Is The Optimism For Next Year Unfounded

Shed on tour · Post by **Shed on tour** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:53 am

I know a lot of people on here are optimistic about our chances next year but having seen our performances in the past few games do people still have the same view now?
In the last 7 games we have picked up a grand total of 6 points and at times have looked a very ordinary side. Also, imo Joe seems to be undermining some of the youngsters confidence by some of his decision making.
As for Joe himself, a decision about his future will have to be made by the board before too long, should we be offering him a new contract or not?
Discuss.

crazee · Post by **crazee** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:30 am

he said he'll be making changes for saturday, so we should get to see a few youngsters start the game, if we do or not is yet to be seen.

as for his contract, he has got a year left i think so we'll see next season, i wouldnt give him because simply i don't like him

Post by **loudnproud** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:37 am

I do believe that BFJ must trust our youth and there abillities not out of nescessity due to injuries,but in belief. His signings with the exception of Lee and the jury is still out on him too,does not make very impressive reading doe's it? 3 seasons later and we are still in the cc league. Let us examine more closely...
Dinning...enough said
Santos....solid centre half at QPR, asked to play out of position at Town.
Diallio.....Leggy defender and brave header,loves an injury and wild ball.
Shefki....agressive,strong and under-praised by BFJ until it was too late.
Mceverly..enough said
Sito...small,compact and playes to feet
Devos...Inspiring and solid our future captain,who failed to inspire at Luton
Macdonald..He came,he goes..
Peters..International player who cant get in the 1st squad!
Unsworth..solid and strong,finances wouldnt allow it.
Mahon...sweet left sided player who we couldnt afford.
Juan... shows promise.
Fish...Cost us a game,his only one at that!
Fuller...expensive
Parkin...one season on and still unproven at this level
Forster..His medical insurance premiums must be high!!
Lee...A bargin so far.
Now i know BFJ has had financial restraints put upon him in his dealings and i am taking this into account, But he must also accept that we have or at least had an abundance of youth knocking on the door.If BFJ is going to rely on his currently injured failures to get us promoted next season and over look the youth of Haynes,Casement,Knights,Barron and Trotter but to name a few,then perhaps it is a time for BFJ to leave and allow someone who believes passionatly in the youth....Dario Gradi for me!!

Susie · Post by **Susie** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:56 am

Having watched the game yesterday I am no longer optimistic. I have always supported Joe whatever has happened but after the fiasco yesterday I really feel he has lost the plot. I really don't understand how he could play Naylor up front for all the game and Mceverly at the back. He should have taken Mceverly off and brought either Bowditch or Haynes on as soon as the game started going downhill ( and that was 5 minutes into it!!!) At this rate I will become a member of the "Royle Out" brigade.

truefan2005 · Post by **truefan2005** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:27 pm

about three months ago everybody hated bfj and wanted him out, then we started winning an you all loved him myself included, you couldnt get any further up his arse, now we go back on a bad run and your all wanting him out again, i say the season is over so dont contradict his decisions because there is nothing to play for, maybe hes just trying new things.
Nex season we do have a great chance and i expect premiership football the season after!!!

Shed on tour · Post by **Shed on tour** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:30 pm

crazee wrote:he said he'll be making changes for saturday, so we should get to see a few youngsters start the game, if we do or not is yet to be seen.

as for his contract, he has got a year left i think so we'll see next season, i wouldnt give him because simply i don't like him

Crazee
I know Joe has a year left on his contract but I would hope the board are already thinking about what happens after next season.
Do they see him as the man to lead us for the next 3-4 seasons whatever division we may be in and is he the man to get the best out of our young talent?

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:00 pm

Shed on tour wrote:I know a lot of people on here are optimistic about our chances next year but having seen our performances in the past few games do people still have the same view now?
In the last 7 games we have picked up a grand total of 6 points and at times have looked a very ordinary side. Also, imo Joe seems to be undermining some of the youngsters confidence by some of his decision making.
As for Joe himself, a decision about his future will have to be made by the board before too long, should we be offering him a new contract or not?
Discuss.

