Sven: Stay or go?

monstermunch · Post by **monstermunch** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:55 pm

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, Sven's had an affair with some bimbo from the FA office. Should he be sacked? Personally I'll say no, but the Daily Mail brigade are probably pretty keen that he should be sacked.

Gaz · Post by **Gaz** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:18 am

He wasn't married was he? As long as it doesn't affect his work so what

The Gaffer · Post by **The Gaffer** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:38 am

to be honest, i cudnt care less wot he did. but i don think he shud be england manager any way. hes not a motivator asi think england seem to need.
never reli rated him to be honest. but thats just my opinoun.

toby · Post by **toby** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:46 am

The FA cannot afford to sack him because it would involve a huge payoff so the question is completely irrelevant.

The fact that Reinhagel (Greece manager) was on a 1/10th of what Sven was on at Euro 2004 is the real reason that Sven should go...but then again who would actually do a better job with the overrated ponces that wear the 3 Lions?

Riviera · Post by **Riviera** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:56 am

any bloke of his age that can pull a bimbo must be doing summut right so keep him i say LOL

toby · Post by **toby** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:58 am

riviera wrote:any bloke of his age that can pull a bimbo must be doing summut right so keep him i say LOL

mini · Post by **mini** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:49 am

I say keep him. Even if Sven has had an affair it is nothing to do with us and isn't football-related in anyway and he isn't married so I cant see why there's any reason to sack him and as far as Im concerned this is again just the papers trying to cause trouble.

nieros · Post by **nieros** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:57 am

More importantly, do we have a pic of said bimbo cos frankly, if she was a moose he should go *nods*

Other than that, I think he does a pretty good job quite frankly.

- Nieros the shallow.

Fully · Post by **Fully** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:16 pm

Sven should only be sacked if its to do with England. He hasnt completely failed as a manager and has recorded some historic victories. So what if he had a fling? arent we all entitled to that. If he wants a bird so be it nothing to do with us end of story.

ShannockSid · Post by **ShannockSid** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:37 pm

What about the floosy secretary, has she been sacked? If not, are the Daily Mail asking for that too?

Typical of modern society, they always blame the guy.

Mork · Post by **Mork** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:02 pm

monstermunch wrote:I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, Sven's had an affair with some bimbo from the FA office. Should he be sacked? Personally I'll say no, but the Daily Mail brigade are probably pretty keen that he should be sacked.

I can't believe people have voted for him to go. He's got a great competitive record for England, despite our players generally playing woefully under their ability, and quite frankly, is pretty irreplaceable (or perhaps I'm wrong, someone name someone with half his record or experience to replace him).

So he can't keep his d*ck in his pants - so what, he's single enough, old enough, ugly enough and rich enough to do whatever he pleases. The media in this country are nuts, they just drive every single talented manager out of the England job.

Perhaps those who say yes, would like to propose a replacement? The most successfull managers have been those who had the job the longest - Ramsey, and Robson - we now have an England Manager of some pedigree, with experience of both World and European cups. 2006 is our best chance, probably ever, of actually winning something off home soil (and dont think I'm saying we're favourites by any means, I'm not - I'm just saying it will be one of our better chances with an experienced, but still relatively young team, an experienced manager, and some real talent) and to kick Eriksson out now, would be insane.

If there's a 1/50 chance of us lifting the World Cup, in front of the Germans, we should do everything we can to make it happen

Qbert72 · Post by **Qbert72** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:06 pm

The reason for him to be sacked is not because of the dodgy shag, but because he lied to the FA about it and they then backed him by putting out a statement to that effect.
He then told them it was in fact true and in turn made them look a bigger bunch of pillocks than normal.

Now in any contract there is a misconduct clause, or false declaration clause. Either of these are grounds for dismissal.

So if the FA want rid of him then it is bye bye without a payoff as he is in breach of contract.

I personally don't think he has done anything very impressive and would be a good time to go. Mind you I don't know who would replace him as Steve Mclaren would be stupid to leave Middlesborough at the moment.

Mork · Post by **Mork** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:14 pm

Qbert72 wrote:The reason for him to be sacked is not because of the dodgy shag, but because he lied to the FA about it and they then backed him by putting out a statement to that effect.
He then told them it was in fact true and in turn made them look a bigger bunch of pillocks than normal.

Now in any contract there is a misconduct clause, or false declaration clause. Either of these are grounds for dismissal.

So if the FA want rid of him then it is bye bye without a payoff as he is in breach of contract.

I personally don't think he has done anything very impressive and would be a good time to go. Mind you I don't know who would replace him as Steve Mclaren would be stupid to leave Middlesborough at the moment.

Not true actually - regardless of grounds, Sven is entitled to a payoff of his remaining salary; all the obligation is on the FA to pay the sum, regardless of success or any other reason.

