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by valleyroad » Tue May 20, 2025 12:16 pm
hallamblue wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 9:19 am
Delap apparently in talks with Man Utd.... Get it done , get shot of him...
Just about sums him up tbh . Zero respect for him now. Wonder how much input for this decision has come from McKenna ?
What the heck has Delap done ?
What the heck has McKenna go to do with it. If its advice then I'm sure it is sound advice.
He has been outstanding for Town this season, the one player who has really stepped up out of the whole squad.
What an opportunity it would be for him to go to Utd in a rebuild phase and make a name for himself.
Why zero respect, seriously ?
For me Delap has nothing to be sorry for and should leave with the best wishes by all Town supporters and thanked for his contribution
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by Shed on tour » Tue May 20, 2025 12:26 pm
With regards to Delap does anybody know if we can add a sell on clause or is it a case of the £30million buy out clause is all we are going to get?
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by hallamblue » Tue May 20, 2025 12:29 pm
Hes had HALF a season where hed hit the ground running/. The PL defenders sussed him out and hes done virtually nothing since the half way point in the season. Hes a young player with "potential" that's all. Nothing is yet realised. Frankly the hype surrounding him is ridiculous! He certainly isnt a team player. Spends most of his time taking the dive and squaring up to opponents. Hes got nearly as many yellow cards as he has goals.
Town gave him his chance and have coached him to the level he is atm . He clearly cant wait to jump ship , and make his packet. So much for loyalty. It'll be interesting to see how he does at a so called bigger club., If is Man Utd, well, LOL , a completed basket case of a club and he'll need to"learn" pretty damn quick because his new club will be expecting a ROI ..... He'd have done better to stay with us another year and get more games ( guaranteed under Mckenna) , more experience and develop further . He do little of that sat on a bench at a PL Club. Hes a million miles form being a senior England striker, as he has only one facet to his game currently . Head down run at the defence with the ball. If he gets his shot of its a had one , either back of the net or row Z ... There's not much else to his game atm.
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by hallamblue » Tue May 20, 2025 12:30 pm
Shed on tour wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 12:26 pm
With regards to Delap does anybody know if we can add a sell on clause or is it a case of the £30million buy out clause is all we are going to get?
The only thing I hope and pray is the smug look on Ashton's face when he said "this club is very well protected?", means there's a hefty sell on clause ... But who know ...
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by Cabanas Blue » Tue May 20, 2025 12:43 pm
hallamblue wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 12:29 pm
Hes had HALF a season where hed hit the ground running/. The PL defenders sussed him out and hes done virtually nothing since the half way point in the season. Hes a young player with "potential" that's all. Nothing is yet realised. Frankly the hype surrounding him is ridiculous! He certainly isnt a team player. Spends most of his time taking the dive and squaring up to opponents. Hes got nearly as many yellow cards as he has goals.
Town gave him his chance and have coached him to the level he is atm . He clearly cant wait to jump ship , and make his packet. So much for loyalty. It'll be interesting to see how he does at a so called bigger club., If is Man Utd, well, LOL , a completed basket case of a club and he'll need to"learn" pretty damn quick because his new club will be expecting a ROI ..... He'd have done better to stay with us another year and get more games ( guaranteed under Mckenna) , more experience and develop further . He do little of that sat on a bench at a PL Club. Hes a million miles form being a senior England striker, as he has only one facet to his game currently . Head down run at the defence with the ball. If he gets his shot of its a had one , either back of the net or row Z ... There's not much else to his game atm.
Word.
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by shabba » Tue May 20, 2025 2:27 pm
Shed on tour wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 12:26 pm
With regards to Delap does anybody know if we can add a sell on clause or is it a case of the £30million buy out clause is all we are going to get?
Highly unlikely, if someone pays us £30m upfront, then thats all there is to it.
*IF* a club wanted to pay installments then its effectively not meeting the release clause and treated like any other transfer negotiation. Sometimes you see situations where a club might agree to pay £33m for player with a 30m clause if they can pay over 3 years, maybe then you could insert a sell on but you really aren't in a strong bargaining position.
