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Back to Back wins?

Ipswich Win
8
57%
Q.P.R. Win
4
29%
Draw
2
14%
 
Total votes: 14

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Post by Marvinbay1973 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:08 am

Obviously tensions are high after yesterday, really thought we would push on after Swansea.
PH has taken a big gamble which at the moment has backfired big time, there is no need for people to start calling him a pr*ck and any other abusive words.
I am getting concerned that our great club may well end up in league 1 next season.

Evans is our biggest problem I doubt he gives a sh*t where we end up.

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Post by Tangfastic » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:40 am

Trying to get back to the football yesterday.

Taking the Swansea game and the QPR game into consideration... that felt not like one step forward, one step back but one step forward, and two or three steps back. What an opportunity to build on a win in front of a home crowd.

Really poor. Based on that I’m not sure what Hurst game plan is.

The full back positions were a bad decision. Why not put a specialist RB at right back and the same at LB ?Pennington is not a FB... Donacien is not left footed and offers no width there. If there’s a problem with Knudsen, give Kenlock a chance at LB.

As for the centre backs... shaky at best. And distribution.... much as Chambers a genuine leader and is worth his place in the side for that... he can’t pass the ball. Nsiala is no better. So we’ve got Freddie trying to compete against defenders twice his size after we’ve been forced to punt the ball long.

Biggest bugbear - and has been for years - is the midfield. Disagree with Mike and Aylesbury a bit about Skuse. I think Skuse does excellent work nicking balls of players and tidying up.... but I’ve never seen him control that midfield in the sense of taking the game by the scruff of the neck. He’s not an enforcer type midfielder who can drive forward... nor has he got the ability to spot passes. I don’t think he was to blame for the defeat yesterday and rarely is.... but he’s not the answer to why we should be competing more in midfield and taking control of midfield. He’s able to look OK in poor performances when we’re on the backfoot... but we need him as the senior player to do more. I thought Chalobah had at least the courage to try and get us moving. He’ll take risks... give the ball away... but he seemed like the only one in midfield trying to make something happen. The Skuse debate has been going on for years. I like the bloke and don’t underestimate his contribution, but he obviously thinks the football is a hot potato and offloads the ball as soon as he can - usually sideways - and often puts his other midfielders under pressure when we should be trying to get on the front foot. And yet... I’d pick him in the team, because I can’t see anyone else... and we’ve got much bigger problems than one player. As Aylesbury says... we all have our favourites and pick out the positives, and vies versa with the ones we don’t like. The one reason I’ve picked out Skuse is that the midfield is one area we’ve never got sorted and never seem to dominate... and he’s been a constant there whereby we’ve had innumerable midfielders partnering him who’ve always been dropped. Yesterday we were poor all through the team and it’s unfair on Skuse to single him out... but I’m scratching my head why can’t we compete more and be on the front foot in midfield for years.

Maybe the only positive was Lankester... whilst not having having a memorable debut... he didn’t look out of place and went looking for the ball and tried to make things happen.

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Post by AylesburyBlue » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:16 am

tangfastic wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:40 am
Trying to get back to the football yesterday.

Taking the Swansea game and the QPR game into consideration... that felt not like one step forward, one step back but one step forward, and two or three steps back. What an opportunity to build on a win in front of a home crowd.

Really poor. Based on that I’m not sure what Hurst game plan is.

The full back positions were a bad decision. Why not put a specialist RB at right back and the same at LB ?Pennington is not a FB... Donacien is not left footed and offers no width there. If there’s a problem with Knudsen, give Kenlock a chance at LB.

As for the centre backs... shaky at best. And distribution.... much as Chambers a genuine leader and is worth his place in the side for that... he can’t pass the ball. Nsiala is no better. So we’ve got Freddie trying to compete against defenders twice his size after we’ve been forced to punt the ball long.

Biggest bugbear - and has been for years - is the midfield. Disagree with Mike and Aylesbury a bit about Skuse. I think Skuse does excellent work nicking balls of players and tidying up.... but I’ve never seen him control that midfield in the sense of taking the game by the scruff of the neck. He’s not an enforcer type midfielder who can drive forward... nor has he got the ability to spot passes. I don’t think he was to blame for the defeat yesterday and rarely is.... but he’s not the answer to why we should be competing more in midfield and taking control of midfield. He’s able to look OK in poor performances when we’re on the backfoot... but we need him as the senior player to do more. I thought Chalobah had at least the courage to try and get us moving. He’ll take risks... give the ball away... but he seemed like the only one in midfield trying to make something happen. The Skuse debate has been going on for years. I like the bloke and don’t underestimate his contribution, but he obviously thinks the football is a hot potato and offloads the ball as soon as he can - usually sideways - and often puts his other midfielders under pressure when we should be trying to get on the front foot. And yet... I’d pick him in the team, because I can’t see anyone else... and we’ve got much bigger problems than one player. As Aylesbury says... we all have our favourites and pick out the positives, and vies versa with the ones we don’t like. The one reason I’ve picked out Skuse is that the midfield is one area we’ve never got sorted and never seem to dominate... and he’s been a constant there whereby we’ve had innumerable midfielders partnering him who’ve always been dropped. Yesterday we were poor all through the team and it’s unfair on Skuse to single him out... but I’m scratching my head why can’t we compete more and be on the front foot in midfield for years.

