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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by Bluemike » Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:01 pm

Steve and Jo wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 7:23 pm
Bluemike wrote:
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This is where I get bored of repeating myself, its not about can we grab 17th, it was always going to be tough, for the two hundredth time, its down to our chronic lack of game management at key times that have cost us a lot of points, its the stubbornness at the start of the season to try nothing different, its the predictability of the substitutions etc which are basically always like for like instead of switching it up, its the constant shuffling of the defence like a pack of cards, it was the insistence on sticking with that tool in goal for way too long, I could go on.


Thing is Mike I was not directing my previous post directly to or at you. It was a general post to the FORUM. In fairness you can say whatever 300 times, even more, make it a round thousand times which still won't alter my thoughts or my right to post to the entire forum

I'm sure you didn't mean or even think I was talking directly to you but that's how you sounded there.

I also said the manager has made mistakes, no denying he has, he knows he has but in "my" opinion in the long run I still think he will come good and all the better if that is with Ipswich..

My entire previous post was just outlining where we are now compared to a few years ago. Yes we could well go down but Ipswich Town FC are in a far better place now than have been for twenty plus year and I can see us coming back up in a better place

Now will i get shot down for saying that?
I didn't take it as being aimed at me Steve, I think in general the forum seems to think my gripes are that we are going down and KM is at fault, its not like that, I outlined my issues above, for me KM has got things wrong, it can't be argued and we'd be well away from the drop zone had we game managed at certain times much better.

I can't help how I feel, I find us completely predictable to the point of almost becoming boring, even the post match interviews have me rolling my eyes thinking here we go again, its just how I feel and I hate feeling that way because KM delivered Two of the best seasons I can remember but that is gone and I think a lot of our fans will live off that for decades come what may.

I honestly mean this, I hope to God we turn it round, find the wins we need to survive and then you guys can lay into me and my thoughts on things, I would welcome it and hold my hands up, sadly at present it looks miles away.

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by Steve and Jo » Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:16 pm

I get what you say Mike and we are all hurting, of course we are but still rather be here than under previous regime with no future

I truly believe Ipswich can look forwards no matter what league we are in next season and there's still hope we can stay afloat this season

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by osborne77 » Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:26 pm

AzzurroMark wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:07 pm
I may well be ploughing a lone furrow here, well apart from Massey and Marko ('M'-power, if you like :lol: ), but I still can't believe a lot of what I am reading on this forum! I totally get the frustration, especially after Saturday's result and the results in general, moreso in 2025!
I am just glad that we have MA overseeing everything, I trust his and Gamechangers judgement and am sure that when they feel any change is needed, they will act accordingly. I realise that very few, or perhaps no, posters on here are calling for KM to be sacked, but quite a few seem to not be too bothered if we got rid, let me make that point very clear. Personally, and hopefully we will not find out, I think getting rid of Keiran would be the worst day's business this club had done since pre-Marcus Evans!

Many will point to David Moyes to offer an argument that a decent experienced manager could lift us. I will point to the fact that Everton's squad value is more like that of an average PL side, whereas ours is still probably the lowest value. There's no saying a manager of his ilk couldn't help us, after all experience has to count for something! I think Mick McCarthy, despite his team's, at times, insipid style of play, had a very poor Ipswich squad punching well above their weight!
You only have to look at the (inexperienced) Van Nistelroy at Leicester, Juric (relatively experienced in Italy) to see that squads nearer the value of ours are always likely to struggle!

I will look more at Vincent Company as a source for why I believe that KM is the right man for Ipswich, and also a reason why to suggest any bigger club wouldn't touch him with a barge pole is nonsense! If established top flight clubs weren't interested in Keiran, it would only be because of his overall lack of experience and not in any real flaws in his coaching/management style! Vincent's Burnley side, which had only been relegated from the top flight the previous season, and therefore had parachute payments and something no doubt near the type of team we would have should we get relegated this season, romped to the Championship title! This opposed to an Ipswich side which had come up from L1 with a smattering of Championship level players. From an experience point of view VK had limited experience managing Anderlecht, prior to Burnley.

Burnley in 2023 started their PL campaign, from a squad and an FFP position markedly superior to ours this season! However they finished 2nd bottom on 24 points, a total which I don't think is beyond the realms of possibility that we can catch and hopefully surpass! Relegation followed as did Kompany's departure to Bayern Munich! They are giants of the Bundesliga, who had finished 3rd in 23/24 season with 8 defeats and 72 points to their name. This season so far, they sit 1st with 51 points after 20 games, just a single defeat and indeed only 3 draws! Not bad for a manager who looked no less or no more out of his depth than McKenna is, allegedly!

