Delap

[hallamblue]

Seen this comment on twtd re Delap today

"I was speaking with a scout this afternoon 19:26 - May 16 with 1469 views davblue

Not any new info but Chelsea are very keen on Delap because of the price that they can get him for and it’s a no brainier in terms of re sale if it doesn’t come off at Chelsea. Said he likes him and the way he gives defenders a hard time but his build up play is below the standard needed and doesn't think he’s near top 4 standard.

Also said that he’s heard Delap wants to go back to Manchester"


For me thus says everything about the Delap situation.

Of course every PL club is clamouring fir hus signature. His agent has done a hrlluva job writing in that escape clause. Every PL club will potentially be thinking along the same lines as Chelsea.
Cheap as chips (£30m) for "potential", but probably not seeing him as a primary striker for their squad, but an excellent, double your money investment when they sell him on again circa £60m not beyond plausible. The price tag of £30 in the PL is ridiculously cheap. You dont get much for £20m these days ( Philogene!).

I think Delap needs to think very carefully about what he fies in the summer. I still says he'd be much better to stay here fir another season, play plenty of games and get a likely promotion this time next year, and still no doubt be viewed as Towns number 9. He could do worse than look at a certain opponent, Jamie Vardy, to see what an element of loyalty can achieve!

If he's viewed by Chelsea as not good enough for a top 4 PL club as their automatic striker, what hope has he of being picked ahead of the established current England striker pool now or next season?

[Ricco]

I do try not to get worked up about it, and sure, it may have been a deal breaker to get him here... but... a £30m clause is an absolutely pathetic piece of business, especially when our business plan was/is to unearth these players, put them in the shop window and sell for profit. You have to remember that many will drop in value too, obviously Muric, you could argue Ogbene, Clarke, Philogene as well, plus more I'm sure.

[Bluemike]

He only came here because the release clause was put in place, we wouldn't have got him otherwise, that was the criteria laid down by city, it was a 40 Million release clause but reduced to 30 Million because of relegation.

[hallamblue]

Someone on twtd made the comment thst Ashton ( who now holds teo primary roles at the club btw) will not be recruiting anyone thst gas experience or msy be better than him for fear of being out performed, but questioned Ashtons negotiating skills at PL level. As you say a lot of the players we have paid top, top dollar for, may actually lose value niw ir walk away and we get nowhere near a PL level fee for them, thst maybe other clubs with better negotiating staff would have secured for the club. The acid test will be what these players will go for in their next transfer AFTER leaving us this summer.

[Mauswara]

lol I have no idea what you're saying but if it's on twtd it must be true

[hallamblue]

Ashton won't recruit any back room staff that has more experience than him or potentially would be better than him for rear of losing his own job.... I think that's what the poster was trying to say ....lol

[Bluemike]

I don't think they should start knocking Ashton tbh, they need to be careful what they wish for.

[ITFC2024]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/arti ... 716l5ygj4o

[hallamblue]

Apparently if Town get him told quickly it'll show in the books as a profit ...eg £15m out when buying him and £30m in ( in the same financial year) when selling him. As interested clubs have to pay the £30m in full, up front. So Town being astute getting it done ASAP. Makes a change doesnt it lol

[ITFC2024]

Apparently if Town get him told quickly it'll show in the books as a profit ...eg £15m out when buying him and £30m in ( in the same financial year) when selling him. As interested clubs have to pay the £30m in full, up front. So Town being astute getting it done ASAP. Makes a change doesnt it lol

Do you think Delap will play Sunday? Or will they wrap him in cotton wool? I’ll be surprised if he starts.

[shabba]

I think it’ll be same as last week, him off the bench and Hirst will start. Mainly as manager knows he won’t be here next season.

[hallamblue]

Apparently if Town get him told quickly it'll show in the books as a profit ...eg £15m out when buying him and £30m in ( in the same financial year) when selling him. As interested clubs have to pay the £30m in full, up front. So Town being astute getting it done ASAP. Makes a change doesnt it lol

Do you think Delap will play Sunday? Or will they wrap him in cotton wool? I’ll be surprised if he starts.

I hope he’s off chatting to his new employer frankly, because he has no intention of staying with us had he. I’d play Hirst, at least he wants to stay despite how he’s been treated by McKenna this season ( benched and given 10 min sub cameos), which I personally think, stinks. Delap has done nothing since January and yet McKenna persisted with him. Not Delap’s fault I know. But I feel quite angry about McKennas management of the two players. Even now the club are allowing him to talk to clubs about his move away, when we are still involved in games. But I’ve since realised is due to the boom keeping . Get the deal done early snd it shows as a profit and aids our FFP for next season. Allow the deal to go through later in summer it shows as a loss in the next set of books.

