Championship - Ipswich Town vs Leeds United Preview & Matchday Thread

[Steve]

Its okay for Leeds to be clinical, but defensively from goalkeeper to back four there was gaping mistakes for basically tap ins

Not going to be rash headed, we never gave up, could of, possibly should of scored more goals. Scoring three though will win majority of games so lots still to be positive about.

Not going be many bogger games than Leeds this season and Ipswich gave a good account of ourselves

[marko69]

Should have waited a little longer for FT result......., Just saw Chaplin scored....., means not a jot, but well done Conor.

[hallamblue]

Today we played to all intents and purposes s PL team. Two players cost a combined £50m. 12months ago we were in Division Three and they were in Premier League. The two teams meet today : was there a two division gap? NO!

BUT very poor finishing from us ( WTF was Burns doing in front of goal??? He should have made it 2-0). Had he out that away, different game I think.

School boy defending (3 in my view the fault of Hladky and his poor handling)… I need to see the video clips if their first goal because U said to Mike , I’m sure Woolfie allowed the Leeds player to turn and run across the top of the box before passing it off for their goal . Burgess was struggling to hold onto his sh*t during that first 20mins.

I’ll say it again: we need two decent CBs

I thought Leeds played what looked like a 10men zone across the middle of the park in the first half, which we couldn’t find a way through, and Morsy / Luongo were the most ineffective I’ve seen since they joined us. But that was down to Leeds tactics.

And we badly missed Hirst’s presence leading the line. Jackson was there I feel largely for his pace, and Chaplin snd Broadhead were also ineffective because they had no service to speak of.
So we also need another striker ( sorry I just don’t think Ladapo had a good enough first touch at this level snd he’s not the quickest), I also mentioned to Mike that I feel Burns is just off it at this level so a right winger too please.

We won’t see many better than Leeds here at PR this season and if we beat Cardiff next Saturday, what’s that 12 points from a possible 15? Not too shabby I think . We are most definitely WIP in our first season back in the championship.

A question for you fellas though.

Do you think the Championship is stronger now than when we were last playing in it 4/5 yrs ago?


McKenna:

“ today should give us confidence”…. don’t you just love him!

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/23749516.i ... s-verdict/

[Bluemike]

For me you can't make the defensive errors we made against any opponent and expect to get away with it, unfortunately we were punished every time by strikers costing 40 million, 10 million and god knows what for the other one, compare it to our striker who we signed for pennies from Accrington Stanley, which isn't a dig at Jackson by the way cus he did ok, I just don't get why McKenna played him as the striker when we all know he's not up to that role

I actually think the game was possibly lost when Burns missed a golden opportunity to make it 2-0, had that gone in its a completely different game but alas we missed it and then an absolutely bonkers 10 minute spell where we conceded Three times thanks to defensive errors.

I felt Burgess was woeful first half, their first goal saw the guy wiggle through Three defenders to score, shouldn't happen, I felt it was Davis more than Hladky who was at fault for the second but need to see it again, Hladky deffo at fault for third, of course the fourth saw Williams completely skinned, I hope to god we have better to come from him.

On a day where we needed our big players to perform I felt Morsy and Luongo were snuffed out first half but did well after the break, again like last week Broadhead anonymous despite his goal and I can't remember Chaplin having a worse game all last season.

It's certainly not doom and gloom from cus we created loads of openings which we just couldn't convert into attempts on target or goals but we definitely opened them up as much as they did us.

Anyone who thinks we were going to win 46 games needs a head wobble, today was far from a disgrace which was reflected in the response at full time from the appreciative fans, you'll always get the odd negative prat who goes into hiding until we lose.

For me it's all about how we bounce back and I really fancy and dare I say it expect us to win at home to Cardiff next Saturday, 12 from 15 sounds very impressive, not many of us would have anticipated that. Park this one, learn from it as McKenna definitely will and move forward positively. COYB'S

[Denny61]

We won't meet a better team than them for a long time..it was pace and players with better technical abilities and finishing that beat us ...we have Cardiff up nxt at home .let's get back to winning ways then..nothing is decided till last game in May..onwards and upwards

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

We were bound to lose at some point - but I have to say that I am so disappointed that we conceded 4 goals at home on a pitch designed to assist our playing style. A few of our players were off their game today for whatever reason.

Leeds front 4 cost a hell of a lot of money, and showed it in their clinical finishing.

At least we now know where we need to strengthen - let's hope for 2 or 3 more coming in this week.

Still, at the end of the day it's 9 points out of 12 which isn't bad at all.