We just need to accept Delap will go and £30m will arrive in our account and we move on. I certainly will not bash him, he has been great, done well and is still learning, nothing but good luck to the guy and thanks for the memories/goals and giving it a hell of a go.
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by Bluemike » Tue May 20, 2025 2:31 pm
shabba wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 2:27 pm
Shed on tour wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 12:26 pm
With regards to Delap does anybody know if we can add a sell on clause or is it a case of the £30million buy out clause is all we are going to get?
Highly unlikely, if someone pays us £30m upfront, then thats all there is to it.
*IF* a club wanted to pay installments then its effectively not meeting the release clause and treated like any other transfer negotiation. Sometimes you see situations where a club might agree to pay £33m for player with a 30m clause if they can pay over 3 years, maybe then you could insert a sell on but you really aren't in a strong bargaining position.
We just need to accept Delap will go and £30m will arrive in our account and we move on. I certainly will not bash him, he has been great, done well and is still learning, nothing but good luck to the guy and thanks for the memories/goals and giving it a hell of a go.
WORD.
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by ITFC2024 » Tue May 20, 2025 9:18 pm
Delap was our stand out player, and I’m sorry to say he deserves more. He needs to be in an environment where he can grow even more. He was the only highlight of the season in my opinion, and I wish him the best of luck with his career.
Just wanted to add, it would probably be a smart move for any club who gets Delap to send him out on loan.
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by ITFC2024 » Tue May 20, 2025 9:20 pm
The Odious Mr Rossi wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 10:45 am
ITFC2024 wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 8:52 pm
If KM stays the recruitment needs to focus on players who can execute his game plan. For example, athletic WBs who can attack swicthand defend, midfielders who can create a connection with the forwards as well as cover the defence. We’ll need CBs comfortable distributing the ball out from the back who can also defend corners and set pieces. We’ll need forwards who can finish their chances and be physical. We’ll need any goalkeeper other than Muric. And finally, we’ll need a #9 who can score regularly.
OR - and its a bit radical

but KM could always change his game plan to one which the players he has at his disposal are able to execute. Why should the many change to the one, surely the one should change to the many?
I liken the current situation to a platoon marching - KM is leading with his right foot whereas the rest of the platoon is leading with their left, and yet KM is maintaining that he is the one marching in step and the rest of the platoon are out of step.
Reminds me of the Bataan Death March!

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by arana peligrosa » Tue May 20, 2025 10:02 pm
Without Delap's goals and contributions this season we'd be at risk of finishing last place behind Southampton. No other players in the team at least in a forward attacking capacity could, or have, got so many. He's still contracted here for another 2 or 3 years if correct but pity is just feel his future lies elsewhere. Even now not sure how much we actually paid to bring him on board but even after such a poor ineffective season you got to imagine it were money well spent. A player like that could or will be instrumental (again) to us in the Championship league from August.
As an aside read comment quite recent from either here or TWTD that Palmer has turned out to be a worse acquisition than Muric. Yes fine he's conceded a few goals after a promising start but to suggest he's a less dedicated or reliable player than the other, that's kind of bizarre.
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by hallamblue » Wed May 21, 2025 8:34 am
On the question of what Town will get when Delap leaves, I saw somewhere that MC has a £40m buyout clause( not sure how that works. Does that mean if they decide they want him back they have to pay £40m which is more than the current opt out clause?), and also they would get 20% of any profit we make above our initial £20m outlay to buy him.
So on that basis we will get our £20m back, plus £8m. If ive got my sums right?! Not much for the hottest property in football is it and yet more evidence that we've literally given him away by agreeing with the agent to install that relegation clause.
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by shabba » Wed May 21, 2025 8:37 am
hallamblue wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 8:34 am
On the question of what Town will get when Delap leaves, I saw somewhere that MC has a £40m buyout clause( not sure how that works. Does that mean if they decide they want him back they have to pay £40m which is more than the current opt out clause?), and also they would get 20% of any profit we make above our initial £20m outlay to buy him.
