"Royle will never go"

[Dazza]

Why is everyone saying Royle will never go? Think you guys are under estimating fan power. If all 25k were singing Royle out for 90 minutes every game and people also started to stop going to games they'd have no choice but to get rid of him.

I'm not saying this is what we should do as personally I think theres better ways of going about it, but Royle certainly isnt extremely safe like everyone seems to think so.

If we lose out next few and slip into the relagation zone he'll be gone without the fans having to do anything.

[John]

Why is everyone saying Royle will never go? Think you guys are under estimating fan power. If all 25k were singing Royle out for 90 minutes every game and people also started to stop going to games they'd have no choice but to get rid of him.

I'm not saying this is what we should do as personally I think theres better ways of going about it, but Royle certainly isnt extremely safe like everyone seems to think so.

If we lose out next few and slip into the relagation zone he'll be gone without the fans having to do anything.

surley the board etc can't be happy with things at the moment,but not sure they would want to pay him off,like you say if things don't improve then maybe they will have to act.

[Vaughan8]

It'll b interesting to see how many people go on saturday. I was thinking about it, but after seeing that dribble on boxing day, i'm not gonna bother doing the 1hr 30 mins trip each way!

I bet season ticket sales this season were quite gd as ppl thought we would b in the premiership.............which we are now sadly not! even if those people didnt turn up, they still count them as attendance so it still looks a gd gate!

Still keep positive.........lol

[Diddy Dubz]

I propose we go round with buckets outside the ground to pay him off, i'd stick 20 quid in

[Fully]

Surely the players are at much fault as the manager...fair enough the manager does the training and tactics, but its the players who play 90 mins on the field who HAVE to defend etc.

[damage]

I suppose people believe he won't go because this is his last stint at management - and any human in his position would not want to end a career with a resignation, particularly due to failing at his job. Not the best way to retire.
So, essentially, his memories/reputation/management record are - in his mind - of a higher priority than the club. Psychologically the rest of the season is about him...not us.
I hope that isn't his mental situation though and he puts our future first.
Ironically, Maybe we'll see how 'professional' he is by whether he resigns or not (assuming results don't improve).

[Dazza]

So, essentially, his memories/reputation/management record are - in his mind - of a higher priority than the club. Psychologically the rest of the season is about him...not us.

Interesting point of view, maybe thats a good thing for the club... "maybe"

[hallamblue]

I suppose people believe he won't go because this is his last stint at management - and any human in his position would not want to end a career with a resignation, particularly due to failing at his job. Not the best way to retire.
So, essentially, his memories/reputation/management record are - in his mind - of a higher priority than the club. Psychologically the rest of the season is about him...not us.
I hope that isn't his mental situation though and he puts our future first.
Ironically, Maybe we'll see how 'professional' he is by whether he resigns or not (assuming results don't improve).

...I dont actually think HE thinks he is doing a " bad job ".

His argument, I'm sure, is ..."well Im doing the best I can with the players you ..(The Club) have given me". Therefore in many ways he has "abdicated" responsibility for results. Which manefists itself with post match comments like "fans need to have a reality check"....in many ways he's right in what he says ( although it certainly hurts to hear it ).

But I think he feels he is doing all he can with the current calibre / experience of players he has at his disposal....so If he "hasnt done anything wrong" (in his eyes)...he's hardly likely to resign - is he ?

[uefacup81]

As I said in an earlier thread, and as Dazza echoed - just try and see the board do absolutely nothing if people stay away and we get an attendance in the 10000s in the next few days.

[Col-Blue]

Why is everyone getting at royle its the players fault they cant help being a pile of dump.

[Fully]

It isnt Royle running around 90 mins on a pitch. He is at fault for the tactics, but the players should listen to instructions and put in 110% every game

[Dazza]

Why is everyone getting at royle its the players fault they cant help being a pile of dump.

I see your point, I often think this, but maybe its all down to confidence.

I dont think our players are that bad, we are capable of getting midtable to play offs atleast, but I think everyone is down and the dressing room doesnt have the buzz like the last 2 seasons. Maybe a new manager could spark off a turn around or maybe he could make it worse... who knows!