I guess my point is, as I have made before, that even with our latest recruits, we are woefully short of the experience levels of other PL teams. Has KM made mistakes, yes, without a shadow of a doubt and he will continue to make them. It is the only way of learning! Have we got our recruitment correct? Show me a manager who has, especially when you're not able to compete on a level playing field. Some will say 'Muric', and I cede that his mistakes continue to cost us dearly. On the other hand if we had converted many of our chances on Saturday, as an example, then we would have been out of sight at half time! His continued selection is on KM's shoulders, but with Walton out, he certainly had his hand forced the weekend just gone. Indeed, I struggle to see us getting anyone else in in goal! (Edit: have just seen we have signed WBA keeper).
I remain firmly behind KM, frustrating as this season has been. Relegation looks more likely by the day, but who were we really kidding if we believed it would be that easy to grab even 17th place. I don't want relegation, of course not, but if that is what comes then so be it. It is then that our hand maybe forced with players moving on and indeed KM moving onto a club which may well have the squad quality which enhances and is enhanced by Keiran's management style.
Completely agree. I've got used to the kids and newbie fans negativity as they've only been interested for the last couple of years and aren't used to losing more than winning. I didn't expect to see so much of it plus all of the bickering on this forum though. I had enough of journeymen bang average 'safe' managers since the last PL relegation, have loved what KM and MA have brought to the club and am not about to bin that off after a few months of difficulty. Promotion was always going to be a huge struggle as we didn't have enough time in the championship to build a solid squad that could handle the step up with just a few changes. Yes KM is still inexperienced and making mistakes and we will probably go down this year but we'll come back much stronger next time if we manage to hang onto him. I'm just being realistic about who we would get to replace him that would be any better and which proven PL players that we could actually afford.

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by Blue Wilf » Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:49 pm

osborne77 wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 8:26 pm
AzzurroMark wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:07 pm
I may well be ploughing a lone furrow here, well apart from Massey and Marko ('M'-power, if you like :lol: ), but I still can't believe a lot of what I am reading on this forum! I totally get the frustration, especially after Saturday's result and the results in general, moreso in 2025!
I am just glad that we have MA overseeing everything, I trust his and Gamechangers judgement and am sure that when they feel any change is needed, they will act accordingly. I realise that very few, or perhaps no, posters on here are calling for KM to be sacked, but quite a few seem to not be too bothered if we got rid, let me make that point very clear. Personally, and hopefully we will not find out, I think getting rid of Keiran would be the worst day's business this club had done since pre-Marcus Evans!

Many will point to David Moyes to offer an argument that a decent experienced manager could lift us. I will point to the fact that Everton's squad value is more like that of an average PL side, whereas ours is still probably the lowest value. There's no saying a manager of his ilk couldn't help us, after all experience has to count for something! I think Mick McCarthy, despite his team's, at times, insipid style of play, had a very poor Ipswich squad punching well above their weight!
You only have to look at the (inexperienced) Van Nistelroy at Leicester, Juric (relatively experienced in Italy) to see that squads nearer the value of ours are always likely to struggle!

I will look more at Vincent Company as a source for why I believe that KM is the right man for Ipswich, and also a reason why to suggest any bigger club wouldn't touch him with a barge pole is nonsense! If established top flight clubs weren't interested in Keiran, it would only be because of his overall lack of experience and not in any real flaws in his coaching/management style! Vincent's Burnley side, which had only been relegated from the top flight the previous season, and therefore had parachute payments and something no doubt near the type of team we would have should we get relegated this season, romped to the Championship title! This opposed to an Ipswich side which had come up from L1 with a smattering of Championship level players. From an experience point of view VK had limited experience managing Anderlecht, prior to Burnley.

Burnley in 2023 started their PL campaign, from a squad and an FFP position markedly superior to ours this season! However they finished 2nd bottom on 24 points, a total which I don't think is beyond the realms of possibility that we can catch and hopefully surpass! Relegation followed as did Kompany's departure to Bayern Munich! They are giants of the Bundesliga, who had finished 3rd in 23/24 season with 8 defeats and 72 points to their name. This season so far, they sit 1st with 51 points after 20 games, just a single defeat and indeed only 3 draws! Not bad for a manager who looked no less or no more out of his depth than McKenna is, allegedly!

