MM plea to fans

derick_ipsw · Post by **derick_ipsw** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:51 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29987443 He has a point.

Andym · Post by **Andym** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:35 pm

He has a point, but we had a run of several games where we lost points or looked like we would. It looked like (repeatedly) bad tactics, and I'd far prefer us trying to play football. No need to bust a gut, but sitting back doesn't seem to work for Ipswich. I was relieved on Saturday that we scored so late, so we didn't have to endure so long.

On the plus side, it was far better than our Norfolk neighbours who lost on Saturday going after a late win after being pegged back.

TractorBoys91 · Post by **TractorBoys91** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:01 pm

AGREE 100% , THIRD OF THE WAY THROUGH THE SEASON WE SIT 2 POINTS OFF THE TOP OF THE LEAGUE.

ANYONE WHO BOO'S NOW, THIS WEEK, OR 2 MONTHS DOWN THE LINE, IMO ISN'T A TRUE FAN.

GET BEHIND THE LADS, WE'RE CLOSING TO A FASCINATING CLIMAX OF A SEASON NOW THAN WE HAVE BEEN FOR 6+ YEARS.

COYB's... I for one, believe.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:13 pm

Understand fully where MM is coming from - aiming to create a strong bond from top to bottom, capable of sticking together whatever happens on the pitch. A tad naive perhaps, given that fans everywhere can be notoriously fickle; although I can't see how booing - usually by a small minority - helps the team in any way when things aren't going well. However, nothing succeeds like success, and right now we're enjoying it in spades. Let's hope today's feel good factor is strong enough to survive contact with next 'wobble', if or when it happens.

Post by **Bluemike** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:38 pm

I couldnt agree with him more, some of the fickle fans we have are embarrassing at times, we get a fair few on here too. People need to look at the bigger picture sometimes and not just the result, it was like when we went Five without a win, we still only lost once and as I said at the time it is all part of a 1 defeat in 13 game run, have patience and be consistent, we want the players to be consistent so fans need to practice what they preach.

Post by **Charnwood** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:22 pm

Look no further than The City Ground Nottingham where the fans are amazing and far more tolerant than anywhere else I've ever experienced. Part of it is probably the relationship and respect they have for Stuart Pearce which is quite exceptional although there's no reason why we shouldn't have similar respect for MM.

On Saturday at half time when Forest were losing 0-1 at home to Norwich, not playing well and ten games without a win, home fans in many grounds may have boo'd when players went off the field at half time, but not at Forest. The players were cheered off and on the field as they came back and at no time did the home fans show any signs of frustration and really were the teams 12th man and played their part in Forests win.

I absolutely love this about Forest fans and whilst I'm sure it happens elsewhere I've never really experienced it anywhere else first hand.

Ohiotractorboy · Post by **Ohiotractorboy** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:24 pm

Wow. I have never seen Town in the top 6 of the table, and people are still booing?

MM has this team playing the best football I have seen (heard) the play. I have been to stay low key until the beginning of the year as the second half starts, but it is hard not to be optimistic at this point!

Shed on tour · Post by **Shed on tour** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:02 pm

As I've said before imo the majority of Town fans have been very tolerant since our relegation from the Premiership. I have no doubt that at some other clubs the reaction from supporters would have been far worse.

As for people being fickle well this happens all the time. The number of people who have said to me "I couldn't give a shyte about England and why do you waste your money on following them"? Yet several have already asked me what are the chances of them getting tickets for Euro 2016 in France if England qualify. Now that really does my head in!

Andym · Post by **Andym** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:52 pm

While I have never booed my team at a footy match, I do think there is a difference between booing the team or an individual during a game and venting frustration at the end when poor tactics appear to have let us down. It is frustrating to watch us try to sit on a lead week after week and see it fail quite regularly. Like I say, I wouldn't boo even at the end of a game, but MM is very naïve to think fans who pay his wages will keep quiet when he has thrown points away.

We will win some, we will draw some and we will lose some. But if - and it's a big if - we are going to make the top 6, we really can't throw away points by being negative and defensive for 20 minutes. It's fine if we're good enough to do it, but realistically most of us know we can't. I can't find any stats but I bet that this season, like last season, we have drawn and lost more from winning positions than we have drawn or won from losing positions. And if I am right, that suggests some poor decision making.

Post by **Bluemike** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:59 pm

The argument doesnt stack up, this season we have picked up points against Birmingham, Derby and Sheff Wed from losing positions while we have dropped points after being ahead against Forest, Blackburn, Cardiff and Huddersfield so hardly anything in it.

Post by **marko69** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:06 am

This type of discussion is not about the football club anymore, ......, yes it's about fans perceptions, but MAINLY it's about the individuals themselves. One sees the optimism , and one is (and please correct me if I'm wrong, Andy) in general, pessimistic. I can say this because both of you went to the same game, both of you ain't spring chickens, both of you know your stuff, but both of you see things almost completely differently. Hopefully it doesn't get heated because that's what bores the tits off everyone.