This is what football is now. As a fan I try to understand the intricacies of it all, but one thing for sure is players don’t really give a sh*t about the club they play for. There’s no loyalty anymore. They make far too much money through contracts snd moving on. When was the last testimonial game s player had??

Looking at the quoted finances associated with Delap, he cost us £15m?…… he leaves Town for £30m, but Man City take 20% of the profit, which I think is a further £8m. Therefore Delap has cost Town £23m for ONE season. That’s £605k per game ( and that doesn’t take into account his wages)…..Hardly a cheap option really.

[shabba]

'but one thing for sure is players don’t really give a sh*t about the club they play for. There’s no loyalty anymore. They make far too much money through contracts snd moving on'

Now that I totally agree with, doesn't mean players don't enjoy being at a club though when there, and also I'd very strongly argue this loack of loyalty goes with ANY big business now, corporations talk about 'values' and how staff are key, trust me they'll soon ship people out if they want to save a buck or such, out-sourcing is still very real etc. They care until it doesnt suit then its all out the window, they don't give a F etc, its just numebrs on a spreadsheet.

So it works the other way in alot of work places, zero loyalty.

[shabba]

Ps, he hasn't cost us, if we sell for a profit he has MADE us that money.

Your Sums are out,

paid £15m

sold £30m

= profit 15m

minus 20% sell on (if true) = 12m net profit

315k profit per league game.


The sell on will be based on profit made amount, not the gross I'd Imsgine. even if it was on the gross, it'll be a 9m profit

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

Ps, he hasn't cost us, if we sell for a profit he has MADE us that money.

Your Sums are out,

paid £15m

sold £30m

= profit 15m

minus 20% sell on (if true) = 12m net profit

315k profit per league game.


The sell on will be based on profit made amount, not the gross I'd Imsgine. even if it was on the gross, it'll be a 9m profit

Not sure Liz's sums are out - as I understand it, we get 80% of the profit we make on him. So we bought him for £15m plus £5m add-ons equals £20m. We sell him for £30m, making £10m profit of which 20% (£2m) goes to MC and £8m left for us.
None of knows the exact terms of what we bought him for or of the sell-on clause (some of us might think we know but we don't) - pure speculation on our part.

[shabba]

Not sure if he'd have met many of the 5m add'ons? Most would be around staying up I'd have thought.

Maybe half of that at most.

[hallamblue]

My sums are as follow;
Bought Delap from.MC £15m
Will sell Delap for £30m
Book entry "profit" £15m
Less MC sell on 20% fee £8m
Actual Profit £12m in Town books this season.

Total fee payable to MC for Delap £23m - for one season

Cost to Town over season ÷£23m ÷38 games =£605k per game!! NOT including wages.

[shabba]

But we get 30m back…..

I don’t what you’re saying sorry Hallam - he isn’t costing us anything -We are making a profit on having him here. Not as much as we’d like but he is making us not costing us

[shabba]

But we get 30m back…..

I don’t what you’re saying sorry Hallam - he isn’t costing us anything -We are making a profit on having him here. Not as much as we’d like but he is making us not costing us

You could spin it around and say we’ve been paid 7-8m to have him for a season

[Bluemike]

If you wanna talk about sums. Forget our best player and only real success and talk about Muric.

Cost us 10 Million
Cost us points
Cost us games
Cost us relegation
Cost us bloody Millions

[hallamblue]

But we get 30m back…..

I don’t what you’re saying sorry Hallam - he isn’t costing us anything -We are making a profit on having him here. Not as much as we’d like but he is making us not costing us

I'm saying that's how much the Club has paid to bring Delap to this Club and play him for 38 games. He dudnt come here for free, so it's a cost to the club.

I think what really wrangles me about him, is hes off after just one bloody season. I dont actually agree with all the hype about him. Yes, He's strong, has pace, hes got a powerful shot on him. Take thatcaway and there's not much else about his game that makes me think hes going to displace any current PL striker at whatever Club he goes to. He's expecting ( demanding?) 1st choice number 9.... he wants a senior England call up and squad inclusion. Can anyone on here seriously think hes at that level next season? I don't im afraid, and I think he could have shown a bit more loyalty to this club.

I know I'm coming across as almost obsessing at him. But that because ALL we've heard ALL season, from the moment he pulled on a Town shirt, was what he'd be doing at his next club next season, and which club he might go to. He's a bloody TOWN player until the end of the season. He's done sod all since the 2nd half of the season yet McKenna has still picked him ahead of Hirst,who I feel has been hard done by since hes returned to the squad. We dont know what Hirst could have done in the PL because shitface one-trick pony. McKenna hasnt given him a fair chance.

