Premier League - Ipswich Town vs Manchester United Preview & Matchday Thread

[Blue Wilf]

Well Utd's new 'special one' will have his work cut out improving that shower - they were useless! Town on the other hand were exceptional to a man. I thought we bossed the first half and tired in the second but deserved to win. Morsy is so assured against any opposition, Delap was his usual hard to play against self, Cajuste class, defenders so determined and Omari really turned on the class! Talking of class, Rashford showed his usual lack of it with his goal celebration in my opinion...

A fab point and am disappointed not to have won but boy we play out hearts out. Onto Forest! COYB's!!

Hmmmm. A frustrating point maybe?

Maybe so but I would have bitten your hand off for it before kick off...

[Cabanas Blue]

I don't even know who the Ref was but he was excellent IMO, and no bookings

[marko69]

Well Utd's new 'special one' will have his work cut out improving that shower - they were useless! Town on the other hand were exceptional to a man. I thought we bossed the first half and tired in the second but deserved to win. Morsy is so assured against any opposition, Delap was his usual hard to play against self, Cajuste class, defenders so determined and Omari really turned on the class! Talking of class, Rashford showed his usual lack of it with his goal celebration in my opinion...

A fab point and am disappointed not to have won but boy we play out hearts out. Onto Forest! COYB's!!

Hmmmm. A frustrating point maybe?

Maybe so but I would have bitten your hand off for it before kick off...

I had it down for the win......, Kieron OUT!

[Bluemike]

Super performance today and the draw was the very least we deserved, we bossed the first half and looked the better side in the first 20 mins of second half before tiring, we definitely had the better chances and Muric barely a save to make.

Morsy again superb, Omari on fire and my MOTM, others who performed so well were O'Shea, Cajuste and Axel but in truth everyone did their bit again.

Four points from Two tough games is very encouraging and I'm convinced we'll be fine in this division if we continue to improve.

[patthegimp]

Onward and upward

[Charnwood]

I don't even know who the Ref was but he was excellent IMO, and no bookings

It was Anthony Taylor who can sometimes be annoying but today in my opinion was better than his normal self.

[Mauswara]

Yeah 103%, how does that work

VAR?

[Charnwood]

Super performance today and the draw was the very least we deserved, we bossed the first half and looked the better side in the first 20 mins of second half before tiring, we definitely had the better chances and Muric barely a save to make.

Morsy again superb, Omari on fire and my MOTM, others who performed so well were O'Shea, Cajuste and Axel but in truth everyone did their bit again.

Four points from Two tough games is very encouraging and I'm convinced we'll be fine in this division if we continue to improve.

I was disappointed the way we so easily conceded the first goal, had they not scored so early I’m convinced we’d have won that game comfortably.

[Bluemike]

It was without question yet another keeper blunder, he has to come for that, it's crazy, I guess this is what we have to expect every other week with him.

[TODD66]

It was without question yet another keeper blunder, he has to come for that, it's crazy, I guess this is what we have to expect every other week with him.

True but you can also question how Rashford arrived in the box totally unmolested to stab the ball in!

Caught napping all round which was unfortunate as we clearly then did enough to win if it wasn't for Onana being their best player on the day.

[Blue Wilf]

It was without question yet another keeper blunder, he has to come for that, it's crazy, I guess this is what we have to expect every other week with him.

True but you can also question how Rashford arrived in the box totally unmolested to stab the ball in!

Caught napping all round which was unfortunate as we clearly then did enough to win if it wasn't for Onana being their best player on the day.

Muric is 6 foot 8 or something and just HAS to make his presence known in the box and all too often, he fails to do so.

On another subject, as I was at the game I did not see the Sky coverage but it sounds like it was ridiculously one sided rubbish with them all lauding Amorim and MU all afternoon even though we were all over them for most of the game. Makes me sick

[AzzurroMark]

Danny Murphy was giving high praise to Delap on MOTD2, saying he could see him being the ideal eventual replacement for Kane in the England set up.
I must admit Liam definitely has something about his all-round game and not something I can recall seeing an equivalent of in an Ipswich shirt in recent years in the few games I have seen.

[valleyroad]

Danny Murphy was giving high praise to Delap on MOTD2, saying he could see him being the ideal eventual replacement for Kane in the England set up.
I must admit Liam definitely has something about his all-round game and not something I can recall seeing an equivalent of in an Ipswich shirt in recent years in the few games I have seen.

Delap sums up the quality of McKenna's recruitment which i think has been superb.
Really is an outstanding talent of a coach who I doubt Town will be able to hold onto for too much longer.

[hallamblue]

Sky pundits are so biased though.. apparently Delaps quality / form is down to the fact he's an ex Man City player. Absolutely no recognition of the players transformation since he's joined Town and been under OUR coaching staff.

Sky pundits could barely bring themselves to even mention Town such was there nauseating gush over MU. There summary of Towns performance yesterday, was restricted to Delap only, and they talked about as a Man City player, not an Ipswich player.