For example, I'm was a "no win in 5" thinker as opposed to a "one defeat in 11". I had the pleasure of speaking with a colleague of my sister at the weekend, a psychologist at Edinburghs Royal Infirmary. I brought the conversation of football up and that very scenario of there being two statements regarding the club, ie, no W in 5, one L in 11. The simple answer is that there is no "correct" answer due to each individual being mentally different. Mick McCarthy saying "no W in 5" may damage the confidence of one individual, but could spur on another. Letting the players know it's only one L in 11 is keeping the peace, mentally. It's all about Mick knowing his players, and how to get the best out of them. I'd bet he's used some "kick as*" on some of them.

Post by **Charnwood** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:10 am

In my opinion it's Mick's job to create the Psycology of Winning within the team including motivation, self belief and positive thinking. What the fans can do is create atmosphere & passion where the ground becomes intimidating for visitors and drives the home team on like having an extra player.

Some grounds are renowned for it and players love playing there and produce their best results whilst playing at home and often struggle away where they miss the drive of home support.

In contrast there will be stadiums where fans produce negative atmosphere's, players hate playing there and often produce better results and performances when playing away from home, White Hart Lane is a current prime example of this and as a result Spurs have lost more home games than they have playing away. Portman Road has been like this on ocassions, I think the last time was in Roy Keane's era.

All I think Mick is asking for, is for Town fans to become more passionate and help create an atmosphere that makes a fortress at Portman Road which drives the team on and intimidates visitors. For this to happen though it has to last for the full 90 mins plus, not just when we're in front. In fact it's even more important when we're behind.

Andym · Post by **Andym** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:15 am

Charnwood wrote:
All I think Mick is asking for, is for Town fans to become more passionate and help create an atmosphere that makes a fortress at Portman Road which drives the team on and intimidates visitors. For this to happen though it has to last for the full 90 mins plus, not just when we're in front. In fact it's even more important when we're behind.

I wouldn't argue with this at all. But I thought MM's anger was about a reaction after the game was over rather than during the 90 minutes.

Post by **Charnwood** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:40 am

Andym wrote:
Charnwood wrote:
All I think Mick is asking for, is for Town fans to become more passionate and help create an atmosphere that makes a fortress at Portman Road which drives the team on and intimidates visitors. For this to happen though it has to last for the full 90 mins plus, not just when we're in front. In fact it's even more important when we're behind.
I wouldn't argue with this at all. But I thought MM's anger was about a reaction after the game was over rather than during the 90 minutes.

I'm sure you're right andy and I've probably drifted a little off line. However if fans gave the sort of backing I'm talking about MM would not have got boo'd at the end by anybody.

I know I've said it before, but the Forest fans were amazing on Saturday against Norwich especially at half time when their team was 0-1 down at home and no wins in ten...... I'm not convinced a section of town fans wouldn't have boo'd the team off at half time which would have made the players even more jittery in the second half and lessened the chance of a fight back.

I guess the reality is, confident players play better than nervous players and fans can make players nervy.

Post by **Bluemike** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:36 pm

Call me strange but the clue is in the word "Supporter" thick and thin and all that. It doesnt matter one iota to me if it was before, during or after a game, the numpty that saw fit to give MM stick after conceding a late goal to Huddersfield is quite frankly a tit in my eyes and yes I said it, a tit. If there are people still out there that are not enjoying the season this time around and honestly cant see the undoubted progress and improvement we are making then they have serious issues and really shouldnt bother with it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and ive just given mine, it takes a hell of a lot to anger MM so it must have been quite derogatory whatever was aimed at the bench but come onb, we didnt even lose the game for crying out loud. WE WILL LOSE GAMES, it's as simple as that, put it into perspective, this bloody team cost nothing and are Two points off the top of the table, yes we may fall away, who knows but lets at least enjoy it while we are winning.

As for the no win in Five cobblers, I am sorry Marko and no offence intended but these psychologists are by and large full of nothing, talk about fence sitting, no one is right, no one is wrong blah blah blah, that solves sod all. What is a fact is that the no win in five was a tiny part of a run which in FACT is one defeat in Thirteen and I sure as hell dont need some psycholgist to tell me that.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:58 pm

Genuinely interesting exchange of opinions. Not intended as a trick question, but how would folks define a true supporter?

Post by **Bluemike** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:07 pm

One who supports is a start LOL as opposed to one who goes to moan we we dont win, or one who comes on here once in the last 13 games, incredibly after the only defeay to vent his anger at the team. I will never accept it as long as I live.

Post by **marko69** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:37 pm

Mike,

There is a sale on at John Lewis for PC keyboards. Going to assume you need one after that rant, LOL! Ever thought about seeing a psychologist about this? ...... The rants, not his keyboard!

But seriously though. I wasn't joking....... Use John Lewis, PC world are sh*t.