[uefacup81]

Why is everyone getting at royle its the players fault they cant help being a pile of dump.

The problem isn't the players, it's the manager and the motivation he's supposed to provide. Anyone can beat anyone with the right motivation - Wycombe against Villa in the cup for example. I reckon if we had Burley with us, we'd be doing alright - sometimes we didn't have the best of players under his reign - but we did alright. Motivation is the key... and Royle doesn't have it

[Riviera]

Why is everyone getting at royle its the players fault they cant help being a pile of dump.

the players dont go out with negative tactics unless the manager tells them how to play, the manager picks the team

thats why royle gets stick!

and for the record col - not all the players are a pile of dump, i bet plenty of managers in the championship would love to have a few of our youngsters on board

[Jonno]

Last nite me and 5 m8s started singing ROYLE OUT and a couple of people round us had a go, there were going on about supporting the team and getting behind them.
I goto every game home and away and im even sad enuf to go to pre season away game, and ive had enuf of the way the TRUE fans are being treated, ticket price just for last nite was £21 for adults, and the bus was £23. so i paid out £44 to watch us play like sh*t, and thats just 1 game. we havent played any good all season. its time for a change, we need new blood at the club and more important we need a NEW manager who can motivate the players that we have got, there not a bad bunch of players and i know for a fact that individualy they can ALL cut it in that division, but theres no1 there that can motivate them into playing well. we need a new manager in there to say to the players if u dont wanna play or cant be bothered then leave, theres plenty more people that would love to be given the chance, and who would FIGHT for the position week in week out.

Rant Over

[hallamblue]

but I doubt it will happen . cos neither party is unhappy with the other !

[Jonno]

The fans have gotta stand as a whole on saturday and until something is done

[Kheffan]

Last nite me and 5 m8s started singing ROYLE OUT and a couple of people round us had a go, there were going on about supporting the team and getting behind them.
I goto every game home and away and im even sad enuf to go to pre season away game, and ive had enuf of the way the TRUE fans are being treated, ticket price just for last nite was £21 for adults, and the bus was £23. so i paid out £44 to watch us play like sh*t, and thats just 1 game. we havent played any good all season. its time for a change, we need new blood at the club and more important we need a NEW manager who can motivate the players that we have got, there not a bad bunch of players and i know for a fact that individualy they can ALL cut it in that division, but theres no1 there that can motivate them into playing well. we need a new manager in there to say to the players if u dont wanna play or cant be bothered then leave, theres plenty more people that would love to be given the chance, and who would FIGHT for the position week in week out.

Rant Over

it doesn't sound like a rant Jonno. more like a feeling of despair.
good post

[seattle_gk]

[quote="hallamblue
...I dont actually think HE thinks he is doing a " bad job ".

His argument, I'm sure, is ..."well Im doing the best I can with the players you ..(The Club) have given me". Therefore in many ways he has "abdicated" responsibility for results. Which manefists itself with post match comments like "fans need to have a reality check"....in many ways he's right in what he says ( although it certainly hurts to hear it ).

But I think he feels he is doing all he can with the current calibre / experience of players he has at his disposal....so If he "hasnt done anything wrong" (in his eyes)...he's hardly likely to resign - is he ?[/quote]

I agree with this theory. I get the same sense from his comments.

[Bluebird]

but I doubt it will happen . cos neither party is unhappy with the other !

Well the majority of supporters are unhappy with both the board, and Joe!

The board have failed to provide adequate finance, and if Joe really believes he is doing a good job this season, then in my opinion he should be sectioned not sacked!

[Munty]

the only way sheephead and the board will listen is if the fans protest with their non attendance..... the writing was on the wall this season and the board and sheephead are totally to balme, it was obscene the players sold in the summer...

and Joe was never the man for the Town job....

[loudnproud]

"Jonno!!!" You are not alone my friend,I like you have been to it all home and away and to be frank,Their is no improvement,with the exception of Supple in goal.

