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Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by hallamblue » Mon Dec 09, 2024 11:01 am

Unlikely to happen I know as I this would mean McKenna changing from his rigid way of thinking …. But why not try

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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by Bluemike » Mon Dec 09, 2024 11:05 am

Exactly what I put Saturday morning but not sure it'll happen

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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by hallamblue » Mon Dec 09, 2024 11:08 am

For Wolves game I’d go 3-5-2

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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by Ricco » Mon Dec 09, 2024 11:09 am

Easy to say now, but I believe I said before the season started too, if I were manager, I'd be playing 3 at the back this season. It is complicated by injuries to Tuanzebe and Greaves, plus the mysterious disappearance of Woolfenden, but we have to go there now.

Davis is not a great defender and Johnson and Clarke often struggle on the other side. Having 3 at the back allows us to push Davis forward more, he's our most creative player, we need him to have the freedom.

When seeing out a lead, we can drop 5 men behind the ball. When in the ascendency, Davis pushes up to be a left sided forward, which would allow Szmodics to drift in to the 10 slot where he is stronger. It's a flexible, and dare I say it, less predictable formation.

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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by Bluemike » Mon Dec 09, 2024 11:33 am

Add to that Johnson looked so good at RWB at spurs

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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by ITFC2024 » Mon Dec 09, 2024 11:47 am

Hindsight is 20/20 as they say, but I think we should have started the season with 3 CBs...and we should have recruited defenders accordingly. That's my main criticism of KM/Ashston's player recruitment for the PL. I said after we were promoted, KM will have to consider a more defensive approach to the PL, but he hasn't. Muric is also turning out to be a big mistake.

We've scored goals and created chances, but we just can't hold on to a lead. KM wants to play with wing backs going forward which is great, but you need defensive cover unless you have two "world class CBs" covering the wing backs.

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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by The Odious Mr Rossi » Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:13 pm

I've been banging on for at least the last 6 years about us playing 3-5-2 for the majority of games - closest we've ever come to it since George Burley was under MM who regularly played 4-4-2.

I very much doubt we'll ever see KM play it - actually it seems quite rare these days as only Southampton are playing it regularly in the PL and they're doing even worse than us. But I think it is the best fit for the players we have available.

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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by Ricco » Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:22 pm

rossi wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:13 pm
I very much doubt we'll ever see KM play it
Nope, no chance. 5 at the back is a big ask to get him to move to and it's a very similar system to what we play already. I'd happily bet good money that we will never see 2 start up top under McKenna.

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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by The Odious Mr Rossi » Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:43 pm

Ricco wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:22 pm
rossi wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:13 pm
I very much doubt we'll ever see KM play it
Nope, no chance. 5 at the back is a big ask to get him to move to and it's a very similar system to what we play already. I'd happily bet good money that we will never see 2 start up top under McKenna.
errmmm - we're asking for 3 at the back, not 5

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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by Ricco » Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:41 pm

rossi wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:43 pm
errmmm - we're asking for 3 at the back, not 5
errmmm no - it would be wing backs, Johnson and Davis would still be defenders first, midfielders second. That's unless you'd like to conceded double figures every week? The thread title is pondering three CBs, not three defenders.

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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by Bluemike » Mon Dec 09, 2024 5:08 pm

Can we play Two keepers?

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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by Ricco » Mon Dec 09, 2024 7:07 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 5:08 pm
Can we play Two keepers?
I think two keepers would still beat us :wink:

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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by Bluemike » Mon Dec 09, 2024 7:25 pm

Ricco wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 7:07 pm
Bluemike wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 5:08 pm
Can we play Two keepers?
I think two keepers would still beat us :wink:
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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by Mauswara » Mon Dec 09, 2024 9:39 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 5:08 pm
Can we play Two keepers?
Yes but only one of them is allowed to pick the ball up.

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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by The Odious Mr Rossi » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:20 am

Ricco wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:41 pm
rossi wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:43 pm
errmmm - we're asking for 3 at the back, not 5
errmmm no - it would be wing backs, Johnson and Davis would still be defenders first, midfielders second. That's unless you'd like to conceded double figures every week? The thread title is pondering three CBs, not three defenders.
It's still only 3 at the back though - wing backs cannot be perceived as a fixed defence role because they're not. Maybe you perceive a wing back as a defender first and foremost - I don't.

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Re: Time for three CB pairing ?

Post by shabba » Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:58 am

rossi wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:20 am
Ricco wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:41 pm
rossi wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:43 pm
errmmm - we're asking for 3 at the back, not 5
errmmm no - it would be wing backs, Johnson and Davis would still be defenders first, midfielders second. That's unless you'd like to conceded double figures every week? The thread title is pondering three CBs, not three defenders.
It's still only 3 at the back though - wing backs cannot be perceived as a fixed defence role because they're not. Maybe you perceive a wing back as a defender first and foremost - I don't.
I'd imagine it would be a 5 at the back without the ball (i.e when defending) and a 3 at the back when with the ball (attacking).

As said it worked well at Spurs, we had both Johnson and Axel defending alot, then Johnson would get forward when he could, i.e but no as much as if Burns etc was playing.

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