[Andym]

Someone told me that there are Farcebook posts saying McKenna should go. I haven't seen them but Jesus. More on that later.

My take on the match:
In the first half we gave the ball away too frequently and unnecessarily. I got the impression we were a bit frightened of them, wanting to move the ball on too quickly rather than taking care of it. We made defensive errors. I haven't seen them back to see where the fault lies, but all three should have been prevented. Likewise our two goals. 3-2 at halftime and all 5 goals defensive errors. Burns had two good chances but didn't get a shot in for the first and was blocked for the second. Easy to criticise but he was constantly making runs and rarely did we see them and play him in; I would say in both cases his failure to score was a result of good defending rather than a failure on his part. Jackson struggled; as a lone striker he lacks the physical strength but I thought he worked hard and still managed to create two goals.
Morsy and Luongo were blocked out. Morsy always wants to have five touches and perform a 360 degree turn, and he didn't have the time or space to do that today. As a pair they were outnumbered and outplayed. In all honesty I thought we were pretty much outplayed all over the pitch in the first half. At the end of the day it doesn't matter whether you are playing against a £50 million forward line or the local village reserves; we made mistakes all over the pitch in possession and defensively. We were the creators of our downfall. I don't mean that as a huge criticism; we tried hard but (bearing in mind our first goal was a deflection from what? A cross? not sure) I don't think we managed a shot in the first 25 minutes. Certainly not a shot on target. But.

But we were trying. But we didn't hang our heads. We didn't give up. And here's the important thing; we came out after half time and for large parts were the better side. For 15 minutes, Leeds couldn't get near the ball. We needed to score in that time unfortunately, but what made me feel so happy was that I've seen countless matches over recent years where we have had a decent first half and opposition managers have managed to change things at half time. I'm not sure what McKenna said or did at half time but we came out with not just intent, but a confidence that was lacking in the first half. That to me is a sign of a good manager. Unfortunately we conceded a 4th goal which although we can apportion blame, let's accept it was a good goal, as was our 3rd. So unlike the errors of the first half goals, the two in the second half were good goals.

Yes, we can argue that we need defenders. Or strikers. I still think it was the first game since Luongo arrived that the Morsy/Luongo partnership has struggled - but even they improved second half.

We lost; probably the better team won. There are lessons to be learnt and I am confident that with the current management and coaching staff they will be learnt. Remember where we were two years ago and be happy for where we are now. Remember Hallam's (I think) stats from earlier this week showing that the majority of teams promoted to the championship struggle in their first season; I remain confident that we will finish at least mid table if not top half. We are a club that is moving forward without a doubt. Enjoy.

[Bluemike]

Mckenna should go, lmfao, scummers for sure

[arana peligrosa]

It's Facebook Mike. A cesspool of time wasting self-important c*cks with very little else to occupy their empty existence.

Viewed highlights. Don't always see the need why an opposition player feels required to celebrate right in front of our own fans. Happened at least with two of their goals. The fourth just seemed belligerent above all else. Either we possess the most docile phlegmatic fanbase in the league or it were just that particular section of crowd. Would real like to see that same player try the same thing at Millwall or something.

They (leeds) moved the ball around at pace at times today and caused problems. Vaclav made a largely uncharacteristic error that allowed them one but both teams were suspect in defense at different stages of the game. They hadn't won a league game for something like 12 before today whereas we hadn't lost since Oxford way back in January but stats go by the wayside sometimes and odd results occur.

Just a shade under 30,000 represented another fine crowd although no-one could have imagined what was to follow when taking seats. I don't expect this loss to hold us back in any great measure. McKenna would have emphasized the lessons of today to the players and we'll be back fighting again and ready for the next challenge. Still been a great start and we're light years ahead in terms of progression since Evans and his succession of awful appointments took off and (with it) presented a way forward.

[number 9]

Why didn’t Ladapo start when he’s clearly a better CF than Jackson? I guarantee Freddie was pissed off when he saw the teamsheet. Why did Clarke start when he’s clearly still injured? Why did KM not take in consideration Leed’s attacking qualities and not come up with a defensive game plan?

I think 3 wins on the trot maybe gave KM a little over confidence, understandably…but?

Farke is a seasoned manager at this level, and in my opinion he sussed KM out. I don’t blame the players for this loss, I blame KM. His inexperience showed today, but he’s still a fantastic manager. Yes our ‘Weak Links’ were exposed which is exactly why we still need to do some business before the deadline.

Well done pulling two goals back! We lost, fighting which is a great attribute for any team.