Anyway rant over. Sorry guys. This has got right under my skin. I just hope Delsp clears off in the next two weeks because I'm fed up of hearing about him.

[hallamblue]

I'd also add our best player , yet vastly underrated is Dara O'Shea. Quietly goes about his job and I just hope n pray we can keep.hold of him!

[shabba]

But IS he demanding to be number one for the next club? You don’t know that, I don’t etc, apparently by all accounts his family and himself are actually very switched on and will choose clubs wisely - it’s why he came here, and why he had the release clause

[Bluemike]

It's the press bigging up a young player and doing what they do, it's ITFC allowing him to talk to clubs and not Delap's choice, had we said no he wouldn't have been able to. And today the England boss comes out in public and says Delap is very much on the radar but only if you move to another Premier League club, hardly gives the lad a bloody choice, he's done nothing wrong but try his best in a sh*t team.

[hallamblue]

But IS he demanding to be number one for the next club? You don’t know that, I don’t etc, apparently by all accounts his family and himself are actually very switched on and will choose clubs wisely - it’s why he came here, and why he had the release clause

Shabba, I'm not try to be argumentative here, I promise you. I respect your views okay. But...

If that were the case he'd be staying here wouldn't he.

I honestly think hes jumping ship too soon, and the motivating factor (understandably to some extent), is because he wants to be the senior England #9 ( there's bern so much bloody hype about this by all the pundits that the kid is blindsided by it)

He wants to leave because he wants to be in the senior England squad. He can't achieve that at Town in the CC. Fact.

The England manager has already alluded to this. He has also stated Delap needs to play regularly in the PL. Fact.

So it follows, ( I feel ) Delap would be looking for a PL club where he is likely to achieve that. To which I say,
( based on his current level of development), he's probably a million miles from ousting any established number 9 at any of the PL clubs. I'd say that's a reasonable assessment of where he's at, at this current point in his career. So achieve the required level ( to be called into that senior squad) he must surely be looking for his next club to afford him some form of assurances that he will be given an opportunity to play on a regular basis.

This is not meant as a criticism of the lad, but an observation of his technical abilities as they stand atm. But i feel the hype surrounding him thus season has been out of proportion to where hes actually at, at this point in his career. That's not of his making. But hes been swept up in it.

So obviously after laying out my thoughts above ....in the next 12 months he'll be top scorer for Everton ( where i think he might go) and get called up into the England squad for the next big tournament ....

Forums ...the place for opinions, views and discussions. Sorry to have bored you all shirtless..... I'll shut up now. Promise! X

[hallamblue]

It's the press bigging up a young player and doing what they do, it's ITFC allowing him to talk to clubs and not Delap's choice, had we said no he wouldn't have been able to. And today the England boss comes out in public and says Delap is very much on the radar but only if you move to another Premier League club, hardly gives the lad a bloody choice, he's done nothing wrong but try his best in a sh*t team.

Very true.....but it's the hype that has got to me.... c u tomorrow mate x

[ITFC2024]

If you wanna talk about sums. Forget our best player and only real success and talk about Muric.

Cost us 10 Million
Cost us points
Cost us games
Cost us relegation
Cost us bloody Millions

I honestly believe there was something else going on behind the scenes. Weren’t there allegations of Muric being involved in gambling? It wouldn’t surprise me if they were true. He totally f*cked us!

[marko69]

……Yes, He's strong, has pace, hes got a powerful shot on him. Take that away and there's not much else……

Nice.

Cue Monty Python …..

https://youtube.com/shorts/QoBUmqyEaHE? ... eIkrgWg0Ko

[shabba]

Hallam it’s fine, I respect your view a lot on here and usually agree with you on most.

If I was Delap though I’d want the next step. Which is playing in the premier league again and possibly in Europe or some sort of- even Europa league. I think even if he goes as number 2 somewhere then if a teams in Europe he’ll still
Get minutes, players get injured, strikers rarely play the full
90mins and they are rotated for Europe etc so he’d have enough game time IMO. It’s much more of a squad game now.

I think staying in the championship with us would be a backward step for him.

[Mauswara]

If you wanna talk about sums. Forget our best player and only real success and talk about Muric.

Cost us 10 Million
Cost us points
Cost us games
Cost us relegation
Cost us bloody Millions

I honestly believe there was something else going on behind the scenes. Weren’t there allegations of Muric being involved in gambling? It wouldn’t surprise me if they were true. He totally f*cked us!

He may not have had the best season but as a fan I wouldn't post something like that unless I had a solid source to back it up.

TWTD does not count.