And I don't see whats wrong when being interrogated about your personal life to be splashed over the front of every mediocre british rag there is, to deny everything - both to protect yourself, and the other party - a better
response would have been "its got nothing to do with anybody save sven".

Qbert72 · Post by **Qbert72** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:34 pm

Sorry mate but I do beg to differ, I have wrote several contracts in my time and modified several others with these clauses incorporated in them.

The hole point of having a disciplinary procedure is to be able to sort a problem out in a clear and consise fashion.

Now breach of contract in any contract is instant dismissal with only the notice period to be paid on the descretion of the company.

So the obligation is not with the FA as you say but with Sven.

At the end of the day it is now down to the FA and if they have the balls to do the right thing and send him packing.

Mork · Post by **Mork** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:53 pm

Qbert72 wrote:Sorry mate but I do beg to differ, I have wrote several contracts in my time and modified several others with these clauses incorporated in them.

The hole point of having a disciplinary procedure is to be able to sort a problem out in a clear and consise fashion.

Now breach of contract in any contract is instant dismissal with only the notice period to be paid on the descretion of the company.

So the obligation is not with the FA as you say but with Sven.

At the end of the day it is now down to the FA and if they have the balls to do the right thing and send him packing.

I would agree with you on any kind of normal employment contract, however, not on something so specialised as a football management role. Much like a Chief Executive role, it has protected interest clauses, mainly in favour of the employee, to allow for easy dismissal (ie hanging the buck) from the employer.

monstermunch · Post by **monstermunch** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:00 pm

I'm dissappointed that many of the people who voted "go" didn't post their reasons, but they probably read the Daily Mail. Apparently they were saying that Terry Venables (who is banned from running a company of any kind) should be reinstalled as manager! Madness! see http://www.football365.com

Bury_blue · Post by **Bury_blue** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:29 am

Whay should he get the boot? He only shagged some bird. Its not got anything to do with his job as far as i can see. I wouldnt expect to get the sack from my job if i slept with some doris!!

mini · Post by **mini** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:44 am

Qbert72 wrote:The reason for him to be sacked is not because of the dodgy shag, but because he lied to the FA about it and they then backed him by putting out a statement to that effect.
He then told them it was in fact true and in turn made them look a bigger bunch of pillocks than normal.

Now in any contract there is a misconduct clause, or false declaration clause. Either of these are grounds for dismissal.

So if the FA want rid of him then it is bye bye without a payoff as he is in breach of contract.

I personally don't think he has done anything very impressive and would be a good time to go. Mind you I don't know who would replace him as Steve Mclaren would be stupid to leave Middlesborough at the moment.

Sorry Qbert but what Sven gets up to in his personal life is nothing to do with the FA or the tabloids as far as im concerned and this is just another way for the tabloids trying to cause trouble and make money. Sven wouldn't have even had to make a statement if the tabloids had kept their noses out of people's private lives.

Qbert72 · Post by **Qbert72** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:42 pm

If you read what I put Mini you will see that I said that it doesn't matter about his shag but only about his lying about it to the FA.

THis isn't personal its business.

NottsBlue · Post by **NottsBlue** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:44 pm

Stay.
As long as his private life doesnt get in the way of the Job

Notts Blue

mini · Post by **mini** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:46 pm

Qbert72 wrote:If you read what I put Mini you will see that I said that it doesn't matter about his shag but only about his lying about it to the FA.

THis isn't personal its business.

Yes but I still dont see why the FA have 2 know bout it anyway and at the end of the day its going to be them who lose out because they have to find England another coach if they decide to sack Sven. Sven's got millions that he's already earnt from coaching but there's not millions of coaches available for England is there??

Qbert72 · Post by **Qbert72** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:54 pm

It has to do with the FA for several reasons, firstly the bird he shagged was a secretary in the FA offices. Secondly the CHief Executive Mark Palios also shagged the same bird (sloppy seconds).
Then the lie, all in all it is a dodgy position Sven has put himself in and the FA.

As for finding someone else, well we have done it before and I am sure we would do it again.

I have to admit that I have never wanted him in the first place and he has done nothing to change my mind. I find his tactics to be dodgy at the best of times and he is too laid back. He has no fire or passion in him which is what the players need.

chris · Post by **chris** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:14 pm

Qbert72 wrote:It has to do with the FA for several reasons, firstly the bird he shagged was a secretary in the FA offices. Secondly the CHief Executive Mark Palios also shagged the same bird (sloppy seconds).
Then the lie, all in all it is a dodgy position Sven has put himself in and the FA.

As for finding someone else, well we have done it before and I am sure we would do it again.

I have to admit that I have never wanted him in the first place and he has done nothing to change my mind. I find his tactics to be dodgy at the best of times and he is too laid back. He has no fire or passion in him which is what the players need.

Can you suugest a better place? Who cares..............