[Bluemike]

It's Facebook Mike. A cesspool of time wasting self-important c*cks with very little else to occupy their empty existence.

Viewed highlights. Don't always see the need why an opposition player feels required to celebrate right in front of our own fans. Happened at least with two of their goals. The fourth just seemed belligerent above all else. Either we possess the most docile phlegmatic fanbase in the league or it were just that particular section of crowd. Would real like to see that same player try the same thing at Millwall or something.

They (leeds) moved the ball around at pace at times today and caused problems. Vaclav made a largely uncharacteristic error that allowed them one but both teams were suspect in defense at different stages of the game. They hadn't won a league game for something like 12 before today whereas we hadn't lost since Oxford way back in January but stats go by the wayside sometimes and odd results occur.

Just a shade under 30,000 represented another fine crowd although no-one could have imagined what was to follow when taking seats. I don't expect this loss to hold us back in any great measure. McKenna would have emphasized the lessons of today to the players and we'll be back fighting again and ready for the next challenge. Still been a great start and we're light years ahead in terms of progression since Evans and his succession of awful appointments took off and (with it) presented a way forward.

Excellent post AP, and as you say a "A cesspool of time wasting self-important c*cks with very little else to occupy their empty existence" sums it up perfectly. .

[Bluemike]

Well having watched the highlights back Three times I can safely say in my opinion that Leeds goals were this

1st. Woolfenden mainly at fault but Two other defenders could also do better.

2nd, Hladky and Davis both poor but really Hladky needs to come for that ball.

3rd. Hladky at fault all day long.

4th. Williams weak and outmuscled way too easy.

Hats off to Kayden Jackson for our first Two goals, instrumental in both, the ball to Broadhead for the second was excellent.

[hallamblue]

McKenna states their 4th goal shouldn’t have been allowed as Morsy was fouled in the build up to that goal…. Did u see that?

[hallamblue]

Viewed highlights. Don't always see the need why an opposition player feels required to celebrate right in front of our own fans. Happened at least with two of their goals. The fourth just seemed belligerent above all else. Either we possess the most docile phlegmatic fanbase in the league or it were just that particular section of crowd. Would real like to see that same player try the same thing at Millwall or something.

Very good point Saint. I’m sick of seeing it at PR ( when opponents do manage to score).

Leeds players seem to it every time they scored. There was simply no need for it because our fans had not to my knowledge given any Leeds player “ the bird”(abuse) throughout the game.
To me their behaviour was pure, unadulterated crowd incitement, and it’s about time refs booked players for doing this.

As you say , repeat that at Millwall (or Birmingham), and you’re likely to get a pitch invasion snd players moaning about their safety . Leeds players are tossas!

[Andym]

McKenna states their 4th goal shouldn’t have been allowed as Morsy was fouled in the build up to that goal…. Did u see that?

I have to say I was expecting a free kick, I saw it as a foul.
Equally, I thought Jackson was offside for our first goal.

[Andym]

Well having watched the highlights back Three times I can safely say in my opinion that Leeds goals were this

1st. Woolfenden mainly at fault but Two other defenders could also do better.

2nd, Hladky and Davis both poor but really Hladky needs to come for that ball.

3rd. Hladky at fault all day long.

4th. Williams weak and outmuscled way too easy.

Hats off to Kayden Jackson for our first Two goals, instrumental in both, the ball to Broadhead for the second was excellent.

Pretty much agree with all that.

[Bluemike]

McKenna states their 4th goal shouldn’t have been allowed as Morsy was fouled in the build up to that goal…. Did u see that?

Yep there was a foul in the build up but I guess we all get them sometimes, frustrating though. I'm pleased the manager and Chaplin felt we were the better side for long spells cus that's how I saw it too, we just made silly errors at the back which we haven't done much of for months and every one was punished, that won't happen all too often.

[AzzurroMark]

Have just watched the extended highlights and certainly gives more of a chance to dissect the action. I don't really want to add anything on any of the goals but more for Kayden Jackson. I have never been a huge fan of his and was surprised to see his name in the starting lineup over Ladapo. Pace has been his only Ace card in my eyes and I don't see him as good enough to play the lone striker role. However, all that said, I can see (from those highlights) why KM started him! He was the real influence for both of our first half goals and on a couple of times caused Leeds some nervy moments at the back. So huge credit to him on that front. He certainly seems to have a better eye for a pass under KM's tutelage. Ladapo sadly, and probably due to lack of quality service (perhaps) never really threatened the visitor's back line, very disappointing. On this evidence I think a new striker is an absolute must!
In hindsight I think yesterday would have been the ideal time to start Taylor. We needed a bit more dynamism in the middle of the park with Luongo & Morsy having fairly quiet games due to how Leeds had set up.