I guess my point is, as I have made before, that even with our latest recruits, we are woefully short of the experience levels of other PL teams. Has KM made mistakes, yes, without a shadow of a doubt and he will continue to make them. It is the only way of learning! Have we got our recruitment correct? Show me a manager who has, especially when you're not able to compete on a level playing field. Some will say 'Muric', and I cede that his mistakes continue to cost us dearly. On the other hand if we had converted many of our chances on Saturday, as an example, then we would have been out of sight at half time! His continued selection is on KM's shoulders, but with Walton out, he certainly had his hand forced the weekend just gone. Indeed, I struggle to see us getting anyone else in in goal! (Edit: have just seen we have signed WBA keeper).
I remain firmly behind KM, frustrating as this season has been. Relegation looks more likely by the day, but who were we really kidding if we believed it would be that easy to grab even 17th place. I don't want relegation, of course not, but if that is what comes then so be it. It is then that our hand maybe forced with players moving on and indeed KM moving onto a club which may well have the squad quality which enhances and is enhanced by Keiran's management style.
Completely agree. I've got used to the kids and newbie fans negativity as they've only been interested for the last couple of years and aren't used to losing more than winning. I didn't expect to see so much of it plus all of the bickering on this forum though. I had enough of journeymen bang average 'safe' managers since the last PL relegation, have loved what KM and MA have brought to the club and am not about to bin that off after a few months of difficulty. Promotion was always going to be a huge struggle as we didn't have enough time in the championship to build a solid squad that could handle the step up with just a few changes. Yes KM is still inexperienced and making mistakes and we will probably go down this year but we'll come back much stronger next time if we manage to hang onto him. I'm just being realistic about who we would get to replace him that would be any better and which proven PL players that we could actually afford.
Well I am not a kid not a newbie fan. Your post is not exactly upbeat - more an acceptance that are not good enough and nor is KM at this moment in time. I think that is what a few of us are saying too - not necessarily negative, just a feeling that we have let a great chance slip by and are actually getting worse as the season goes by. Oh and bickering could also be construed as disagreeing which in my view is exactly what a forum is about - sharing views and not necessarily agreeing with each other. If you think we are all kids and newbies, think again - I only wish I was one 😂

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by Bluemike » Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:52 pm

It amuses me how not agreeing with everything Mckenna does is construed as negativity rather than realism

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by marko69 » Tue Feb 04, 2025 1:15 am

What a shocking day i’ve had. From a work perspective, the worst day for easily 25 years. And thank the sweet mother o Jaysus I have plenty public liability insurance.
Day culminated in a couple of sackings. Thought the person i’d chosen to carry out the various jobs in a beautiful Edinburgh Town House was up to the tasks at hand. A bit like Ipswich Town strikers with their football boots on. Needed feckin welly boots at that Town House.
Was it my fault? 🤔 Did i get it wrong? 🤔🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️ I thought they were a competent duo. I mean they’ve actually been missing their targets WORSE than Ipswich Town strikers for over a month now.
I don’t know. Might look at “job team” selection over the next few weeks. See if it’s something I’m doing wrong. I mean it might be me!!
28mm Screwdown valves being installed and then blowing off in a combed ceiling and wiping out 3 feckin storeys while i’m 43 miles away could very well be down to me. But I suppose you just have to expect your guys to carry out the jobs to a certain standard. I don’t know! 🤦‍♂️
The house is fkd though. 🤦‍♂️ Homeowners relegated to an expensive hotel.

But…….. perspective and all that. There are way worse things that i (and we) encounter in life.
Could fkn do without it though.

AzzMark, Steve & Jo, Massey, Osborne etc etc …… loving the patience, really am and loving that the forum is a very balanced environment at this moment in time. 👍👌

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by Bluemike » Tue Feb 04, 2025 6:41 am

Sorry to hear you had such a bad day Marko, hopefully no further repercussions to follow? Two sackings for those making the mistakes? Exactly right, that's the way all business works when things go wrong, no exceptions.