I bloody hate Sky and their so called big club bias.

[hallamblue]

It was without question yet another keeper blunder, he has to come for that, it's crazy, I guess this is what we have to expect every other week with him.

Muric's attempt to "save" Rashfords goal was to bop find on one knee . He should have bern throwing himself onto that ball and smothering it. Because he waited yo " scoop and collect " the ball Radhford nipped in and scored. Pathetic keeping. I'm getting fed up of his blunders which are almost 100% unforced errors. Ditch him now.

[arana peligrosa]

Wouldn't Delap feature or qualify for the ROI if selected. Viewed highlights, their opening goal on two minutes was soft. Muric appeared to do better, it were a lame goal to give away. We scored a far better one to take a point from it and in fact could or should have won it over course of 90 minutes but on the face of it many would ideally have taken a point from it before start of play. Still frustrating after the event not to have done so.

Their 'wonder' save, thought it more opportunist reflex than credible block but half the time the ball goes in while others any save or prevention of goal comes to pass. It were good to see a clean game with minimal ref intervention which would explain why little additional time was included to it. Took a moment to focus on the entire squad of the opposition line-up and one or two names apart could not recognize any players they possess, it's just too far detached from years back or when they were even successful a relative short few years ago.

Would have been great to win with what would have been successive victories over them and Spurs, more people would have taken notice but we matched them largely throughout and were never disgraced. All right no home wins are ours back since start of play in August but signs were there once again that with enough players match fit and available and with the right attitude and determination we can feasibly gain enough points by end of season to retain top league status. There's going to be worse club names in this league over course of nine months in which we can survive.

[Charnwood]

It was without question yet another keeper blunder, he has to come for that, it's crazy, I guess this is what we have to expect every other week with him.

True but you can also question how Rashford arrived in the box totally unmolested to stab the ball in!

Caught napping all round which was unfortunate as we clearly then did enough to win if it wasn't for Onana being their best player on the day.

Muric is 6 foot 8 or something and just HAS to make his presence known in the box and all too often, he fails to do so.

On another subject, as I was at the game I did not see the Sky coverage but it sounds like it was ridiculously one sided rubbish with them all lauding Amorim and MU all afternoon even though we were all over them for most of the game. Makes me sick

I watched it on American tv and they certainly weren’t lauding Amorim and Man Utd throughout the game, quite the opposite in fact lauding Ipswich and how well we played. The only focus on Amorim was after the final whistle and how much work he had to do.
I’m not sure I’d put all the blame on Muric either, how the f*ck Dallio was allowed to skip past two defenders to get his cross in is beyond me and who was meant to be marking Rashford cos it wasn’t Muric.

[Ricco]

Cajuste went to ground because he can't resist a slide tackle. If he stayed on his feet, he holds that attack up and it very likely would have come to nothing. I'm sure McKenna will be pointing that out to him pretty emphatically. I don't care how good he's been, it was a major error.

[marko69]

True but you can also question how Rashford arrived in the box totally unmolested to stab the ball in!

Caught napping all round which was unfortunate as we clearly then did enough to win if it wasn't for Onana being their best player on the day.

Muric is 6 foot 8 or something and just HAS to make his presence known in the box and all too often, he fails to do so.

On another subject, as I was at the game I did not see the Sky coverage but it sounds like it was ridiculously one sided rubbish with them all lauding Amorim and MU all afternoon even though we were all over them for most of the game. Makes me sick

I watched it on American tv and they certainly weren’t lauding Amorim and Man Utd throughout the game, quite the opposite in fact lauding Ipswich and how well we played. The only focus on Amorim was after the final whistle and how much work he had to do.
I’m not sure I’d put all the blame on Muric either, how the f*ck Dallio was allowed to skip past two defenders to get his cross in is beyond me and who was meant to be marking Rashford cos it wasn’t Muric.

Have to say, for me, and for many, ....., that Manure goal is on Muric 8 days out of the 7 day week. Regardless of the defenders, (yes they should've done better)....., but that was a nothing ball into the box. Muric at oil tanker speed to make an attempt to collect.

[Charnwood]

Muric is 6 foot 8 or something and just HAS to make his presence known in the box and all too often, he fails to do so.

On another subject, as I was at the game I did not see the Sky coverage but it sounds like it was ridiculously one sided rubbish with them all lauding Amorim and MU all afternoon even though we were all over them for most of the game. Makes me sick

I watched it on American tv and they certainly weren’t lauding Amorim and Man Utd throughout the game, quite the opposite in fact lauding Ipswich and how well we played. The only focus on Amorim was after the final whistle and how much work he had to do.
I’m not sure I’d put all the blame on Muric either, how the f*ck Dallio was allowed to skip past two defenders to get his cross in is beyond me and who was meant to be marking Rashford cos it wasn’t Muric.