Jome_ITFC · Post by **Jome_ITFC** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:06 pm

y should he be sacked 4 something in his personal life and nothing to do with football

mini · Post by **mini** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:21 pm

Qbert72 wrote:It has to do with the FA for several reasons, firstly the bird he shagged was a secretary in the FA offices. Secondly the CHief Executive Mark Palios also shagged the same bird (sloppy seconds).
Then the lie, all in all it is a dodgy position Sven has put himself in and the FA.

As for finding someone else, well we have done it before and I am sure we would do it again.

I have to admit that I have never wanted him in the first place and he has done nothing to change my mind. I find his tactics to be dodgy at the best of times and he is too laid back. He has no fire or passion in him which is what the players need.

Im sorry Qbert I still disagree with u ok he shouldn't have lied if he was asked about him having a relationship with a employee from the FA office but then the tabloids should keep their noses out of people's private lives. You dont c our private lives splashed all over the tabloids so why is it dat just because he's the England manager his private life is exposed???

I fink Sven's done an excellent job since he's been here i mean afterall he got us 2 the quarter finals of euro 2004 and dat is a brilliant achievement 4 a manager and we wud have got to the semi's if it hadn't been 4 cheating Portugal.

toby · Post by **toby** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:06 pm

Whilst I don't think that we did as well as we could have at Euro 2004 (to be honest the tournament was there for the taking) people seem to forget that before Euro 2004 in Portugal England had NEVER qualified for the knockout stages in the European Championships on foreign soil!

Sven has done a pretty good job, he's qualified us for two tournaments running, the first one after the previous two idiots had amassed the grand total of 1 point from two games!

Admitedly when it's come to the crunch (Brazil, France and Portugal) something has been lacking, especially for a coach earning Ã‚Â£4million a year!

However can anyone tell me who is going to take the job and be able to do a better job?

Martin O'Neill is the only sensible option I've heard and even he would probably want too much money.

essexboy21 · Post by **essexboy21** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:37 pm

monstermunch wrote:I'm dissappointed that many of the people who voted "go" didn't post their reasons, but they probably read the Daily Mail. Apparently they were saying that Terry Venables (who is banned from running a company of any kind) should be reinstalled as manager! Madness! see http://www.football365.com

Ok the reasons I think Sven should go are that;

*He aint English and although Otto Rehihagel has proven that foreign managers can do it for other countries I don't believe its right. For one, I would never manage another country and honestly hope fpr them to win.

*He aint a motivator and the England team certainly need one!

*He isnt a coachj in the fact he doesn't actually train the side which I think can definately help (Which BFJ does to a degree!!!)

*He is scared to take a chance e.g. 1-0 v Portugal he brings on a CRAP defensive midfielder (Neville) wen we need attackin men he dont bring on Dyer or Cole.

*He leaves out players from lower leagues in my opininion Etherington should be given a go on the left.

What do the others who said 'GO' think???

royleoasis · Post by **royleoasis** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:54 pm

essexboy21 wrote:
monstermunch wrote:I'm dissappointed that many of the people who voted "go" didn't post their reasons, but they probably read the Daily Mail. Apparently they were saying that Terry Venables (who is banned from running a company of any kind) should be reinstalled as manager! Madness! see http://www.football365.com
Ok the reasons I think Sven should go are that;

*He aint English and although Otto Rehihagel has proven that foreign managers can do it for other countries I don't believe its right. For one, I would never manage another country and honestly hope fpr them to win.

*He aint a motivator and the England team certainly need one!

*He isnt a coachj in the fact he doesn't actually train the side which I think can definately help (Which BFJ does to a degree!!!)

*He is scared to take a chance e.g. 1-0 v Portugal he brings on a CRAP defensive midfielder (Neville) wen we need attackin men he dont bring on Dyer or Cole.

*He leaves out players from lower leagues in my opininion Etherington should be given a go on the left.

What do the others who said 'GO' think???

I just voted 'go' for a couple of the reasons you stated. Firstly i don't care about the affair, thats his life not mine. I just don't think he has done anything special that an 'English' manager could of done on a lesser wage.

Although I'd hate to see McClaren in the job because we'd be the most boring side on the planet. I think as you said that england need a motivator to kick the players up the arse. Someone like Big Sam would have every player playing with the passion you need to win cups. Some say he wouldn't get us to play the quality football we can play, but in Euro 2004 we were boring anyway. Too withdrawn and dependant on long balls. An English manager couldn't have done any worse!!!

toby · Post by **toby** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:27 am

But Keegan was supposedly a good motivator and where did he get us?

royleoasis · Post by **royleoasis** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:34 am

toby wrote:But Keegan was supposedly a good motivator and where did he get us?

Supposedly yes, but he was a puppy and we need a bulldog.

A Robson or a Venables. We've more talent now than we had under those two managers, yet they helped England get to semi-finals of major tournaments. Would you truely put Sven up there with Venables and Robson, or suggest he'll do aswell?

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