you wish for.
our season ended when our fans turned on our owner and he walked.

read on.
Wolves chief executive Jez Moxey says selling the Championship club on behalf of owner Steve Morgan is not proving easy as there are so few of the right potential buyers out there.
The club have been up for sale for most of the season, following the revelation of Morgan's intentions in September.
But long-serving Moxey told BBC WM: "We don't just want to sell to anybody.

"Many of our older fans remember when this club nearly went out of business. We don't want a return to those days."

He continued: "Despite what many people think there are not many people around with tens of millions that want to buy a football club. So many clubs are up for sale. So few get sold.

"It requires someone, who will continue to run the club in a sensible, positive way without risking its future. This is a very precious, national sporting institution that stands for so many positive things, with its fantastic history and what it means to the people."

Thanks for that. Makes me more un understanding of the way we play.

goldandblack · Post by **goldandblack** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:22 pm

derick_ipsw wrote:
goldandblack wrote:[quote="derick_ipsw"."
Thanks for that. Makes me more un understanding of the way we play.

I think your budget and injuries dictate the play, I think McGoldrick was a big miss for you the last couple of season, a Striker / player not easily replaced. probably not good to watch but your still there or about, imagine being a Bolton fan..
this championship is a tough league. any team can beat any team,

I'd have Mick and Clipboard back at the Mol.

nobody said it was going to be easy when the likes of us chose our clubs to support, or better still the clubs chose us lol.

Post by **Bluemike** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:31 pm

Thanks for comfirming what I pretty much already knew G&B, we really do have to be careful what we wish for where the manager and owner are concerned. The sitaution could be a Thousand times worse than what it is now.

goldandblack · Post by **goldandblack** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:50 pm

bluemike wrote:Thanks for comfirming what I pretty much already knew G&B, we really do have to be careful what we wish for where the manager and owner are concerned. The sitaution could be a Thousand times worse than what it is now.

its not easy to get to grips on how things seem to change so quick.clubs likes our walk a fine line,, Blue, there's clubs coming down now with big budgets, plus your Middlesboro's, Derby's etc .The Towns position in this league is far higher than some clubs with bigger budgets.

we have good manager in Kenny Jacket, but injuries plus our owner walking away produces the crap we are playing.(you saw it for yourself a couple of weeks ago at the Mol.)

there's always NEXT SEASON. when we both will rule the World again,

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:55 pm

I've said all along McCarthy a previous clubs didn't play hoof ball. Which beggars the question, why does he do it at ITFC? You can only assume it's because of the level of player he is restricted to bringing into the Club on the current financial restraints!

Over to you, Mr Evans...............

goldandblack · Post by **goldandblack** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:17 pm

hallamblue wrote:I've said all along McCarthy a previous clubs didn't play hoof ball. Which beggars the question, why does he do it at ITFC? You can only assume it's because of the level of player he is restricted to bringing into the Club on the current financial restraints!

Over to you, Mr Evans...............

there's a lot of fans out there who would swap owners with you Hallam, The, Vile, Wolves,Leeds, Newcastle, Cardiff. etc,etc ... Ipswich have always been looked on as a " club that's run properly " so easy to take that chance (leeds, Sheff U, Wigan etc)
it was great being in the premier but it came at a cost.... a visit to Div One.... and a lot of players sold,and us being stuck here again for another lifetime,

this time next year your be collecting money to build a statue of Mr Evans and Merlin. after winning this league,

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