Ipswich Town vs Brentford FC Preview & Matchday Thread

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For 'The Beat' ?

Ipswich Win
4
40%
Brentford Win
3
30%
Draw
3
30%
 
Total votes: 10

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Brentford FC Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Tangfastic » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:37 am

Charnwood wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:06 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:19 pm
Charnwood wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:06 pm


“Your gates”, ...says it all, obviously “not one of us” !
Live in Scotland now and was season ticket holder from 89-93. Followed Ipswich since then and have huge regard for the club and how it conducts itself. Occasionally visit Ipswich and always take in a match at Portman Road. Always watch ITFC matches when live on SKY. So yes, "one of you" but just from afar.
Doesn't mean my opinion is wrong ?.
Ipswich will pay a heavy price for losing MM.
VR, I guess we’re in the same boat in terms of following from afar and both limited to watching Town on Sky TV, although I do try to get to a handful of away games each year closer to my home in the East Midlands. Our only difference is I would still refer to “our gates” whereas you used the term “your gates”.
Your years as a season ticket holder are far more recent than mine which was 1975- 85 when I lived in Chelmsford & Colchester, since then I have been too far away to make home games viable although there was a time when I tried it regular from Leeds, Nottingham & Leicester, but each time it eventually wore me down.
Similar to you, although I never welcomed Mick McCarthy to Portman Road I eventually warmed to the bloke and appreciated both his effectiveness as a manager and his personality, although as time went on I despised the bloke and in particular his disrespect for the fans. In a way it was a shame for both parties that his relationship with the fans turned sours as he was very much a specialist Championship Manager, and had only ME invested in his talents I feel sure Town would now be in the Premier League, however that wasn’t to be after Evans had his fingers burnt by both Roy Keane and Paul Jewell.
When Town fans first started to turn against McCarthy I regularly warned “to be careful what you wished for” as there are few managers around as good as him at this level, however he did little himself to repair his relationship with the fans who in the end were happy to see the back of him.
Have we inproved since he left?.... probably not..... but when you read the comments from the guys who watch regularly, eg, Bluemike, Charlton & Tangfastic etc . they all seem perfectly happy.

Personally I’d rather be sitting 5th place in the table with a game in hand two points off top of the table as we were this time last season when the likes of Waghorn and Garner were more than happy to be playing for us and scoring goals for fun.

P GD Pts
1 Leeds 8 11 17
2 Wolves 8 5 17
3 Cardiff 8 5 17
4 Preston 8 6 15
5 Ipswich 7 4 15


Year on year Progress ?...... not from where I’m sitting.
Don’t think the comparisons after 8 games tell the whole picture when we have 46 games in a season.

Actually, a year ago we started to slide down the table after 7 or 8 games and the discontent re-emerged.

What are the issues here? Is it that we should never got rid of Mick McCarthy? Or that it was the right decision, but we picked the wrong manager?

Over Mick... he had to go. His time was up. Some of the fans were downright abusive and out of order, but Mick seemed to want to take them on and inflame the situation, meaning they was a growing number of disillusioned fans. He could have dealt with it far better IMO ( and not the isolated Norwich Foxtrot Oscar saga which never bothered me).
There’s no point in keeping an unhappy marriage going when it will just become more unhappier.

Over the PH appointment.... is 8 games enough to be able to confirm its a disastrous and wrong appointment? The last two games worry me due to the team selection and how we played. No pointing in hiding that. PH doesn’t become a magician overnight, nor does he become a bad manager overnight. I hope he holds his nerve, overlooks the last eight games and settles on a formation and a team of players and build from there.
I don’t think anyone is happy with this situation, but what’s the point of calling for the man’s head after 8 games? I definately think PH has made mistakes, but I’m just hoping he learns from them... and quickly. He’s had a decent, upward managerial career up to now over a number of clubs and number of years so let’s hope he starts getting some consistency in the team and putting points on the board.

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Brentford FC Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Bluemike » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:42 am

This time season before last Shrewsbury were pretty much bottom too I believe, patience is a virtue.

