Ipswich cant win against the fans...

[Dazza]

The club doesnt provide any money and everyones on Sheepshanks back moaning that he is "tight" even though he is trying to deal with the 30m pounds worth of debt.

Everyone a few weeks back was saying it would be nice to get Williams but it'll never happen and people even moaned about the board for this too.

Now Sheepshank has somehow managed to get £350k and we are getting Williams (which everyone pretty much wanted a few weeks back) its met with negative comments and it just shocks me so much.

What would we prefer? The 350k spent on another VERY good League 1 player like Parkin who will find it very hard to adjust to Championship football, or a young player like Williams who has fitted in very well into our club and I can see him doing great things here. I think we've got outselves a good deal here. And as for "350k" is this the same 900k figure that the EADT once reported we were paying for Parkin? Dont believe everything you read in the papers.

As for this "Skard" talk, please dont all make the same mistake as we all did with Peters.

Can we just be positive for once...

[Jonno]

When the fans said they wanted Williams to sign for Ipswich there were thinking it was gonna be a free transfer or we only had to pay about £100.000 for him, £350.000 is a stupid price for him

[uefacup81]

When the fans said they wanted Williams to sign for Ipswich there were thinking it was gonna be a free transfer or we only had to pay about £100.000 for him, £350.000 is a stupid price for him

As Dazza said... the EADT also said that we spent £900k on Parkin... with it turning out that the figure was closer to half that, how confident can we be of their interpretation of the Williams fee being accurate!?

[Shed on tour]

Sorry Dazza but given his recent performances I don't see that Williams is worth £350,000.

[Dazza]

When the fans said they wanted Williams to sign for Ipswich there were thinking it was gonna be a free transfer or we only had to pay about £100.000 for him, £350.000 is a stupid price for him

As Dazza said... the EADT also said that we spent £900k on Parkin... with it turning out that the figure was closer to half that, how confident can we be of their interpretation of the Williams fee being accurate!?

Well this is my point.

Even if it is 350k, how do we know its installments over the next 36 months, or a large part of it isnt if he reaches a certain amount of international caps, or league goals? We dont... and nor do EADT!

[Jonno]

even if we had to pay west ham £350.000 over 100 years its still too much to pay for him, that money has gotta be used to bring a striker in

[Shed on tour]

When the fans said they wanted Williams to sign for Ipswich there were thinking it was gonna be a free transfer or we only had to pay about £100.000 for him, £350.000 is a stupid price for him

As Dazza said... the EADT also said that we spent £900k on Parkin... with it turning out that the figure was closer to half that, how confident can we be of their interpretation of the Williams fee being accurate!?

Well this is my point.

Even if it is 350k, how do we know its installments over the next 36 months, or a large part of it isnt if he reaches a certain amount of international caps, or league goals? We dont... and nor do EADT!

If we arranged transfer fees on the amount of goals that players are likely to score for us then we might never have to pay a fee again!

[Dazza]

Sorry Dazza but given his recent performances I don't see that Williams is worth £350,000.

He is better than Magilton and Horlock, easily!

I say 350k (probably a smaller figure if I'm honest) is a small price to have a midfield of Westlake, Juan, Garvan and Williams. They're all young and are good passers of the ball. If we can keep them together for a couple of years they'll be an unstoppable force.

[uefacup81]

A very good point there Dazza, you can't expect a midfield to be pretty much thrust together over the summer and expect them to be worldbeaters in 4 months, give them time and they'll gel and then we'll see what they're really capable of

[Shed on tour]

Sorry Dazza but given his recent performances I don't see that Williams is worth £350,000.

He is better than Magilton and Horlock, easily!

I say 350k (probably a smaller figure if I'm honest) is a small price to have a midfield of Westlake, Juan, Garvan and Williams. They're all young and are good passers of the ball. If we can keep them together for a couple of years they'll be an unstoppable force.

Boy that don't take a lot. As for a midfield of Westlake, Juan, Garvan and Williams being an unstoppable force I think you really are having a laugh.
Anyhow, garvan won't be here in a couple of years.

[Dazza]

Sorry Dazza but given his recent performances I don't see that Williams is worth £350,000.

He is better than Magilton and Horlock, easily!

I say 350k (probably a smaller figure if I'm honest) is a small price to have a midfield of Westlake, Juan, Garvan and Williams. They're all young and are good passers of the ball. If we can keep them together for a couple of years they'll be an unstoppable force.

Boy that don't take a lot. As for a midfield of Westlake, Juan, Garvan and Williams being an unstoppable force I think you really are having a laugh.
Anyhow, gavan won't be here in a couple of years.

Westlake throws himself around and he has impressed me as of late. Juan is becoming one cool customer. Garvan has the qualities of a young Stevie G and I think Williams is the final bit of the jig saw.

I can see that midfield working in a couple of years time "IF" we can keep them and also get them fighting a bit more. I've seen all 4 have a bit of fight in them and also but in a lot of effort, now if we can get them all to do that everygame that would be the starting point to our turn around.

I can see great things with our midfield, we just need to get these players to where we want them, they all have the potential.

[Shed on tour]

Imo Westlake has actually gone backwards in his development, Juan still does not fill me with confidence (his distribution at Hull was terrible), Garvan is one of if not our best young prospects but will no doubt be sold despite the assurances in todays paper and as for Williams I feel he is going to be like many of our signings over the past few years. Look good for a couple of games and then show their real ability.

[Dazza]

Imo Westlake has actually gone backwards in his development, Juan still does not fill me with confidence (his distribution at Hull was terrible), Garvan is one of if not our best young prospects but will no doubt be sold despite the assurances in todays paper and as for Williams I feel he is going to be like many of our signings over the past few years. Look good for a couple of games and then show their real ability.