Have to say, for me, and for many, ....., that Manure goal is on Muric 8 days out of the 7 day week. Regardless of the defenders, (yes they should've done better)....., but that was a nothing ball into the box. Muric at oil tanker speed to make an attempt to collect.

I didn’t say he was blameless Marko, I just said he wasn’t alone in being at fault. Dallio’s assist was absolutely inch perfect albeit somebody should have been around to put in a tackle, and Rashfords finish whilst equally good but not a central defender even close enough to put him off let alone put in a challenge. To be honest I don’t think we’d even settled into the game and to a man we simply weren’t ready for them.
Just as we’re having to learn how to see games out especially through added time we equally have to learn how to be on our metal straight from the off as yesterday was the third time we’ve conceded a goal in the opening minutes.

[Bluemike]

It is true Cajuste should have done much better with the sliding tackle, however, he tried to at least produce a tackle, yes he mistimed it, then we have the goon in goal who made no attempt at all to do anything, chalk and cheese for me.

We can go on defending and making excuses for Muric all we like, the fact is every other week he's a liability, good game, bad game, good game, bad game, that just doesn't cut it for me I'm afraid. I so want to like him and see him succeed but his reputation when we signed him hasn't changed and it's proving correct.

I would love to see Walton moved on in January and a new number One arrive with Muric as back up, not sure it will happen but it bloody needs to while we are still in touch. I genuinely think we can stay up but every point is vital, I don't buy all this " yes but he's won us a few points" it's his bloody job after all. And let's not get into the subject of his distribution, most of the time it's woeful.

[marko69]

I suppose other than goals like Omari’s , all goals have blame attached in some form. Someone has to be at fault when it’s rewound and watched. Cajuste (or Kaaa Yoos) definitely made an error in not sticking to the man down the line; first two mins, plenty of energy so he could’ve done that……. And he risked an early yellow card had the Manure player collapsed like he’d had a seizure.
Tracking O’Shea with his Damien Delaney “what the fk am i doing” antics, he could be at blame too. In fact Muric may be watching O’Shea at that moment and thinking, “Rashford is behind you! WTF you doing?” ….. which proceeded to make him lose the ability to bend down at the waist!
Reckon its correct to say that no one was settled into the game yet. Ipswich very clearly got settled immediately after. Should’ve won the game 4-1 minimum but Onana was on the “laced” juice.

[Blue Wilf]

Yes it is hard to blame one player but Muric does it regularly - too regularly for a Prem keeper in my view. He is not great with it at his feet and as Mike says, his distribution is awful. Yes he makes some great blocks but thats what he should do!
I am sure he won't be changed but he is deffo a liability...

[Bluemike]

Yeah I get that Marko, every goal can probably be attributed to someone, but what when it becomes, 5, 6 7, etc ? Woolfenden certainly wouldn't have kept his place, in fact he hasn't and didn't really cost us a goal this season, others struggle to produce and lose their place, Harry Clarke, Jack Clarke, Burns, Burgess prior to Greaves injury, nobody should be exempt.

[marko69]

Totally agree. The “good game, bad game” will get the club relegated.
Got to believe that Walton maybe isn’t pulling up trees in training.

[Bluemike]

I don't believe Walton is the long term answer either which is why I'd love us to go for a new keeper in January, don't see it happening though.

[mendipblue]

It is true Cajuste should have done much better with the sliding tackle, however, he tried to at least produce a tackle, yes he mistimed it, then we have the goon in goal who made no attempt at all to do anything, chalk and cheese for me.

We can go on defending and making excuses for Muric all we like, the fact is every other week he's a liability, good game, bad game, good game, bad game, that just doesn't cut it for me I'm afraid. I so want to like him and see him succeed but his reputation when we signed him hasn't changed and it's proving correct.

I would love to see Walton moved on in January and a new number One arrive with Muric as back up, not sure it will happen but it bloody needs to while we are still in touch. I genuinely think we can stay up but every point is vital, I don't buy all this " yes but he's won us a few points" it's his bloody job after all. And let's not get into the subject of his distribution, most of the time it's woeful.

When Muric starts trying to play out from the back it fills me with dread. He does make the odd world class save and does collect a lot of crosses to his credit. But there is always that fear there is definitely a mistake waiting to happen.
I am still baffled why Hladky was not made a better offer to stay. His distribution was excellent and he had been very solid in the Championship promotion season.

[Bluemike]

Spot on with both points, it's baffling with Hladky for sure

[Charnwood]

Spot on with both points, it's baffling with Hladky for sure

Hladky was never a Premier League keeper, he was another who made numerous errors playing out from the back and given the speed of some of the players in the prem, mistakes he got away with in the Championship would be punished at this level. I think both he and McKenna were well aware of his limitations and here we are now and he can’t even get get a start at Burnley. In my opinion we should stop thinking about Hladky and move on.

[Bluemike]

I don't think Hladky made very many errors at all tbh, and he certainly didn't give away possession at every opportunity. If he wasn't a Premier League keeper then God knows what we've got now.