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Brentford FC Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Charnwood » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:31 am

tangfastic wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:37 am
Charnwood wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:06 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:19 pm

Live in Scotland now and was season ticket holder from 89-93. Followed Ipswich since then and have huge regard for the club and how it conducts itself. Occasionally visit Ipswich and always take in a match at Portman Road. Always watch ITFC matches when live on SKY. So yes, "one of you" but just from afar.
Doesn't mean my opinion is wrong ?.
Ipswich will pay a heavy price for losing MM.
VR, I guess we’re in the same boat in terms of following from afar and both limited to watching Town on Sky TV, although I do try to get to a handful of away games each year closer to my home in the East Midlands. Our only difference is I would still refer to “our gates” whereas you used the term “your gates”.
Your years as a season ticket holder are far more recent than mine which was 1975- 85 when I lived in Chelmsford & Colchester, since then I have been too far away to make home games viable although there was a time when I tried it regular from Leeds, Nottingham & Leicester, but each time it eventually wore me down.
Similar to you, although I never welcomed Mick McCarthy to Portman Road I eventually warmed to the bloke and appreciated both his effectiveness as a manager and his personality, although as time went on I despised the bloke and in particular his disrespect for the fans. In a way it was a shame for both parties that his relationship with the fans turned sours as he was very much a specialist Championship Manager, and had only ME invested in his talents I feel sure Town would now be in the Premier League, however that wasn’t to be after Evans had his fingers burnt by both Roy Keane and Paul Jewell.
When Town fans first started to turn against McCarthy I regularly warned “to be careful what you wished for” as there are few managers around as good as him at this level, however he did little himself to repair his relationship with the fans who in the end were happy to see the back of him.
Have we inproved since he left?.... probably not..... but when you read the comments from the guys who watch regularly, eg, Bluemike, Charlton & Tangfastic etc . they all seem perfectly happy.

Personally I’d rather be sitting 5th place in the table with a game in hand two points off top of the table as we were this time last season when the likes of Waghorn and Garner were more than happy to be playing for us and scoring goals for fun.

P GD Pts
1 Leeds 8 11 17
2 Wolves 8 5 17
3 Cardiff 8 5 17
4 Preston 8 6 15
5 Ipswich 7 4 15


Year on year Progress ?...... not from where I’m sitting.
Don’t think the comparisons after 8 games tell the whole picture when we have 46 games in a season.

Actually, a year ago we started to slide down the table after 7 or 8 games and the discontent re-emerged.

What are the issues here? Is it that we should never got rid of Mick McCarthy? Or that it was the right decision, but we picked the wrong manager?

Over Mick... he had to go. His time was up. Some of the fans were downright abusive and out of order, but Mick seemed to want to take them on and inflame the situation, meaning they was a growing number of disillusioned fans. He could have dealt with it far better IMO ( and not the isolated Norwich Foxtrot Oscar saga which never bothered me).
There’s no point in keeping an unhappy marriage going when it will just become more unhappier.

Over the PH appointment.... is 8 games enough to be able to confirm its a disastrous and wrong appointment? The last two games worry me due to the team selection and how we played. No pointing in hiding that. PH doesn’t become a magician overnight, nor does he become a bad manager overnight. I hope he holds his nerve, overlooks the last eight games and settles on a formation and a team of players and build from there.
I don’t think anyone is happy with this situation, but what’s the point of calling for the man’s head after 8 games? I definately think PH has made mistakes, but I’m just hoping he learns from them... and quickly. He’s had a decent, upward managerial career up to now over a number of clubs and number of years so let’s hope he starts getting some consistency in the team and putting points on the board.

You got it right second time Tang, yes it was time to get rid of Mick McCarthy the man brought it on himself, and yes in my opinion we picked the wrong manager. I’ve seen enough in 8 games to suggest I may be right in my judgement, however I’m not calling for his head and as I’d much prefer to see him turn it round and for our club to prosper without any unnecessary turmoil.

The point I make is that in my opinion Mick McCarthy was/is a far better Championship manager than I think Paul Hurst will ever be and clearly he had the respect of senior players who were happy to sign for and play for him. For example had MM stayed I’m sure Waggy would still be here and I doubt very much we’d be sitting at the bottom of the table right now. I also doubt vey much that MM would have been shopping around for players in League One which I think is the root of our current problem, in my opinion we have recruited too many players from the wrong level of playing experience and I blame Marcus Evans for this as much as I blame Paul Hurst.