If we played like we did yesterday AND had the likes of Parkin, Forster, Williams, Lee, Garvan, Juan, Westy, Naylor, De Vos , Supple, etc in the side.....THEN I would say the optimisim is misplaced ..the side that plays at the moment IMO is still not our strongest possable.

Post by **Earl Blue** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:58 pm

truefan2005 wrote:about three months ago everybody hated bfj and wanted him out, then we started winning an you all loved him myself included, you couldnt get any further up his arse, now we go back on a bad run and your all wanting him out again, i say the season is over so dont contradict his decisions because there is nothing to play for, maybe hes just trying new things.
Nex season we do have a great chance and i expect premiership football the season after!!!

Trueblue, No one is contradicting Joe's decisions, he can only contradict
himself.

As I see it, he cannot of been serious in thinking what he did
yesterday was right. So why did he do it. I know our season is
over from a promotional point of view, but why wiat until the
friendlies early next season to then try and establish things.

There is only one reasoning I can think of from Joes point of
view and that is he played Jay to make a final decision on him.

As for playing Naylor up front knwoing full well, that the Striker in Haynes
as oppose to Naylor next season will NOT be a decision makes
me wonder if he has lost the plot.

You are right that people were on his back (excuse me but they did not hate him), and perhaps Joe did wake up Temporrily due to the
injuries, but surely as the Manager he must have noted the
strongest potential, he worked on it and now he slipped
back into making crazy decisions that he was making before
and look what is now happening to the team. The fans cannot and will
not tolerate allowing us to go back torock bottom which are current form is.

PLEASE JOE DONT FRIG AROUND. USE THE LAST FEW GAMES TO DO THE
RIGHT THING, DONT EXPERIMENT WITH THINGS THAT WONT HAPPEN
AND THEN PERHAPS THE FANS WILL FINISH THE SEASON FINISHING
ON A HIGHER NOTE.

In the meantime Joe also take some lessons on how to sell your clubs products, because you are NOT a good salesman in my opinion.

John · Post by **John** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:08 pm

dear oh dear

.....roll on next season

truefan2005 · Post by **truefan2005** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:13 pm

roll on next season, i remain very very optimistic, coca cola champions next season, mark my words.

Mork · Post by **Mork** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:56 pm

truefan2005 wrote:about three months ago everybody hated bfj and wanted him out, then we started winning an you all loved him myself included, you couldnt get any further up his arse, now we go back on a bad run and your all wanting him out again, i say the season is over so dont contradict his decisions because there is nothing to play for, maybe hes just trying new things.
Nex season we do have a great chance and i expect premiership football the season after!!!

Thats complete arse, most of the folks who said they wanted him out, carried on saying it, regardless of form. I did, anyone care to dispute me on that? I think BFJ's done a reasonable to good job, but I think if we're to progress, we need a fresh start - I'd like to see a new manager, and I've been consistent in that for many months now.

Mork · Post by **Mork** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:58 pm

Shed on tour wrote:I know a lot of people on here are optimistic about our chances next year but having seen our performances in the past few games do people still have the same view now?
In the last 7 games we have picked up a grand total of 6 points and at times have looked a very ordinary side. Also, imo Joe seems to be undermining some of the youngsters confidence by some of his decision making.
As for Joe himself, a decision about his future will have to be made by the board before too long, should we be offering him a new contract or not?
Discuss.

I see very little reason for optimism at this point - our squad is average, with some worrying holes in key positions. We're more likely to lose good players than bring them in over the summer, and we're destined to stay with the same management team that have brought high levels of inconsistency and a team that don't appear to be able to cut it when the pressure's on.

Still, let's keep the fingers crossed. The play-offs always seem a possibility in this division, unless you're truly stuffed - champions will be extraordinarly difficult, as it always is - if, as I suspect, Birmingham come down, they'll instantly be favourites to win the Division again - and Leeds, Wolves, and Palace will be the more intelligent thinking mans choice, at lease, assuming all three are still down with us.

Munty · Post by **Munty** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:17 am

Good post Mork, totally agree...