[Andym]

I too am not a huge Jackson fan. But I agree he did well yesterday.
I can understand the criticism here on why he was selected, but I think McKenna got it right. As stated above, both our first half goals came from his pace, and both of Burns’ chances came from balls over the top behind their high defensive line. I imagine that was why Jackson was selected, and why it paid off for those goals.
On a side note, Burns made so many runs similar to the two for his missed chances but the ball never came. If we had been quicker seeing them, he could have had many more chances.

[Bluemike]

We did get exposed at times in Midfield but credit to Ipswich they are the best side we have faced so far. They pressed us higher up the pitch rather than allowing us to knock it around at the back and look comfortable without really doing anything with the ball. In short they had no respect for us which i liked.

I watched their club highlights and they had some good chances. The one their lad dwells on to make it 2-0 changes the game. A fantastic game of football a good advert for the Championship. I said it last season but i will say it again now Piroe as arrived. This team as got lots of goals in it. Providing everyone sticks around and stays healthy we will blow some teams away this season.

Leeds fans been pretty complimentary on their forum, loads of posts like the one above which I like. Like me He deffo felt the missed Burns chance to make it 2-0 changed the game.

[hallamblue]

“ blow some teams away this season”. Yes I think they will. Hopefully scum!

Strangely enough , I think we have them too much respect in that first half.

[marko69]

Just watched some highlights. Stick out moment would be Leeds second goal. Ball allowed to bounce in 6 yard box while Hanky & Leif debate who's ball it is. Blaming Hanky though. Massively misread. Think Leif's mistake was because he couldn't believe the keeper didn't collect it 1.5 seconds prior.

[Charnwood]

Just watched some highlights. Stick out moment would be Leeds second goal. Ball allowed to bounce in 6 yard box while Hanky & Leif debate who's ball it is. Blaming Hanky though. Massively misread. Think Leif's mistake was because he couldn't believe the keeper didn't collect it 1.5 seconds prior.

It was a game strewn with defensive errors, most times you’ve get away with at least a couple of them but not against and attacking force with the pace and clinical finishing Leeds produced yesterday.

[marko69]

Just watched some highlights. Stick out moment would be Leeds second goal. Ball allowed to bounce in 6 yard box while Hanky & Leif debate who's ball it is. Blaming Hanky though. Massively misread. Think Leif's mistake was because he couldn't believe the keeper didn't collect it 1.5 seconds prior.

It was a game strewn with defensive errors, most times you’ve get away with at least a couple of them but not against and attacking force with the pace and clinical finishing Leeds produced yesterday.

Think that one was a stick out moment though because it was really a nothing ball into the box. A hit and hope. The Leeds guy must've thought it was his birthday. Hopefully that is focused on when they all re-watch the game before training.

[Ricco]

Seen highlights, Hladky not nearly as bad as it sounded. He could have come for it, but he was covering for an attacking header in the middle that never came, but on another day could have. Davis has to attack that ball and beat his man to it, unless he had a shout from his keeper, which he may, but probably didn't. I'd place more blame on Davis, though wouldn't be too harsh on either.

Hladky spilt one, he's done that a couple times, he should probably have taken that one, you have to, or parry safe at this level, I'd be less happy with that than the cross.

Other two goals were just good individual skill or pace I'd say. One of those day, Leeds are no joke, at least we scored 3, I'd rather loose 4-3 than 1-0 a defence is easier to tighten.

[marko69]

Seen highlights, Hladky not nearly as bad as it sounded. He could have come for it, but he was covering for an attacking header in the middle that never came, but on another day could have. Davis has to attack that ball and beat his man to it, unless he had a shout from his keeper, which he may, but probably didn't. I'd place more blame on Davis, though wouldn't be too harsh on either.

1. He could have come for it……

2. …… but he was covering for an attacking header in the middle……

3….. that never came

4…… but on another day it could’ve.

5….. unless he had a shout from the keeper

6…. Which he may have…..

7….., but probably didnt…..

Ricco ??
You need to start a new Monty Python sketch show.

[Ricco]

have to throw a few caveats in there!

[Bluemike]

Lmao

[goldandblack]

just shows how far the Town have come from this time last season, when the fans are disappointed in losing to a Premier club in all but name, by the odd goal, looking good to me for you guys and gal's