I accept McCarthy had to go, but I don’t get all the hype over Paul Hursts exciting and refreshing brand of football.

Feel free to come back at me again, but at this stage you won’t convince me that I’ve got it wrong.

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Brentford FC Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by marko69 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:54 am

Charnwood wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:31 am
I also doubt vey much that MM would have been shopping around for players in League One which I think is the root of our current problem, ................................, and I blame Marcus Evans for this as much as I blame Paul Hurst
He certainly wouldn’t have been shopping in the Championship, that’s an absolute certainty.

No idea why you blame Paul Hurst. He said quite clearly in his 27 minute pre-season interview that the budget is well documented and he will need to do very well to work within those constraints.

Evans fault and no one else’s. Unless of course he missed out on some other League One (or L2 gems) which everyone and their dug doubts.

But Paul took on the challenge after his momentous time at Shrewsbury and he did know that there could be tough times. Did he realise the tough times would begin on day 1 and continue towards October?

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Brentford FC Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Charnwood » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:08 am

marko69 wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:54 am
Charnwood wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:31 am
I also doubt vey much that MM would have been shopping around for players in League One which I think is the root of our current problem, ................................, and I blame Marcus Evans for this as much as I blame Paul Hurst
He certainly wouldn’t have been shopping in the Championship, that’s an absolute certainty.

No idea why you blame Paul Hurst. He said quite clearly in his 27 minute pre-season interview that the budget is well documented and he will need to do very well to work within those constraints.

Evans fault and no one else’s. Unless of course he missed out on some other League One (or L2 gems) which everyone and their dug doubts.

But Paul took on the challenge after his momentous time at Shrewsbury and he did know that there could be tough times. Did he realise the tough times would begin on day 1 and continue towards October?
I thought I made it clear I blame ME as much as PH for the budget constraints impact on our transfer policy.

What I blame PH for is his continual changes in staring line up and failure to find a settled team. I know he has to deal with injuries and suspensions but his changes go well beyond this and to use 24 players in his first 6 games is absurd and provides no chance for the players to settle into a cohesive team.

His tinkering should be done on the practice ground, not on match days.

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Brentford FC Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Tangfastic » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:12 am

Trust me, Charnwood.... I’ve seen very little of Hurst’s exciting brand of football yet. There’s been some spells of nice football.... but nothing where we can say we’re a passing, stylish team. I’m not even sure that’s Hurst idea anyway.

Maybe when we have spells when we’re on top, we seem to pressuring higher up the pitch more than Mick. Looking for second phase balls higher up. But the spells when we’ve been on top have been few and far between. I wouldn’t say Hursts style is a million miles from Mick’s. Plenty of long balls, but now I think they’re trying to hit the channels more to make use of Jackson’s pace.

I have to say I’ve enjoyed the home games. There’s been some crap football, but we’ve been in the game at the end with a sniff of victory and there’s been some decent moments.

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Brentford FC Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by marko69 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:48 am

I was only referring to the transfer market, Charnwood. Nothing else.

I’ve also said on match days, on this forum, that Hurst is stumbling about looking quite desperate. That is most definitely his fault.

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Brentford FC Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Watership Down » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:46 pm

I do think Hurst's pedigree is coming under fire. How did Shrewsbury play last year.... attacking football or hoofball and hope. Not having seen them I wouldn't know his style of play or his team selection ethics. But he had better get it right very soon or the wolves will be circulating around.... there was a smattering of boos after the first half ended which suggests people are getting restless.

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Brentford FC Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by rossi » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:27 pm

Watership Down wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:46 pm
I do think Hurst's pedigree is coming under fire. How did Shrewsbury play last year.... attacking football or hoofball and hope. Not having seen them I wouldn't know his style of play or his team selection ethics. But he had better get it right very soon or the wolves will be circulating around.... there was a smattering of boos after the first half ended which suggests people are getting restless.
Well as far as how did Shrewsbury play last season goes - I did not watch any of their regular games, of course, but I did watch their play-off games in full. I thought they were well beaten by Rotherham, was not impressed at all by their style of play - one-dimensional and far too much hoofing and running around like headless chickens. For me, Warne looked to be a far better manager than PH.

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