Willie Donnachie's view .....

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Wed May 03, 2006 2:06 pm

..an extract from TWTD report(taken from the local rag)

....."Donachie said: "The days of fielding under-strength sides must be over. It is just not good enough for a club of this size. There were five players on the park at Plymouth on Sunday who should not have been there. They should still be learning their trade in the reserves."

The ex-Oldham and Manchester City coach cites Chris Casement as amongst those players: "Chris is a great young player but he should not be learning how to play at right-back at Championship level. He has played only a handful of matches at right-back and two of them have been in the first team!

"It has all been so frustrating and the situation needs to improve over the summer.

"I feel sorry for the players who are not ready, as they have had too much on their plates, and I feel sorry for the experienced players, who had to 'carry' almost half the side on occasions."

Post by **Dazza** » Wed May 03, 2006 2:15 pm

Wow, an attack on the board. Sounds like Joe and Willie are trying to cover their arses.

Riviera · Post by **Riviera** » Wed May 03, 2006 2:21 pm

hallamblue wrote:..an extract from TWTD report(taken from the local rag)

....."Donachie said: "The days of fielding under-strength sides must be over. It is just not good enough for a club of this size. There were five players on the park at Plymouth on Sunday who should not have been there. They should still be learning their trade in the reserves."
The ex-Oldham and Manchester City coach cites Chris Casement as amongst those players: "Chris is a great young player but he should not be learning how to play at right-back at Championship level. He has played only a handful of matches at right-back and two of them have been in the first team!

"It has all been so frustrating and the situation needs to improve over the summer.

"I feel sorry for the players who are not ready, as they have had too much on their plates, and I feel sorry for the experienced players, who had to 'carry' almost half the side on occasions."

well im affraid we have to play our kids if BFJ wont take a chance on players from leagues 1 & 2, plenty are out of contract in the summer, just as they were last year and the year before, but instead he'd rather spend money on players at the end of their careers looking for a final pay day, but to be honest i like the thought of us playing our kids, if willie is that worried about them then he should take a look at M'boro

one thing we all agree on is that chis casement is a great prospect at center back but is not a full back, so the question has to be asked why is he playing there?

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Wed May 03, 2006 2:23 pm

Dazza wrote:Wow, an attack on the board. Sounds like Joe and Willie are trying to cover their arses.

could well be Dazza...but it also sounds like a pissed off pair of coaches that are requesting some backing from Sheepy and Co in order to get some experienced players in....The pressure is already begining to mount on the pair of them for next season.

maybe someone should start a book to see how long JR and WD saty at PR over the coming season !

vaalae · Post by **vaalae** » Wed May 03, 2006 11:02 pm

One thing we all agree on is that chis casement is a great prospect at center back but is not a full back, so the question has to be asked why is he playing there?[/quote]

Agreed Riv, same might have been the case with Jay McEverly!?? We might never know.

I'm a bit worried that the coaches have that view of Casement, yet use him as the reason for Sito being shipped out...so we have Fab at right back then daylight....or is this Willie's view and not Joe's??

Post by **loudnproud** » Thu May 04, 2006 1:48 am

So Casement is not ready eh? who says so? The reason of football? Casement is a Centre Half,Its his natural position,You're right Doc! Casement is not ready,Not for right back anyhow! If you felt that you had to field "Players that were not ready",why was Casement playing at Plymouth and not Sito? Oh and whilst on the subject of youngsters Doc, Why is it accepted that Supple and Garvin are ready when at such a young age? You're the "Master coach"(sic),you tell us mortals why this is so?
As a player Doc,You were a Scotland international defender....and may i be as bold as asking you where have Ipswich been weak for the past few seasons? was'nt defence by any chance was it? You are ment to be coaching these boys in the art of defending,leading by example!! If our youth at this club,who i hasten to add has been producing tallent long before even you Doc could kick a ball, Is encouraged rather than belittled,
Then perhaps we may not be in such a mess. If you cant take constructive criticism,then either buck up or sod off,I am realy agrieved that a defensive coach as yourself has failed his players in not coaching them correctly in the art of defending.

the-mole · Post by **the-mole** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:18 am

Sounds to me like Donnachie hasn't got a fookin clue - but like Royle and the board really!!!

From what I saw last season it was the youngsters carrying the senior players - and this has been the case for too many seasons now!!!

I am sorry but the only way a player will really ever learn and become good enough is to play FIRST TEAM FOOTBALL!!! Not reserve football - too many players use this type of football as fitness workouts and it doesn't get the attention and serious input it should!!!

If casement wasn't ready surely Sito was?? I would suggest the tactics and motivation just is not there any longer. A great coach will take whatever group of players is available and get the best out of them. Burley did this to great effect with us, Royle it seems hasn't got a fookin clue. As someone else mentioned there is plenty of talent from the lower leagues itching to be given a chance.

What I find very strange is that we have had 5 highly rated young defenders leave this club since Royle took charge - Justin Miller, Lee Beevers, Chris Hogg, Aidan Collins and Gerard Nash - all 5 were supposed to make a name for themselves with this club - yet all were shipped out while we continued to show faith in older players?? Why weren't these boys given a chance in the FIRST TEAM - to see if they could really make the step-up??

Luke · Post by **Luke** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:22 am

the-mole wrote:Sounds to me like Donnachie hasn't got a fookin clue - but like Royle and the board really!!!

From what I saw last season it was the youngsters carrying the senior players - and this has been the case for too many seasons now!!!