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by Steve and Jo » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:10 am

marko69 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 1:15 am
What a shocking day i’ve had. From a work perspective, the worst day for easily 25 years. And thank the sweet mother o Jaysus I have plenty public liability insurance.
Day culminated in a couple of sackings. Thought the person i’d chosen to carry out the various jobs in a beautiful Edinburgh Town House was up to the tasks at hand. A bit like Ipswich Town strikers with their football boots on. Needed feckin welly boots at that Town House.
Was it my fault? 🤔 Did i get it wrong? 🤔🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️ I thought they were a competent duo. I mean they’ve actually been missing their targets WORSE than Ipswich Town strikers for over a month now.
I don’t know. Might look at “job team” selection over the next few weeks. See if it’s something I’m doing wrong. I mean it might be me!!
28mm Screwdown valves being installed and then blowing off in a combed ceiling and wiping out 3 feckin storeys while i’m 43 miles away could very well be down to me. But I suppose you just have to expect your guys to carry out the jobs to a certain standard. I don’t know! 🤦‍♂️
The house is fkd though. 🤦‍♂️ Homeowners relegated to an expensive hotel.

But…….. perspective and all that. There are way worse things that i (and we) encounter in life.
Could fkn do without it though.

AzzMark, Steve & Jo, Massey, Osborne etc etc …… loving the patience, really am and loving that the forum is a very balanced environment at this moment in time. 👍👌

Sorry to hear this Mirko, really hoping all get repaired and comes good for everybody

Who's agreeing with everything McKenna does Mike? I certainly haven't agreed with everything at all for one. Never considered that being negative. Far as realism, would say we all know where we are, just a glance at the table will tell anybody its not good. All I'm saying is for me the future is brighter than it was a few years ago and where we are right now is no surprise to me.. Wish we were higher though, of course I do but fact is still more positive now regarding Ipswich's future than ever was before the take over

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by Bluemike » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:18 am

Maybe not yourself Steve but there are certainly some fans, not necessarily on here, who cannot accept anything negative being aimed at the manager. I actually find that more damaging than having concerns about things.

I think you've misread my post, I was saying myself and a few others are considered negative for having less than positives thoughts on certain things, it seems to be deemed negative rather than realistic. At the end of the day of course we all want the same thing, of course we would all like to be higher up the table and we would have been had certain game management things been done differently in certain games, that's pretty much all we are talking about here. Oh and had we not gone 6 months without a goalkeeper.

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by The Odious Mr Rossi » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:37 am

Bluemike wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:18 am
Maybe not yourself Steve but there are certainly some fans, not necessarily on here, who cannot accept anything negative being aimed at the manager. I actually find that more damaging than having concerns about things.

I think you've misread my post, I was saying myself and a few others are considered negative for having less than positives thoughts on certain things, it seems to be deemed negative rather than realistic. At the end of the day of course we all want the same thing, of course we would all like to be higher up the table and we would have been had certain game management things been done differently in certain games, that's pretty much all we are talking about here. Oh and had we not gone 6 months without a goalkeeper.
Indeed - I recently changed my forum name from Rossi to The Odious Mr Rossi in direct response to being referred to as odious.

Maybe I should now look to change it again to The Negative Mr Rossi?

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by Steve and Jo » Tue Feb 04, 2025 10:24 am

The Odious Mr Rossi wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:37 am
Bluemike wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:18 am
Maybe not yourself Steve but there are certainly some fans, not necessarily on here, who cannot accept anything negative being aimed at the manager. I actually find that more damaging than having concerns about things.

I think you've misread my post, I was saying myself and a few others are considered negative for having less than positives thoughts on certain things, it seems to be deemed negative rather than realistic. At the end of the day of course we all want the same thing, of course we would all like to be higher up the table and we would have been had certain game management things been done differently in certain games, that's pretty much all we are talking about here. Oh and had we not gone 6 months without a goalkeeper.
Indeed - I recently changed my forum name from Rossi to The Odious Mr Rossi in direct response to being referred to as odious.

Maybe I should now look to change it again to The Negative Mr Rossi?
Rossi I remember years ago you were one of only a few who said the club will never improve as long as Marcus Evans was still in control. I totally agreed with you then. It taken few years before he left. I still remember though those long and many dark years under his ownership and I bet both you and Mike do, hell bet everybody does now.