Post by **loudnproud** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:48 am

I accept that our season is over as far as moving out of this league is concerned.However from a supporters point of view,I still want us to finnish above the Budgies for our pride is still at stake!!! Now if BFJ can not understand what this means to an East Anglian supporter then he realy does need to get a grip!!!
I am still paying good money in the belief that we are going to put out our strongest team and try to win and finnish above the budgies,Is this too much to ask of BFJ? Ive no desire to see BFJ leave........yet, However the point that is being made is that,this supporter is open minded enough to change his mind should BFJ employ the same tatics as shown at Luton.
5 games left to finnish above the Budgies Joe.....That should be our target.

The Odious Mr Rossi · Post by **The Odious Mr Rossi** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:51 am

truefan2005 wrote:about three months ago everybody hated bfj and wanted him out, then we started winning an you all loved him myself included, you couldnt get any further up his arse, now we go back on a bad run and your all wanting him out again, i say the season is over so dont contradict his decisions because there is nothing to play for, maybe hes just trying new things.
Nex season we do have a great chance and i expect premiership football the season after!!!

Well I've never liked him and never wanted him here. Saturdays tactics summed up - for me - what he's all about. I see absolutely no reason for optimism as long as he's in charge.

Royle out!!!!!!!!!!!

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:09 am

rossi wrote:
truefan2005 wrote:about three months ago everybody hated bfj and wanted him out, then we started winning an you all loved him myself included, you couldnt get any further up his arse, now we go back on a bad run and your all wanting him out again, i say the season is over so dont contradict his decisions because there is nothing to play for, maybe hes just trying new things.
Nex season we do have a great chance and i expect premiership football the season after!!!
Well I've never liked him and never wanted him here. Saturdays tactics summed up - for me - what he's all about. I see absolutely no reason for optimism as long as he's in charge.

Royle out!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry but I disagree with !

truefan2005 · Post by **truefan2005** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:11 am

every ones got an opinion and that is mine

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:44 am

truefan2005 wrote:every ones got an opinion and that is mine

Sorry Truefan..I was meaning Rossi' post not yours - and yes everyone does have a valid opinion I agree - I just dont agree with him on the JR "out" view !!

truefan2005 · Post by **truefan2005** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:45 am

o right fair enough

Bluebird · Post by **Bluebird** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:38 pm

rossi wrote:
truefan2005 wrote:about three months ago everybody hated bfj and wanted him out, then we started winning an you all loved him myself included, you couldnt get any further up his arse, now we go back on a bad run and your all wanting him out again, i say the season is over so dont contradict his decisions because there is nothing to play for, maybe hes just trying new things.
Nex season we do have a great chance and i expect premiership football the season after!!!
Well I've never liked him and never wanted him here. Saturdays tactics summed up - for me - what he's all about. I see absolutely no reason for optimism as long as he's in charge.

Royle out!!!!!!!!!!!

To be fair Rossi has been saying this for months, and IMO Royle has proved him right this season, with his baffling decisions, team selections and tactics. Plus showing similar one trick pony abilities to Sven! When was the last time he changed a game with his substitutions or flexability of tactics. He confuses and pisses off young talent, and continues to pick his favourites, week in, week out, even if they're out of form.

My first doubts about him were when we played one up front at home against a then struggling Preston side, and the weeks that followed were mostly terrible! How the hell could he think a midfield of Horlock, currie and Magic would work? There was a marked improvement in team spirit as the enthusiasm of the young lads coming through boosted the first team, but even that seems to have gone now. Now i know HB, that saturdays side was a weakened one, but Royle got it wrong, and once more he sat back and watched a team of his go down without a wimper and blamed the ref!

ROYLE OUT!!!

So i agree - Royle out!!!!!!!!!

truefan2005 · Post by **truefan2005** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:40 pm

your opinions fellas, but i disagree completely

ippers · Post by **ippers** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:43 pm

He needs money as simple as that. Teams such as Sheffield utd have spent millions on the likes of Akinbiyi

, Ifill etc and Wolves spent 1.5million on Frankowski who is whack and the scum with Earnshaw. So if you look at what Royles had to spend you cant relli argue with the results

If we could give him that sort of money ive no doubt we would go up

Bluebird · Post by **Bluebird** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:43 pm

truefan2005 wrote:your opinions fellas, but i disagree completely

No worries mate, surely healthy debate of differing opinions is the whole point of a forum!