I am sorry but the only way a player will really ever learn and become good enough is to play FIRST TEAM FOOTBALL!!! Not reserve football - too many players use this type of football as fitness workouts and it doesn't get the attention and serious input it should!!!

If casement wasn't ready surely Sito was?? I would suggest the tactics and motivation just is not there any longer. A great coach will take whatever group of players is available and get the best out of them. Burley did this to great effect with us, Royle it seems hasn't got a fookin clue. As someone else mentioned there is plenty of talent from the lower leagues itching to be given a chance.

What I find very strange is that we have had 5 highly rated young defenders leave this club since Royle took charge - Justin Miller, Lee Beevers, Chris Hogg, Aidan Collins and Gerard Nash - all 5 were supposed to make a name for themselves with this club - yet all were shipped out while we continued to show faith in older players?? Why weren't these boys given a chance in the FIRST TEAM - to see if they could really make the step-up??

VERY true Moley...
Justin Miller and Lee Beavers have both been linked with QPR this season! And Hogg whenever ive seen him play for Hibs has been head and shoulders above any of there other defenders INCLUDING Caldwell who is off to Celtic in the summer!
I remeber questioning letting these 3 go at the time they left

Luke · Post by **Luke** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:50 am

Also just remeberd...
They let Wayne Brown go, I always felt we should have kept him and he could have done a decent job for us!

the-mole · Post by **the-mole** » Thu May 04, 2006 6:01 am

Luke wrote:Also just remeberd...
They let Wayne Brown go, I always felt we should have kept him and he could have done a decent job for us!

I always liked Wayne Brown - no frills but a good solid strong defender!!!

I guess at the time though he was competing with the likes of Herman, McGreal, Venus and Mogga - so his chances were alot less than others.

Will be good to see him at PR next season!!

Riviera · Post by **Riviera** » Thu May 04, 2006 6:45 am

talking a lot of sense there moley...must be too much sun

as i said earlier in the thread, M'boro have reached 1 semi final and a final this season basically playing the kids, and in a much better league, we're supposed to have the best acadamy in the league so why shouldnt our kids get a chance?

our fans wouldnt get on the backs of young players if they were at least trying..the kids would give 100% effort and passion...which some of the older players have been seriously lacking this season

Luke · Post by **Luke** » Thu May 04, 2006 7:41 am

Riviera wrote:talking a lot of sense there moley...must be too much sun

as i said earlier in the thread, M'boro have reached 1 semi final and a final this season basically playing the kids, and in a much better league, we're supposed to have the best acadamy in the league so why shouldnt our kids get a chance?

our fans wouldnt get on the backs of young players if they were at least trying..the kids would give 100% effort and passion...which some of the older players have been seriously lacking this season

Im afraid your mistaken there Riv mate...
Boro do have a exciting array of youth talent but to say they have got to the semis with just the kids is a false statement...

Parnaby 23
Downing 21 ?
Jones the sub keeper 21
Are probbably the only youngsters who have played a key role
Players such as Catermole, Bates, Morrison have all played a part coming off the bench or playing the odd game, But they are surroded by international experinced players...
Viduka, Schwarzer, Southgate, Ehiogu, Rochemback, Mendieta, Hasslebanink, Yakubu etc etc

the-mole · Post by **the-mole** » Thu May 04, 2006 7:42 am

Riviera wrote:talking a lot of sense there moley...must be too much sun

as i said earlier in the thread, M'boro have reached 1 semi final and a final this season basically playing the kids, and in a much better league, we're supposed to have the best acadamy in the league so why shouldnt our kids get a chance?

our fans wouldnt get on the backs of young players if they were at least trying..the kids would give 100% effort and passion...which some of the older players have been seriously lacking this season

Spot on that man - and yes the sun is lush - although now back a work after sitting outside in the pub!!!

The notion that kids cannot do it is bollox, yes they have inconsistent days, but they give you there all and if they have the talent they will shine through!!

Our kids are not given the chance, only put in when we have no-one else. This is what royle is all about!!!

The Odious Mr Rossi · Post by **The Odious Mr Rossi** » Thu May 04, 2006 8:13 am

loudnproud wrote:So Casement is not ready eh? who says so? The reason of football? Casement is a Centre Half,Its his natural position,You're right Doc! Casement is not ready,Not for right back anyhow! 1)If you felt that you had to field "Players that were not ready",why was Casement playing at Plymouth and not Sito? Oh and whilst on the subject of youngsters Doc, 2) Why is it accepted that Supple and Garvin are ready when at such a young age? You're the "Master coach"(sic),you tell us mortals why this is so?
3) As a player Doc,You were a Scotland international defender....and may i be as bold as asking you where have Ipswich been weak for the past few seasons? was'nt defence by any chance was it? You are ment to be coaching these boys in the art of defending,leading by example!! If our youth at this club,who i hasten to add has been producing tallent long before even you Doc could kick a ball, Is encouraged rather than belittled,
Then perhaps we may not be in such a mess. If you cant take constructive criticism,then either buck up or sod off,I am realy agrieved that a defensive coach as yourself has failed his players in not coaching them correctly in the art of defending.

1) Come on, Donachie...get out of that
2) And that
3) Seem to remember him scoring a classic own goal for Scotland in the World Cup. Obviously he never had a clue about defending.

It's not just Royle out..........also.............Donachie out!!!!!!!!!!!!

MMJR67 · Post by **MMJR67** » Thu May 04, 2006 8:24 am

most of these comment only confirm why none of us are in football for a living,proof positive that opinions are like a$$holes ,everyone has one.ITS BEGINNING to sounds like a bunch of disgruntled norwich fans,sorry

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