The owners have said this is for the long ride, there will be ups and downs, highs and lows but I honestly believe whatever happens this season the club will learn and grow from it. Mark Ashton is shrewd and in him I really do trust

If I changed my name every time somebody accused me of something or referred me to something i'll forever be hitting that name and edit option. For what it's worth I do read your posts and always interested whether I agree or not all the time does not matter. Great read and helps make this form what it is

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by ashfordblue » Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:52 pm

marko69 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 1:15 am
What a shocking day i’ve had. From a work perspective, the worst day for easily 25 years. And thank the sweet mother o Jaysus I have plenty public liability insurance.
Day culminated in a couple of sackings. Thought the person i’d chosen to carry out the various jobs in a beautiful Edinburgh Town House was up to the tasks at hand. A bit like Ipswich Town strikers with their football boots on. Needed feckin welly boots at that Town House.
Was it my fault? 🤔 Did i get it wrong? 🤔🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️ I thought they were a competent duo. I mean they’ve actually been missing their targets WORSE than Ipswich Town strikers for over a month now.
I don’t know. Might look at “job team” selection over the next few weeks. See if it’s something I’m doing wrong. I mean it might be me!!
28mm Screwdown valves being installed and then blowing off in a combed ceiling and wiping out 3 feckin storeys while I’m 43 miles away could very well be down to me. But I suppose you just have to expect your guys to carry out the jobs to a certain standard. I don’t know! 🤦‍♂️
The house is fkd though. 🤦‍♂️ Homeowners relegated to an expensive hotel.

But…….. perspective and all that. There are way worse things that i (and we) encounter in life.
Could fkn do without it though.

AzzMark, Steve & Jo, Massey, Osborne etc etc …… loving the patience, really am and loving that the forum is a very balanced environment at this moment in time. 👍👌
Ouch :shock: were these two so-called subcontractors young ??? it sounds as though they hadn't got a clue I mean didn't they turn the water off at the mains and drain down before starting the work.
When I had large structural glass jobs to do like Glass floors, Bridges, Liftshafts, helical stairs, Shop Fronts etc I always only employed older well-experienced Subcontract guys. Like you, I always had £10 million damage liability insurance cover and never had to use it BUT sod's law if I didn't have it something would happen, anyway hope it doesn't damage your reputation for future jobs.

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by Bluemike » Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:01 pm

ashfordblue wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:52 pm
marko69 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 1:15 am
What a shocking day i’ve had. From a work perspective, the worst day for easily 25 years. And thank the sweet mother o Jaysus I have plenty public liability insurance.
Day culminated in a couple of sackings. Thought the person i’d chosen to carry out the various jobs in a beautiful Edinburgh Town House was up to the tasks at hand. A bit like Ipswich Town strikers with their football boots on. Needed feckin welly boots at that Town House.
Was it my fault? 🤔 Did i get it wrong? 🤔🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️ I thought they were a competent duo. I mean they’ve actually been missing their targets WORSE than Ipswich Town strikers for over a month now.
I don’t know. Might look at “job team” selection over the next few weeks. See if it’s something I’m doing wrong. I mean it might be me!!
28mm Screwdown valves being installed and then blowing off in a combed ceiling and wiping out 3 feckin storeys while I’m 43 miles away could very well be down to me. But I suppose you just have to expect your guys to carry out the jobs to a certain standard. I don’t know! 🤦‍♂️
The house is fkd though. 🤦‍♂️ Homeowners relegated to an expensive hotel.

But…….. perspective and all that. There are way worse things that i (and we) encounter in life.
Could fkn do without it though.

AzzMark, Steve & Jo, Massey, Osborne etc etc …… loving the patience, really am and loving that the forum is a very balanced environment at this moment in time. 👍👌
Ouch :shock: were these two so-called subcontractors young ??? it sounds as though they hadn't got a clue I mean didn't they turn the water off at the mains and drain down before starting the work.
When I had large structural glass jobs to do like Glass floors, Bridges, Liftshafts, helical stairs, Shop Fronts etc I always only employed older well-experienced Subcontract guys. Like you, I always had £10 million damage liability insurance cover and never had to use it BUT sod's law if I didn't have it something would happen, anyway hope it doesn't damage your reputation for future jobs.
Marko and KM have something in common :lol: :wink:

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by Blue Wilf » Tue Feb 04, 2025 6:18 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:01 pm
ashfordblue wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:52 pm
marko69 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 1:15 am
What a shocking day i’ve had. From a work perspective, the worst day for easily 25 years. And thank the sweet mother o Jaysus I have plenty public liability insurance.
Day culminated in a couple of sackings. Thought the person i’d chosen to carry out the various jobs in a beautiful Edinburgh Town House was up to the tasks at hand. A bit like Ipswich Town strikers with their football boots on. Needed feckin welly boots at that Town House.
Was it my fault? 🤔 Did i get it wrong? 🤔🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️ I thought they were a competent duo. I mean they’ve actually been missing their targets WORSE than Ipswich Town strikers for over a month now.
I don’t know. Might look at “job team” selection over the next few weeks. See if it’s something I’m doing wrong. I mean it might be me!!
28mm Screwdown valves being installed and then blowing off in a combed ceiling and wiping out 3 feckin storeys while I’m 43 miles away could very well be down to me. But I suppose you just have to expect your guys to carry out the jobs to a certain standard. I don’t know! 🤦‍♂️
The house is fkd though. 🤦‍♂️ Homeowners relegated to an expensive hotel.

But…….. perspective and all that. There are way worse things that i (and we) encounter in life.
Could fkn do without it though.

AzzMark, Steve & Jo, Massey, Osborne etc etc …… loving the patience, really am and loving that the forum is a very balanced environment at this moment in time. 👍👌
Ouch :shock: were these two so-called subcontractors young ??? it sounds as though they hadn't got a clue I mean didn't they turn the water off at the mains and drain down before starting the work.
When I had large structural glass jobs to do like Glass floors, Bridges, Liftshafts, helical stairs, Shop Fronts etc I always only employed older well-experienced Subcontract guys. Like you, I always had £10 million damage liability insurance cover and never had to use it BUT sod's law if I didn't have it something would happen, anyway hope it doesn't damage your reputation for future jobs.
Marko and KM have something in common :lol: :wink:
Who knows - maybe you will get the plumbing world equivalent of the Bayern Munich job next, Marko! 🤞👍

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by osborne77 » Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:09 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:52 pm
It amuses me how not agreeing with everything Mckenna does is construed as negativity rather than realism
I think that maybe this forum has gone the way that most of the world has in this age of populism and got very polarised. If you're not one of us then you must be one of them and all you say is wrong. The point I was trying to make is just because you don't agree with all of the negativity doesn't mean you think that KM is the messiah, the process is perfect and Muric is the best goalkeeper since Gordon Banks.

My realism is that it's not all bad and actually, given that the circumstances just a short time (in my Ipswich supporting life) ago were absolutely middle of League 1 dire, we're lucky to be where we are and I thank KM for that. He, and our situation are nowhere near perfect either. I bet if anyone back at the end of 21/22 was offered fighting for relegation in the Prem in in two years time they would have bitten your hand off. I certainly would and I try and remember that every time KM fks up (in my opinion).

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

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Muric the best goal keeper since Gordon Banks? I’d like to have some of what you’re drinking, mate! Was that a typo?

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by Blue Wilf » Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:25 pm

osborne77 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:09 pm
Bluemike wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:52 pm
It amuses me how not agreeing with everything Mckenna does is construed as negativity rather than realism
I think that maybe this forum has gone the way that most of the world has in this age of populism and got very polarised. If you're not one of us then you must be one of them and all you say is wrong. The point I was trying to make is just because you don't agree with all of the negativity doesn't mean you think that KM is the messiah, the process is perfect and Muric is the best goalkeeper since Gordon Banks.

My realism is that it's not all bad and actually, given that the circumstances just a short time (in my Ipswich supporting life) ago were absolutely middle of League 1 dire, we're lucky to be where we are and I thank KM for that. He, and our situation are nowhere near perfect either. I bet if anyone back at the end of 21/22 was offered fighting for relegation in the Prem in in two years time they would have bitten your hand off. I certainly would and I try and remember that every time KM fks up (in my opinion).
Sorry Os77 but you tried to position those of us who think we could be better placed than we are if KM had taken a different approach at times as negative, newbies and kids. That simply is not true. Of course we have come a long way and thank KM greatly for it but that does not now absolve him of any failure going forward. Its like a CEO who takes the share price up 10 times what it was only to see it fall back by half because he couldn't adapt when the opposition reacted - people will undoubtedly then ask questions and expect better. We are far better placed than we were but why now accept mediocrity again? The ownership is hugely ambitious so lets do as well as we can instead of saying yes, but Kieran did great to get us here so if we go down again, thats OK. If we go down, he will leave - that's my prediction, so quite why some are prepared to forgive him any misgivings just cos he did some great stuff in the past is beyond me 🤷🏻‍♂️

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guess bottom line being many would have expected the club to drop back at the first attempt despite two hugely successful seasons in lower league. McKenna seems out of depth for EPL management, it's a step up beyond his capabilities, a task too great, but then again whoever was in charge going into this season was always going to find it tough. We spent a whole lot of money to get where we are but after 22 years away maybe we're just finding it too hard to adapt once again at the highest level.