The starting 11 go onto the pitch with motorvation and tatics ringing in their ears,supposing to have reminders from a rallying call now and then from our captain.All i,ve seen from old man magilton this season is an accusing pointed finger,and abuse at others for his wayward passing,He should be leading by example and encouraging the youngsters. The same goes for Willy and Joe before matches and during the interval. Yes it may be the players out their not performing,but surely it is because they are so short of self belief and confidence that is not being installed by managerment!!!!

I too,Like Royle believes,happen to believe that this is not a bad squad of players,Its a squad of players that are playing with no purpose or strong leadership,The negative tatics employed at home are managerial decisions and 20,000 of us believe so,Royle is failing this club in his abillity to lead and motorvate average players,thus installing self belief,For this reason he simply must go.I dont believe for one moment that BFJ is a bad manager,He is imho a manager that has put a squad together on a very tight budget and has failed to motorvate.

This time several seasons ago,we were in this same position,failing to score goals,Intoduce Benty and then he found a donkey called Kuchi!! My first impressions about this fella was.."My word!!! we've got a lumbering out-house who cant control a ball!!". What Royle did to this lumbering fool was to install belief that he was better than what he was and shefki started to believe,the players then started to believe. Royle may of tried this same tatic with Parkin and it failed to work....why? Unlike Parkin, Shefki may of looked out of place,but he never gave up a lost cause,He closed players down and would chase a balloon floating across the pitch and we,the ever faithfull admired that and got behind him.

Royal wants us all to get behind the boys which each and every one of us are so desperate to do,But this is a two way thing is it not? We need to see some grit and determination out their,not some fluke win's like shef wed and crewe!!! I believe that it is our youth players that can install belief in this club..Shane Supple starting at hull lifted my spirits,Haynes comming on did too.....Only for our blind manager to distroy it all by replacing the improving westy....Do not tell me that our manager is not at fault people.....He is!! believe me he realy is!!!! See ya awl New years eve!

[Jonno]

"Jonno!!!" You are not alone my friend,I like you have been to it all home and away and to be frank,Their is no improvement,with the exception of Supple in goal.

The starting 11 go onto the pitch with motorvation and tatics ringing in their ears,supposing to have reminders from a rallying call now and then from our captain.All i,ve seen from old man magilton this season is an accusing pointed finger,and abuse at others for his wayward passing,He should be leading by example and encouraging the youngsters. The same goes for Willy and Joe before matches and during the interval. Yes it may be the players out their not performing,but surely it is because they are so short of self belief and confidence that is not being installed by managerment!!!!

I too,Like Royle believes,happen to believe that this is not a bad squad of players,Its a squad of players that are playing with no purpose or strong leadership,The negative tatics employed at home are managerial decisions and 20,000 of us believe so,Royle is failing this club in his abillity to lead and motorvate average players,thus installing self belief,For this reason he simply must go.I dont believe for one moment that BFJ is a bad manager,He is imho a manager that has put a squad together on a very tight budget and has failed to motorvate.

This time several seasons ago,we were in this same position,failing to score goals,Intoduce Benty and then he found a donkey called Kuchi!! My first impressions about this fella was.."My word!!! we've got a lumbering out-house who cant control a ball!!". What Royle did to this lumbering fool was to install belief that he was better than what he was and shefki started to believe,the players then started to believe. Royle may of tried this same tatic with Parkin and it failed to work....why? Unlike Parkin, Shefki may of looked out of place,but he never gave up a lost cause,He closed players down and would chase a balloon floating across the pitch and we,the ever faithfull admired that and got behind him.

Royal wants us all to get behind the boys which each and every one of us are so desperate to do,But this is a two way thing is it not? We need to see some grit and determination out their,not some fluke win's like shef wed and crewe!!! I believe that it is our youth players that can install belief in this club..Shane Supple starting at hull lifted my spirits,Haynes comming on did too.....Only for our blind manager to distroy it all by replacing the improving westy....Do not tell me that our manager is not at fault people.....He is!! believe me he realy is!!!! See ya awl New years eve!

Im glad some1 agrees with me lol, at the games its seems 50/50 haof the people want royle out and the other half think hes some sort of god