And, I happen to be right.

truefan2005 · Post by **truefan2005** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:45 pm

if you say so mate, i feel that we should stick with royle for next season because now we have a decent young talented squad, lets see what he and the team can do next year

Dubai Blue · Post by **Dubai Blue** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:19 pm

Actually its an interesting question right now I think.

We discussed this before and I think we all agreed that ITFC has no chance of buying Joe out of his contract so probably the debate is irrelevant for now.

What worries me is the thought that the club has a masterplan to promote Willie once JR retires.

It is a shame actually since IMO the end of this season might be the ideal time to bring in a new Boss. We are going to have quite possibly the worst finishing position in living memory, (at least in mine anyway). Did we do any worse in the Duncan years ? Not a bad time for a fresh start. And yes we will have, assuming everyone is fit, a long way from the worst starting squad next season. Add that to the fact that we must have at least half a million to spend in the Summer plus quite a lot of salary budget freeing itself up with a number of players leaving.

But the contract has a year to run and I think that's the key info at this stage chaps.

Riviera · Post by **Riviera** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:32 pm

Royles tactics for most of the season have had us all scratching our heads, so why was saturday any different???

Naylor up front was tried earlier in the season and failed miserabley, so why did he think it would be any different on saturday? surely 2 very quick players up front against 2 giants would of been better, putting Lee and Naylor up front together for me just means hoof it as far in their direction as u can and hope to feed off the knock downs

i didnt want him here from the start either, but he has worked wonders for 75% of the time hes been here, so for me he deserves another season, although if they play as badly v's stoke as they did at luton i will be quickly changing my mind, 600 mile round trip for that will not go down well with this fella!!

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:47 am

I think people are losing sight of just what a horrendus time Ipswich Town FC has gone through.

Many Clubs have sunk into oblivion having suffered far less turmoil than us....credit where credit is due Joe has done an unbelievable job with this team since he has arrived.

Reality check for a good few of us I think !!!

Dubai Blue · Post by **Dubai Blue** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:33 am

Well HB I'm right with you on this as you know. However every dog has its day and sooner or later we have to say thankyou to Joe for all he has done and move on.

Deep down I also think another season is worth the punt since we are building a good squad and i prefer to believe that this is because of him rather than despite of him.

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:31 am

Dubai Blue wrote:Well HB I'm right with you on this as you know. However every dog has its day and sooner or later we have to say thankyou to Joe for all he has done and move on.

Deep down I also think another season is worth the punt since we are building a good squad and i prefer to believe that this is because of him rather than despite of him.

Thanks DB !...Problem is JR has never had a settled side due to the player departures and he's seemed to have been in annual team rebuild situation.

Next season with these kids coming through - may actually be the most stable season he has had since joining us ...Id be intereseted to see what he can do. But I also accept the point that every dog has his day..its just knowing when is the right time for managerial changes- next season doesnt feel right for me nor these kids that are saying things will be better next year - continuity is a key thing for success...Town have had precious little IMO this last three years

Mork · Post by **Mork** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:31 am

hallamblue wrote:I think people are losing sight of just what a horrendus time Ipswich Town FC has gone through.

Many Clubs have sunk into oblivion having suffered far less turmoil than us....credit where credit is due Joe has done an unbelievable job with this team since he has arrived.

Reality check for a good few of us I think !!!

No, I disagree - that's quickly become urban folklore around town, and its also becoming a staid and tired excuse. Yes we've been through difficult times, but you can and should judge performance based on visible tactics, effort, managerial decisions and the players we bring in.

Royle has made good decisions on all fronts, but a number of bad decisions on all fronts as well - and performances have ranged again, from the very good, to the very bad.

This has nothing to do with the horrendous financial situation of a few years ago now, and this needs to stop being wheeled out as the excuse for everything.

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