I agree with Westlake, last season was disappointing but his last few games for me have been better. He has put himself about a lot more and he seems to get stuck in. I think we'll get to see the best of Westlake this season. Mark my words

[Shed on tour]

I hope you are right about Westy as there nothing that would please me more than to see him go on and make a name for himself in the game being a local lad.

[Mork]

The club doesnt provide any money and everyones on Sheepshanks back moaning that he is "tight" even though he is trying to deal with the 30m pounds worth of debt.

Everyone a few weeks back was saying it would be nice to get Williams but it'll never happen and people even moaned about the board for this too.

Now Sheepshank has somehow managed to get £350k and we are getting Williams (which everyone pretty much wanted a few weeks back) its met with negative comments and it just shocks me so much.

What would we prefer? The 350k spent on another VERY good League 1 player like Parkin who will find it very hard to adjust to Championship football, or a young player like Williams who has fitted in very well into our club and I can see him doing great things here. I think we've got outselves a good deal here. And as for "350k" is this the same 900k figure that the EADT once reported we were paying for Parkin? Dont believe everything you read in the papers.

As for this "Skard" talk, please dont all make the same mistake as we all did with Peters.

Can we just be positive for once...

Hold on, before you start preaching all high and mighty like - this debt didnt just appear from nowhere - Sheepshanks is 100% responsible for it, he planned and sanctioned the spend, and didn't factor in all the possibilities and risks associated with it - and ended up paying the ultimate price. Let's not try to make the guy out a hero for working hard to deal with a situation the idiot got himself into and near ruined our club with.

The Fans are angry because in 4 years, we've seen this club been taken to the cleaners by poor financial management, for which in any other business, Sheepy's head would have rolled. Now the financial ruin is biting hard into the footballing side of things (amazing its taken this long really) and we're staring down the barrel of a fully loaded relegation barrel. And your complaining we're not being positive?

[ippers]

No offence but Westlake, Garvan, Juan and Williams is far from 'unstoppable'. Garvan is a very gd prospect and is more than adequet even at 17 in defensive midfield, Westlake has bin average for a while but gets stuck in but needs 2 score more and deliver a better final ball, same can be said for Williams, But Jimmy Juan is pretty crap tbh, that is a very average midfield which lacks creativity and pace, def not unstoppable.Its not a quesion of being positive,question of being realistic The top midfielders IMO in this division are Ifill, Koumas, Sidwell etc and none of our midfielders ome close to those

[Dazza]

The club doesnt provide any money and everyones on Sheepshanks back moaning that he is "tight" even though he is trying to deal with the 30m pounds worth of debt.

Everyone a few weeks back was saying it would be nice to get Williams but it'll never happen and people even moaned about the board for this too.

Now Sheepshank has somehow managed to get £350k and we are getting Williams (which everyone pretty much wanted a few weeks back) its met with negative comments and it just shocks me so much.

What would we prefer? The 350k spent on another VERY good League 1 player like Parkin who will find it very hard to adjust to Championship football, or a young player like Williams who has fitted in very well into our club and I can see him doing great things here. I think we've got outselves a good deal here. And as for "350k" is this the same 900k figure that the EADT once reported we were paying for Parkin? Dont believe everything you read in the papers.

As for this "Skard" talk, please dont all make the same mistake as we all did with Peters.

Can we just be positive for once...

Hold on, before you start preaching all high and mighty like - this debt didnt just appear from nowhere - Sheepshanks is 100% responsible for it, he planned and sanctioned the spend, and didn't factor in all the possibilities and risks associated with it - and ended up paying the ultimate price. Let's not try to make the guy out a hero for working hard to deal with a situation the idiot got himself into and near ruined our club with.

The Fans are angry because in 4 years, we've seen this club been taken to the cleaners by poor financial management, for which in any other business, Sheepy's head would have rolled. Now the financial ruin is biting hard into the footballing side of things (amazing its taken this long really) and we're staring down the barrel of a fully loaded relegation barrel. And your complaining we're not being positive?

I agree, but then you also have to praise Sheepshank for sticking around and trying his utmost to turn things around. There havent been any "poor financial management" in the last 4 years, was saw that 4 years ago.

I never once said Sheepshank is a hero, I just think he the best man for the job while we have no "magical fairy tale" investor.

As for me complaing we're not positive, I never said forgot the history, I never have questioned people being negative about our past and also our recent run, but all I'm saying is cant we for once be positive about a bit of good news? Is that too much to ask? It seems a lot of us are 2 faced and we're not happy unless we're complaining.

[Dazza]

No offence but Westlake, Garvan, Juan and Williams is far from 'unstoppable'. Garvan is a very gd prospect and is more than adequet even at 17 in defensive midfield, Westlake has bin average for a while but gets stuck in but needs 2 score more and deliver a better final ball, same can be said for Williams, But Jimmy Juan is pretty crap tbh, that is a very average midfield which lacks creativity and pace, def not unstoppable.Its not a quesion of being positive,question of being realistic The top midfielders IMO in this division are Ifill, Koumas, Sidwell etc and none of our midfielders ome close to those

Never said they're unstoppable now, I said they can be in the future if they stick together.

[Bluebird]

It seems a lot of us are 2 faced and we're not happy unless we're complaining.

I disagree, how is it two faced to express your feelings when your not happy? We pay our hard eraned money to be ENTERTAINED! Now i've been around long enough to know that we will have good seaons and bad seasons, but right now this is about as far removed from entertainment as you can get.

So I for one, am not happy and will remain so until things improve on the pitch!