Maybe the only positive was Lankester... whilst not having having a memorable debut... he didn’t look out of place and went looking for the ball and tried to make things happen.
I can’t argue Chalobah tries to make things happen and Skuse is more about winning the ball and passing it on. I don’t mind having a negative player in the middle, one negative one positive is exactly what I want, do the ugly stuff and get rid. Now a days the full backs are supposed to be more of a threat in an attacking sense than most CM (maybe be making an excuse for skuse).... yet we play a RB at LB and a CB at RB (why is Emmanuel on loan?). Ward isn’t directly enough as a winger. Hurst has to take the blame. His tactics are utter crap. I wanted it to work and gave him a chance but your paid by performance and result and yesterday was worse than any game under MM.

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Post by Tangfastic » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:31 am

AylesburyBlue wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:16 am
tangfastic wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:40 am
Trying to get back to the football yesterday.

Taking the Swansea game and the QPR game into consideration... that felt not like one step forward, one step back but one step forward, and two or three steps back. What an opportunity to build on a win in front of a home crowd.

Really poor. Based on that I’m not sure what Hurst game plan is.

The full back positions were a bad decision. Why not put a specialist RB at right back and the same at LB ?Pennington is not a FB... Donacien is not left footed and offers no width there. If there’s a problem with Knudsen, give Kenlock a chance at LB.

As for the centre backs... shaky at best. And distribution.... much as Chambers a genuine leader and is worth his place in the side for that... he can’t pass the ball. Nsiala is no better. So we’ve got Freddie trying to compete against defenders twice his size after we’ve been forced to punt the ball long.

Biggest bugbear - and has been for years - is the midfield. Disagree with Mike and Aylesbury a bit about Skuse. I think Skuse does excellent work nicking balls of players and tidying up.... but I’ve never seen him control that midfield in the sense of taking the game by the scruff of the neck. He’s not an enforcer type midfielder who can drive forward... nor has he got the ability to spot passes. I don’t think he was to blame for the defeat yesterday and rarely is.... but he’s not the answer to why we should be competing more in midfield and taking control of midfield. He’s able to look OK in poor performances when we’re on the backfoot... but we need him as the senior player to do more. I thought Chalobah had at least the courage to try and get us moving. He’ll take risks... give the ball away... but he seemed like the only one in midfield trying to make something happen. The Skuse debate has been going on for years. I like the bloke and don’t underestimate his contribution, but he obviously thinks the football is a hot potato and offloads the ball as soon as he can - usually sideways - and often puts his other midfielders under pressure when we should be trying to get on the front foot. And yet... I’d pick him in the team, because I can’t see anyone else... and we’ve got much bigger problems than one player. As Aylesbury says... we all have our favourites and pick out the positives, and vies versa with the ones we don’t like. The one reason I’ve picked out Skuse is that the midfield is one area we’ve never got sorted and never seem to dominate... and he’s been a constant there whereby we’ve had innumerable midfielders partnering him who’ve always been dropped. Yesterday we were poor all through the team and it’s unfair on Skuse to single him out... but I’m scratching my head why can’t we compete more and be on the front foot in midfield for years.

Maybe the only positive was Lankester... whilst not having having a memorable debut... he didn’t look out of place and went looking for the ball and tried to make things happen.
I can’t argue Chalobah tries to make things happen and Skuse is more about winning the ball and passing it on. I don’t mind having a negative player in the middle, one negative one positive is exactly what I want, do the ugly stuff and get rid. Now a days the full backs are supposed to be more of a threat in an attacking sense than most CM (maybe be making an excuse for skuse).... yet we play a RB at LB and a CB at RB (why is Emmanuel on loan?). Ward isn’t directly enough as a winger. Hurst has to take the blame. His tactics are utter crap. I wanted it to work and gave him a chance but your paid by performance and result and yesterday was worse than any game under MM.
I don’t get the full back business at all. Just seems simple.... put Donacien in his rightful position at RB. The guy should be allowed time to make that position his own... that’s what we bought him for. And why we let Emanuell leave on loan. And I’m not a fan of Knudsen... but it seemed logical to put him at LB. Don’t know if there’s issues between Hurst and Knudsen, but we’ve actually got Kenlock and Bailey Clement if Knudsen isn’t in Hursts plans.
If he wants Pennington in the team so much... put him at CB ... and make a choice between Chambo and Nsiala. Hurst isn’t helping himself by getting the easy decisions wrong.

