My issue with Hurst

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by Tangfastic » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:20 pm

valleyroad wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:58 pm
tangfastic wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:44 am
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Cheers for that, Tangfastic.

What’s worrying is the last person stumbling about in desperation was Paul, the Jewell of Porn. And we all know how that ended.

McCarthy back at ITFC , January 3rd?
Don’t think Mick back here as manager is on the cards. Too much bad blood. But he must enjoying his reputation enhanced in his absence. It’s like Bru and Sears became better players when they weren’t picked .... Mick is now looking a far better manager out of the game. I reckon he’ll get a job in October or November... that’s usually when clubs start firing.
No chance of MM ever going back to Ipswich Town. Treated by substantial section of the support disgracefully. MM is a fine manager who could manage at any level of the Championship and achieve. Expect he will find work soon. Hugely regarded individual in football. So for all the morons who demanded his ousting, rock on with Paul Hurst.
I can only think you’re a Norwich fan or a devout MM fan. But not a Town fan. The biggest voiceswere not the numbskulls, but the silent ones who decided not to watch his football anymore. Change was necessary. Enjoy us having a difficult transition or whatever. It was a risk, but a necessary one.

Give our regards to Mick in his new job when I’m sure he’ll get one.










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Re: My issue with Hurst

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tangfastic wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:20 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:58 pm
tangfastic wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:44 am


Don’t think Mick back here as manager is on the cards. Too much bad blood. But he must enjoying his reputation enhanced in his absence. It’s like Bru and Sears became better players when they weren’t picked .... Mick is now looking a far better manager out of the game. I reckon he’ll get a job in October or November... that’s usually when clubs start firing.
No chance of MM ever going back to Ipswich Town. Treated by substantial section of the support disgracefully. MM is a fine manager who could manage at any level of the Championship and achieve. Expect he will find work soon. Hugely regarded individual in football. So for all the morons who demanded his ousting, rock on with Paul Hurst.
I can only think you’re a Norwich fan or a devout MM fan. But not a Town fan. The biggest voiceswere not the numbskulls, but the silent ones who decided not to watch his football anymore. Change was necessary. Enjoy us having a difficult transition or whatever. It was a risk, but a necessary one.

Give our regards to Mick in his new job when I’m sure he’ll get one.










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Sure no problems, its not enjoyable. I want to see Ipswich do well. The silent one's I put in the same bin as the numbskulls, just that they are silent. Actually more respect for the numbskulls. It wasn't a risk it was rank stupidity. So lets see if by next season you are happy with your "necessary" transition as you put it.
Also when I lived in Ipswich I went along to Norwich , Colchester and Cambridge on a regular basis. Saw 75 of 92 league clubs. Norwich are a fine club too and also well run. Just don't get the small minded nonsense that written by both clubs supporters about each other. Laughable.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by Tangfastic » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:12 pm

What’s laughable ..... expand?
You’ve done a great job on Micks CV at the top level... just go down a level or two and expand on his qualities

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by Bluemike » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:37 pm

I actually think it is Mick.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

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Bluemike wrote:
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I actually think it is Mick.
Nah...not enough swearing! :lol: Valleyroad does rhyme with Carrow Road. :astroll:

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by marko69 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:07 pm

Tit f*cks you mean, 9?

"If those tit fans think I'm staying here listening to this, they can go tit f*ck."

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by arana peligrosa » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:24 pm

If for arguments sake McCarthy ever took position at this club again I would seriously consider no longer taking interest in team endeavors.

That it's highly improbable such a thing could come to pass is good enough but it's just for theoretical purposes (and was alluded to in a previous post)

It was near imperative the individual has to go. Took f**king long enough to occur you can argue but the club was on a route to nowhere so long as he remained on the payroll. Guess he's still out of employment which may offer some school of thought. As for Hurst say again it was a risk bringing in a name with no higher league experience that what they already possessed. I don't know how long it could take to be a consistent team once again or able to challenge the upper reaches of the division.

Saw it read that some were content with finishing in one place above the relegation zone by end of season. Not to castigate any one opinion but f*ck that, I'd be looking towards something more substantial. It all comes back to the chairman, the individual has to depart for the (once again) opportunity for future progression.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

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saint jude wrote:
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If for arguments sake McCarthy ever took position at this club again I would seriously consider no longer taking interest in team endeavors.