So on that basis we will get our £20m back, plus £8m. If ive got my sums right?! Not much for the hottest property in football is it and yet more evidence that we've literally given him away by agreeing with the agent to install that relegation clause.
Probably more likely 40m was the clause if we stay up, 30m if we go down, would be odd if city had to pay more than other teams, as literally burnley could sign him for 30m then and just sell to city for 35m for a quick 5m for each club. (I.e as a agreement knowing Burnley wouldnt attract delap).
As said earlier just take it at the 30m price, yes there may be a sell on too, which as you say makes it an even worse deal. I'm sure the club have learned from it.
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by Bluemike » Wed May 21, 2025 9:14 am
It dropped to 30 with relegation
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by Bluemike » Wed May 21, 2025 9:15 am
shabba wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 8:37 am
hallamblue wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 8:34 am
On the question of what Town will get when Delap leaves, I saw somewhere that MC has a £40m buyout clause( not sure how that works. Does that mean if they decide they want him back they have to pay £40m which is more than the current opt out clause?), and also they would get 20% of any profit we make above our initial £20m outlay to buy him.
So on that basis we will get our £20m back, plus £8m. If ive got my sums right?! Not much for the hottest property in football is it and yet more evidence that we've literally given him away by agreeing with the agent to install that relegation clause.
Probably more likely 40m was the clause if we stay up, 30m if we go down, would be odd if city had to pay more than other teams, as literally burnley could sign him for 30m then and just sell to city for 35m for a quick 5m for each club. (I.e as a agreement knowing Burnley wouldnt attract delap).
As said earlier just take it at the 30m price, yes there may be a sell on too, which as you say makes it an even worse deal. I'm sure the club have learned from it.
There was nothing to learn, if we wanted him that was Man City's terms
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by hallamblue » Wed May 21, 2025 10:03 pm
Man utd lose to Spurs so no champions league for them next season. Nor should there be, both Spurs and Man Utd are poor, but I wonder if thatll mean Delap wont now be going to Man Utd?
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by shabba » Thu May 22, 2025 12:00 pm
Forest eyeing Davis apparently, not sure anyone would mind too much but what fee would you want? £15m+?
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by Bluemike » Thu May 22, 2025 12:40 pm
Snap their hands off at 15M
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by hallamblue » Fri May 23, 2025 1:01 pm
I see Cresswell has said hes going to continue playing after he leaves Wet Spam ..... I know hes the wrong side ofv30 but foes anyone else feel he could do a job for us in the CC if we sold Davis?
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by Bluemike » Fri May 23, 2025 2:08 pm
Luongo being released.
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by shabba » Fri May 23, 2025 3:12 pm
hallamblue wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 1:01 pm
I see Cresswell has said hes going to continue playing after he leaves Wet Spam ..... I know hes the wrong side ofv30 but foes anyone else feel he could do a job for us in the CC if we sold Davis?
Nah. He is a left sided CB in a back three for a long time now. He isn’t the dynamic left back we need for next season.
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by hallamblue » Fri May 23, 2025 10:25 pm
Lol, I think I've just read somewhere Cunha has done a U turn on joining Man Utd.... no doubt Delap will do exactly the same. Fickle bunch these modern day footballers aren't they. Glory hunters.
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by Mauswara » Fri May 23, 2025 11:52 pm
Bluemike wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 2:08 pm
Luongo being released.
I have a lot of time for Massimo, he didn't get much of a show at the PL but he was great to have in the squad for the two promotion seasons partnering Morsy in midfield.
Wonder where he'll end up, he's too good for the A-League, or too young, but if he ever fancied joining Tommy Smith out here we'll make him very welcome.
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by shabba » Sat May 24, 2025 7:52 am
hallamblue wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 10:25 pm
Lol, I think I've just read somewhere Cunha has done a U turn on joining Man Utd.... no doubt Delap will do exactly the same. Fickle bunch these modern day footballers aren't they. Glory hunters.