Post by **Bluemike** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:28 pm

It wasnt intended to come across as a rant. and actually I am a psychologist !!!

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:26 pm

bluemike wrote:It wasnt intended to come across as a rant. and actually I am a psychologist !!!

.....and Marko's a vicar!

Post by **Bluemike** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:32 pm

No !!!! He's a tart.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:00 pm

If MM reads any of this, he'll probably think he should have kept his gob shut!

There again, we probably confirm what he already knew

Post by **marko69** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:31 pm

bluemike wrote:No !!!! He's a tart.

But please be clear........ not a Jam Tart.

FK the Jam Tarts.

Dubai Blue · Post by **Dubai Blue** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:47 am

I have never understood 'fans' who boo. The fans are club customers and theoretically support the club. On the whole, even when results don't go the way the fans would like, the players are making an effort and the management also, even if they have got it wrong on the day. After all there is another bunch of players and management trying hard to beat them and they probably have broadly the same skills and experience.

Sure, be muted in applause, discuss and theorise about tactics over a pint with fellow fans, but don't boo. If you really aren't enjoying it then make a note to find an alternative entertainment on a Saturday afternoon. You don't really have the right to boo IMO and it just shows a kind of psychological immaturity.

Domhide · Post by **Domhide** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:42 am

I was just trying to convince my wife that we should buy the Half Season Tickets (at two thirds their original FULL price value) then I start reading these stories about Selling Player! Then my wife reminds me of the Old "Wife's Tale" : When we are in the Top 6 close to the end of the season - the Pillow talk among the payers goes like this - "but if you get promoted surely they will replace you and we are so settled here".

We then lose the next 5 games and win the last 2 just - falling short of the playoffs.........................

Déjà vu

The Odious Mr Rossi · Post by **The Odious Mr Rossi** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:19 pm

Dubai Blue wrote:I have never understood 'fans' who boo. The fans are club customers and theoretically support the club. On the whole, even when results don't go the way the fans would like, the players are making an effort and the management also, even if they have got it wrong on the day. After all there is another bunch of players and management trying hard to beat them and they probably have broadly the same skills and experience.

Sure, be muted in applause, discuss and theorise about tactics over a pint with fellow fans, but don't boo. If you really aren't enjoying it then make a note to find an alternative entertainment on a Saturday afternoon. You don't really have the right to boo IMO and it just shows a kind of psychological immaturity.

I've never ever booed the team, on or off the pitch, and never ever would. But I can understand those who do. As you rightly say, fans are a customer of the club and have paid for the privilege of being entertained for 90 minutes. If they consider that what they have seen was lacking in quality and effort (physical and/or mental) and not worth what they have paid, then I think they have every right to voice their disapproval. Whether or not their opinions on what they have seen are correct is of course another matter

Post by **Bluemike** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:47 pm

I take your point Rossi but I would say at no time under MM has any Town fan seen the players not put in the effort, that has not happened once and I dont miss many games, the boys give 100%+ effort every game, that is why we are where we are, they arent the most talneted team in the world but the effort is top notch.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:14 pm

bluemike wrote:I take your point Rossi but I would say at no time under MM has any Town fan seen the players not put in the effort, that has not happened once and I dont miss many games, the boys give 100%+ effort every game, that is why we are where we are, they arent the most talneted team in the world but the effort is top notch.

Agree - nobody will get into any team of MM's without max effort (and the right attitude and team ethos) as 'standard'. PT and AW come to mind as possibly falling short in one or both.

J4ck22 · Post by **J4ck22** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:11 pm

All teams have those times where things aren't going well and a negative atmosphere from the crowd can really make it more difficult. Players are still human, they feed off the atmosphere and it must be distracting as hell to have 20,000 people on your back, no matter who you are or how much money you're earning.

Mick is right though, if you really want to help your team then show your support and encouragement. Save your boos for when we're playing Aston Villa in the Prem next season.

Post by **marko69** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:21 pm

J4ck22 wrote:All teams have those times where things aren't going well and a negative atmosphere from the crowd can really make it more difficult. Players are still human, they feed off the atmosphere and it must be distracting as hell to have 20,000 people on your back, no matter who you are or how much money you're earning.

Mick is right though, if you really want to help your team then show your support and encouragement. Save your boos for when we're playing Aston Villa in the Prem next season.

I definitely agree with that. Pretty sure if any of my workers had a few people standing behind them screaming,......., "USE THE FKING BENDING MACHINE....., YE CANT SOLDER THAT, AWW FOR f*ck SAKE, HE'S DRIPPED SOLDER ON THE CARPET....... WHERE IS YOUR DUSTSHEET....., USE...., THE f**king....., BENDING...... MACHINE, YOU TIIIIIIIIIIIIIT.......,
They'd probably get a bit flustered and start making even more mistakes.

Need to get new employees. Anyone on here install heating? Want a job?

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