That it's highly improbable such a thing could come to pass is good enough but it's just for theoretical purposes (and was alluded to in a previous post)

It was near imperative the individual has to go. Took f**king long enough to occur you can argue but the club was on a route to nowhere so long as he remained on the payroll. Guess he's still out of employment which may offer some school of thought. As for Hurst say again it was a risk bringing in a name with no higher league experience that what they already possessed. I don't know how long it could take to be a consistent team once again or able to challenge the upper reaches of the division.

Saw it read that some were content with finishing in one place above the relegation zone by end of season. Not to castigate any one opinion but f*ck that, I'd be looking towards something more substantial. It all comes back to the chairman, the individual has to depart for the (once again) opportunity for future progression.
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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by Charnwood » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:42 pm

How many games do we give him before accepting “enough is enough” and it’s time to move on. ?.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

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How many games do we give him before accepting “enough is enough” and it’s time to move on. ?.
I believe I've already had enough. Mind you that's easy in defense as I never took to his appointment here from day one. Suppose it's dependant on those who welcomed his arrival and are prepared to allow it sufficient time to improve or those who were against his switch from Shrewsbury and the poor run of form has culminated in something of a decision in that he should be go. I don't fault them for it.

If the team is without a victory one month from now or there's no marked improvement from present time then I'd be all for advocating Hurst's dismissal. It's nothing personal, I just want to see this club back challenging once again or being recognized - for the right reasons - and with the authority figures it now possesses, you feel (or indeed accept) it's not going to occur anytime soon. At least not to a standard where we can we realistically hope to achieve.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by marko69 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:23 pm

So far, the opening post from CFP is like a Nostradamus reading.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by Bluemike » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:31 pm

The latest stupid rumours are that he has 3 games

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by arana peligrosa » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:47 pm

What rumors are these, someone with the cerebral capacity of a toilet brush. Three games my as*, he'll be here for as long as he wishes, other than resigning of course which is highly unlikely. Sick of bringing Marcus Evans' name into things but for the purpose of clarity the individual won't be firing anybody after a poor start. This has been well authenticated during his association with this club.

Over at TWTD news as such as this would represent a three course meal with dessert and coffee but most will be able to see through it for the garbage it is. Incidentally no debate is prevalent over at The Sack Race which would suggest there's nothing substantial here. I look at the immediate fixtures ahead and there's some tough games with Swansea, Leeds and Middlesbrough to come but irrespective of score or performance Hurst will remain in position unless the said individual decides to clear desk and seek employment elsewhere. Which as before won't occur.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by Tangfastic » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:16 pm

3 games left? For what... to win a match, put in a good performance? Get out of the bottom three?

Doesn’t seem like Evans’ style.... unless Hurst has pissed him off.

Probably baseless rumours at the moment.

Be careful what you wish for!!!!! The new manager will likely be out of work... Pardew? Sherwood? Simon Grayson would be my bet.

Come on, Hursty, sort it out!!

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by Bluemike » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:12 pm

Definitely baseless rumours, supposedly from within the club is what someone has told me, I dont believe it, but if it is true and we lose at Birmingham he will be gone cus the Three games started with Brentford lol.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by Charnwood » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:15 pm

Sounds like bar talk to me, even if it were the case there's no way it would be in the public domain and such rumours are damaging and unhelpful.

Shame on whoever starts them.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by Charnwood » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:19 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:12 pm
Definitely baseless rumours, supposedly from within the club is what someone has told me, I dont believe it, but if it is true and we lose at Birmingham he will be gone cus the Three games started with Brentford lol.
It could also be three games undefeated if we draw at Birmingham.

I really can't see Marcus Evans paying up his 3 yr contract after just 3 months, he"s far too careful with his money for that to happen.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by Bluemike » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:38 pm

I can't either Andy and i kinda told the person who told me it was more bullshit which didn't go down too well lol. It's one of these "someone overheard a convo" nonsense from an employee at the club, as you say if true they should be ashamed. Personally I think Hurst is here for the season and beyond with 4th bottom the immediate target now.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by Charnwood » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:09 pm

That don’t sound much like progress to me.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by Bluemike » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:33 pm

Obviously not and clearly not what anyone at the club envisaged but massive change wont happen again for a good while yet.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by marko69 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:34 pm

Great job though eh?

Quote: “Evans Won’t want to pay up his 3yr contract.”