You’re looking at this as a fan not as them, it’s a short career, they need to try and make the best moves they can. You could also argue Utd have to pull out due to a £80-100m less they’ll now have for next season due to missing out on the champions league.
In my view it’s harsh calling them glory hunters and fickle, they have every right to do what’s best for them and their families.
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by hallamblue » Sat May 24, 2025 10:40 am
I hear this crap so often! No one has a “ job for life” anymore. So why should footballers be any different?
By and large they get paid sn extortionate level of money for kicking a ball about. No real responsibility, no real pressures in life because they’re so well off ( millionaires), they’re so far removed from you or I in lifestyle,(it’s very privileged frankly), so sorry, but I really don’t but this short career sh*t. Delap, snd probably the majority of the Town squad are already set up for life and under 35yrs of age, and they’ve been active in the game for probably less than half the amount of years most of us in here hsvd worked already!
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by The Odious Mr Rossi » Sat May 24, 2025 11:14 am
hallamblue wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 10:40 am
I hear this crap so often! No one has a “ job for life” anymore. So why should footballers be any different?
By and large they get paid sn extortionate level of money for kicking a ball about. No real responsibility, no real pressures in life because they’re so well off ( millionaires), they’re so far removed from you or I in lifestyle,(it’s very privileged frankly), so sorry, but I really don’t but this short career sh*t. Delap, snd probably the majority of the Town squad are already set up for life and under 35yrs of age, and they’ve been active in the game for probably less than half the amount of years most of us in here hsvd worked already!
They are indeed extremely fortunate to have been born with a particular gift for which the financial rewards are way out of proportion compared with people gifted in other areas.
However, consider that anybody earning £1M per year will likely lose almost half of that to the tax man. HMRC have tightened things up considerably over the last 5 years or so, and there are nowhere near the number of loopholes that there used to be. OK, £500K per year net is not to be sniffed at, but it puts things into better perspective.
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by shabba » Sat May 24, 2025 11:40 am
Sorry this does 'urk' me a bit - yes they earn big money but they are the cream of the crop, they are the top few percent, if you were the top few percent of any industry you'd be earning decent money, and football is a highly paid popular industry.
None of them would be at this level just on talent, they will be dedicated and will have worked very hard - not just turn up somewhere - get by and go home. You need alot more to be at this level, and there are sacrifices - can't really drink, go out with your mates much, always working weekends, never around at Xmas etc. yes the trade off is a huge salary but frankly alot of these guys would do it for 10% of the money, they just get paid the market rate which is a big amount now.
They are under alot of pressure, from fans but also from their families, inc probably any relatives and such. Its a 15 year career and youve likely not got any skills outside of football so feesible you would have to try and earn 50 years of wages in that period.
I just don't think people see it from the players side sometimes, its almost like social media where you only see the highs and you dont see the lows, the graft, the dedication. I think 1% of academy players make it to the PL.
Rossi alspo makes a good point re tax too.
Sorry to drag this off topic! When are we linked with 2 new beasts midfielers......
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by ashfordblue » Mon May 26, 2025 3:50 pm
shabba wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 3:12 pm
hallamblue wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 1:01 pm
I see Cresswell has said hes going to continue playing after he leaves Wet Spam ..... I know hes the wrong side ofv30 but foes anyone else feel he could do a job for us in the CC if we sold Davis?
Nah. He is a left sided CB in a back three for a long time now. He isn’t the dynamic left back we need for next season.
Sorry Shabba but Cresswell is an LB as he was with us prior to selling him on
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by shabba » Mon May 26, 2025 3:56 pm
Recently he played more as a LCB in a back three, both under Moyes and now with Potter.
He is versatile- and could still play LB but in my view he isn’t what we need on that position, too old and not enough pace.
He could arguably have been a lot make suited to playing LB for us this season - but next season we will want a more dynamic and attacking LB again.
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by mugen1 » Mon May 26, 2025 4:45 pm
Stick him at lb and play Leif left midfield. Job jobbed!