Those two decades missing out, all the sh*t in between including time spent in the third league, it's just a shame supporters have had to wait so long to make it back and there's no real fun or enjoyment to it. One or standout results aside we've been picked off too easily particularly at home against teams we should ideally have taken points off. Certain players have underperformed after being real assets the season before while new signings since the summer, a significant number just haven't lived up to expectation or you'd have hoped for better at the time when coming in.

if the team drops down by final game and it looks probable now, it's highly unlikely we'll get back to top level at the first attempt. There'll be a cull of playing personnel, a number of names will just be deemed surplus and shipped out although that's really to be expected. So long as it doesn't take another 20 + years to play top league soccer once more - some of us just don't have that time to spare.

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by Bluemike » Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:42 am

Blue Wilf wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:25 pm
osborne77 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:09 pm
Bluemike wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:52 pm
It amuses me how not agreeing with everything Mckenna does is construed as negativity rather than realism
I think that maybe this forum has gone the way that most of the world has in this age of populism and got very polarised. If you're not one of us then you must be one of them and all you say is wrong. The point I was trying to make is just because you don't agree with all of the negativity doesn't mean you think that KM is the messiah, the process is perfect and Muric is the best goalkeeper since Gordon Banks.

My realism is that it's not all bad and actually, given that the circumstances just a short time (in my Ipswich supporting life) ago were absolutely middle of League 1 dire, we're lucky to be where we are and I thank KM for that. He, and our situation are nowhere near perfect either. I bet if anyone back at the end of 21/22 was offered fighting for relegation in the Prem in in two years time they would have bitten your hand off. I certainly would and I try and remember that every time KM fks up (in my opinion).
Sorry Os77 but you tried to position those of us who think we could be better placed than we are if KM had taken a different approach at times as negative, newbies and kids. That simply is not true. Of course we have come a long way and thank KM greatly for it but that does not now absolve him of any failure going forward. Its like a CEO who takes the share price up 10 times what it was only to see it fall back by half because he couldn't adapt when the opposition reacted - people will undoubtedly then ask questions and expect better. We are far better placed than we were but why now accept mediocrity again? The ownership is hugely ambitious so lets do as well as we can instead of saying yes, but Kieran did great to get us here so if we go down again, thats OK. If we go down, he will leave - that's my prediction, so quite why some are prepared to forgive him any misgivings just cos he did some great stuff in the past is beyond me 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by Bluemike » Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:43 am

arana peligrosa wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2025 4:06 am
guess bottom line being many would have expected the club to drop back at the first attempt despite two hugely successful seasons in lower league. McKenna seems out of depth for EPL management, it's a step up beyond his capabilities, a task too great, but then again whoever was in charge going into this season was always going to find it tough. We spent a whole lot of money to get where we are but after 22 years away maybe we're just finding it too hard to adapt once again at the highest level.

Those two decades missing out, all the sh*t in between including time spent in the third league, it's just a shame supporters have had to wait so long to make it back and there's no real fun or enjoyment to it. One or standout results aside we've been picked off too easily particularly at home against teams we should ideally have taken points off. Certain players have underperformed after being real assets the season before while new signings since the summer, a significant number just haven't lived up to expectation or you'd have hoped for better at the time when coming in.

if the team drops down by final game and it looks probable now, it's highly unlikely we'll get back to top level at the first attempt. There'll be a cull of playing personnel, a number of names will just be deemed surplus and shipped out although that's really to be expected. So long as it doesn't take another 20 + years to play top league soccer once more - some of us just don't have that time to spare.
Yep, that's basically it in a nutshell

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Post by marko69 » Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:56 am