You get paid even if you Fk up?! :lol: I’d like to land a 3yr contract at Hearts. Show up, practice feck all for an hour, then head home for some afternoon “Dave” channel. Hearts relegated, Marko paid in full. Sorted.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by herforder » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:09 pm

PH will reinforce his consistency of getting teams into League 1. If anyone seriously believes we will retain our Cship status then they’re seriously deluded. Things will not turn by this, or any future, Christmas. ME’s gamble is simply not going to work. He may not have the appetite to admit it, or know how to change it. Options are limited and carry huge risks: but it’s probably inevitable that we will be playing League 1 football next season. Anyone involved in pro football knows the score.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

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marko69 wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:34 pm
Great job though eh?

Quote: “Evans Won’t want to pay up his 3yr contract.”

You get paid even if you Fk up?! :lol: I’d like to land a 3yr contract at Hearts. Show up, practice feck all for an hour, then head home for some afternoon “Dave” channel. Hearts relegated, Marko paid in full. Sorted.

Sadly Marko that’s football management for you. In the football business there never appears to be any escape clause related to p*ss poor performance as there always is in any other management role in any other business. I guess that’s the pay back for a short term contract without any contractual employment protection.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

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herforder wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:09 pm
PH will reinforce his consistency of getting teams into League 1. If anyone seriously believes we will retain our Cship status then they’re seriously deluded. Things will not turn by this, or any future, Christmas. ME’s gamble is simply not going to work. He may not have the appetite to admit it, or know how to change it. Options are limited and carry huge risks: but it’s probably inevitable that we will be playing League 1 football next season. Anyone involved in pro football knows the score.
Good to see you posting hertforder! You may be right although not time throw in the towel yet. It's crazy that one win could get us out of bottom 3, At least temporarily. I think that says how bad some other teams are rather than us being anything to shout about as we still haven't won a game. I hope you are wrong in what you say but even the most optimistic would agree it's not looking good at this moment

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Re: My issue with Hurst

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herforder wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:09 pm
PH will reinforce his consistency of getting teams into League 1. If anyone seriously believes we will retain our Cship status then they’re seriously deluded. Things will not turn by this, or any future, Christmas. ME’s gamble is simply not going to work. He may not have the appetite to admit it, or know how to change it. Options are limited and carry huge risks: but it’s probably inevitable that we will be playing League 1 football next season. Anyone involved in pro football knows the score.
Where the hell have you been fella, welcome home. :wink:

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by Frosty » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:40 pm

Charnwood wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:12 pm
marko69 wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:34 pm
Great job though eh?

Quote: “Evans Won’t want to pay up his 3yr contract.”

You get paid even if you Fk up?! :lol: I’d like to land a 3yr contract at Hearts. Show up, practice feck all for an hour, then head home for some afternoon “Dave” channel. Hearts relegated, Marko paid in full. Sorted.

Sadly Marko that’s football management for you. In the football business there never appears to be any escape clause related to p*ss poor performance as there always is in any other management role in any other business. I guess that’s the pay back for a short term contract without any contractual employment protection.
I was pondering this yesterday, are you sure a contract wouldn't have clauses that said if 'X' at a minimum wasn't achieved then the owner could terminate?

it almost lends itself to complacency

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by marko69 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:55 pm

Can you imagine it happening in the building trade? :lol:

£250K contract to plumb and heat 10 Flats being refurbished......, £25K a flat....... on the first flat, no pipes installed, only half the radiators there, boiler falls off the wall....... main contractor decides enough is enough......, but the plumbing firm cash in the £250K! :lol:

Creating complacency is definitely correct.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

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marko69 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:55 pm
Can you imagine it happening in the building trade? :lol:

£250K contract to plumb and heat 10 Flats being refurbished......, £25K a flat....... on the first flat, no pipes installed, only half the radiators there, boiler falls off the wall....... main contractor decides enough is enough......, but the plumbing firm cash in the £250K! :lol:

Creating complacency is definitely correct.
Cash in the lot .... and then get still get work in the lower leagues of the plumbing world. And Roger Cook won’t investigate you as well.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by derick_ipsw » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:52 pm

ME could not afford to sack MM, im sure this time he would of been a bit more savy. PH would not get the full 3 years paid up that's for certain. At the most he will get 3 months severance. PH would of agreed to this happily because he is full of himself and would not expect to fail.

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Re: My issue with Hurst

Post by Dubai Blue » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:05 pm

Agree with Derick. For sure there would be a sliding scale for severance based on the length of time served, something like severance due to poor performance calculated base on term equal to that served or 1 year minimum or no severance within first 6 months or something like the above.

It might even be the case that ME gets away with no severance if he sacks him for poor performance (of course against a pre-agreed yardstick or poor performance like being in the bottom 3 for n continuous weeks) within a certain time, like 6 months. Now there's a thought........

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