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What a shocking day i’ve had. From a work perspective, the worst day for easily 25 years. And thank the sweet mother o Jaysus I have plenty public liability insurance.
Day culminated in a couple of sackings. Thought the person i’d chosen to carry out the various jobs in a beautiful Edinburgh Town House was up to the tasks at hand. A bit like Ipswich Town strikers with their football boots on. Needed feckin welly boots at that Town House.
Was it my fault? 🤔 Did i get it wrong? 🤔🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️ I thought they were a competent duo. I mean they’ve actually been missing their targets WORSE than Ipswich Town strikers for over a month now.
I don’t know. Might look at “job team” selection over the next few weeks. See if it’s something I’m doing wrong. I mean it might be me!!
28mm Screwdown valves being installed and then blowing off in a combed ceiling and wiping out 3 feckin storeys while I’m 43 miles away could very well be down to me. But I suppose you just have to expect your guys to carry out the jobs to a certain standard. I don’t know! 🤦‍♂️
The house is fkd though. 🤦‍♂️ Homeowners relegated to an expensive hotel.

But…….. perspective and all that. There are way worse things that i (and we) encounter in life.
Could fkn do without it though.

AzzMark, Steve & Jo, Massey, Osborne etc etc …… loving the patience, really am and loving that the forum is a very balanced environment at this moment in time. 👍👌
Ouch :shock: were these two so-called subcontractors young ??? it sounds as though they hadn't got a clue I mean didn't they turn the water off at the mains and drain down before starting the work.
When I had large structural glass jobs to do like Glass floors, Bridges, Liftshafts, helical stairs, Shop Fronts etc I always only employed older well-experienced Subcontract guys. Like you, I always had £10 million damage liability insurance cover and never had to use it BUT sod's law if I didn't have it something would happen, anyway hope it doesn't damage your reputation for future jobs.
Not subbies , Ash. Employees. One in early 40s, one in late 30s.
To be honest, was only one sacking as the other has disappeared. (Not my fault)
All was done as it should be done on the job, water isolated etc.
But the valve blew off middle of the night. Properly tightened valves don’t blow off. They’ve been rushing to get done and overlooked it. :twisted:
Highly irritating & frustrating.

Reputation will be ok, been doing it way too long with mainly zero issues. Unfortunately I had plumbings Priskin equivalent on the job that day.

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by marko69 » Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:58 am

ITFC2024 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:17 pm
Muric the best goal keeper since Gordon Banks? I’d like to have some of what you’re drinking, mate! Was that a typo?
Think it might be you who’s drinking, 24. You need to read it again.

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by marko69 » Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:02 am

arana peligrosa wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2025 4:06 am
guess bottom line being many would have expected the club to drop back at the first attempt despite two hugely successful seasons in lower league. McKenna seems out of depth for EPL management, it's a step up beyond his capabilities, a task too great, but then again whoever was in charge going into this season was always going to find it tough. We spent a whole lot of money to get where we are but after 22 years away maybe we're just finding it too hard to adapt once again at the highest level.

Those two decades missing out, all the sh*t in between including time spent in the third league, it's just a shame supporters have had to wait so long to make it back and there's no real fun or enjoyment to it. One or standout results aside we've been picked off too easily particularly at home against teams we should ideally have taken points off. Certain players have underperformed after being real assets the season before while new signings since the summer, a significant number just haven't lived up to expectation or you'd have hoped for better at the time when coming in.

if the team drops down by final game and it looks probable now, it's highly unlikely we'll get back to top level at the first attempt. There'll be a cull of playing personnel, a number of names will just be deemed surplus and shipped out although that's really to be expected. So long as it doesn't take another 20 + years to play top league soccer once more - some of us just don't have that time to spare.
Its a step up beyond the players capabilities, Saint.
Everyone and their dug had alluded to it on various platforms:

“Should’ve been out of sight by half time.”

How the f*ck is that so difficult to grasp?

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by Dubai Blue » Wed Feb 05, 2025 8:19 am

Obviously it was always going to be a tough challenge to stay up but we still have a great chance to do so.

Way to early to talk too seriously about relegation yet. Let's continue to enjoy the fact that we are even in this league and give every ounce of support in the hope that they can scrape into 17th place.

If we go down then of course we can bounce back again. But there are way too many ifs and buts to have any useful discussion of this right now IMO.

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Re: As Mark Ashton said

Post by ITFC2024 » Wed Feb 05, 2025 2:12 pm

marko69 wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:58 am
ITFC2024 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:17 pm
Muric the best goal keeper since Gordon Banks? I’d like to have some of what you’re drinking, mate! Was that a typo?
Think it might be you who’s drinking, 24. You need to read it again.
Ahh yes, I did misread it. Apologies. :blush:

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