I wonder if we should go with a 3 man defence with two attacking wing backs .. Skuse playing deep with Chalobah in front. I don’t know.... just seems like we’re scratching around for something to click. It failed miserably yesterday... so Hurst should once more go back to the drawing board. I just wish he’d get the basics right with the full backs.

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Post by Frosty » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:48 am

I can't attend games Tang, so I am reliant on views such as Alesebury and yours obviously.

Each week it sounds like we are re-a arranging deck chairs on the titanic so to speak.

Putting aside the playing of a lone striker, do we actually try and play with any attacking intent?

Its human nature to blame a defender for an error or a forward who puts the ball into the stands, I have always been a believer that successful sides are the ones with the smartest midfielders which I assume is where you are coming from.

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Post by marko69 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:46 pm

Ability has a lot to do with it as well. You say about getting “basics” correct and I agree with that. But he could just be putting sh*te players in different positions.

For me, I reckon he knows the basics....... problem is he’s bought sh*te players, and that is the stuck record of “Evans and his budget the fk OUT” song.

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Post by ashfordblue » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:16 pm

:shock: :shock: Whahooooooooo down there boys, lets start to calm things down, Derick we know your upset with the current situation, Ain't we all, but lets not let this get personnel between us, no more rocking the boat please, we can all put our disagreements on here about the team, Management, and owner, BUT do not get personnel and slag each other off, we look to the likes of Bluemike and Mach Polish and others for the true insight into games they go to, and we must thank them for that, so Derick swallow your pride and apologise to BM and let it never happen again, as i stated comments on the team etc, yes, but no personnel insults, we all get over heated at times and agree to disagree with each other, anyway as BM stated it was a sh*t performance yesterday, but lets keep it that way, (err not he sh*t performances though :D ) lets see what pans out with PH and ME and go from there, will be very interesting to see the outcome up to the January window, me personally i cant see ME giving PH funds to get better players in, but lets wait and see, i could be wrong in my estimation of our owner??????

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Post by JohnnyB » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:22 pm

We’re in trouble now that’s for sure. I hoped for a victory over QPR, and the defeat hurts but it’s the manner of it which is most concerning by the sound of it. It does seem like Hurst may be running out of ideas.

Anyway I’ll be at the Millwall game to see for myself.

Certainly not counting on taking anything away from Elland Road (nor from Hawthorns next month), but we need at least a point
from Millwall, as well as at least 6 points from the November games with Preston, Reading, Brizzle. Anything less and someone else needs to have a go.

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Post by JohnnyB » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:24 pm

Oh West Brom is at home - still...nil points I think

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Post by Bluemike » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:32 pm

JohnnyB wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:22 pm
We’re in trouble now that’s for sure. I hoped for a victory over QPR, and the defeat hurts but it’s the manner of it which is most concerning by the sound of it. It does seem like Hurst may be running out of ideas.

Anyway I’ll be at the Millwall game to see for myself.

Certainly not counting on taking anything away from Elland Road (nor from Hawthorns next month), but we need at least a point
from Millwall, as well as at least 6 points from the November games with Preston, Reading, Brizzle. Anything less and someone else needs to have a go.
Hopefully get to say hi at Millwall mate.

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Post by marko69 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:29 pm

Really glad you joined as JohnnyB and not JohnB, ...., just want to burst into song everytime I see a post. Keep getting visions of a Michael J Fox in BTTF! :D It’s a great thing, keep posting!


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Post by JohnnyB » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:00 pm

I’m happy with that Marko - it’s a great scene especially when he goes all Hendrix anachronistically later on. :D

Yes Mike - and others - I will look out for you. I’m going with my sister and my son. My sister and I lived in Copdock as young kids and my dad took us to matches in the glory days. My 17 year old boy isn’t really into football but I drag him along when I go - he likes the banter I think. And the pies!

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Post by Bluemike » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:06 pm

Great stuff , will keep an eye out for you.

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Post by hallamblue » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:51 pm

Is it my imagination or did that QPR player with the Afro style hair, back into Gerkin causing him to “ miss” the flight of the ball from that corner?

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Post by Tangfastic » Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:30 pm

hallamblue wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:51 pm
Is it my imagination or did that QPR player with the Afro style hair, back into Gerkin causing him to “ miss” the flight of the ball from that corner?
Possibly, but I wondered if he tugged at Gerken. I didn’t see himbacking in... but him more at Gerkens side. There was reaction from Chambers as if there was an infringement. TBH.... I credit QPR on troubling us on corner kicks and we should deal far more strongly in those situations. Gerkens a big bloke who has more license in that penalty box than anyone else to go for the ball and can use his fists or hands so he can’t have any excuses. I just wish we were better at dead ball situations... two good free kicks in the second half and they were just powder puff.

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Post by valleyroad » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:09 am

Charnwood wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:01 pm
I said many moons ago I would have much preferred Evans to have left our football club before McCarthy but sadly there are very few investors around the world who would find our football club an attractive investment proposition.

Unfortunately with Marcus Evans in control there is only one place our club is heading and it isn’t pretty. Our only hope is that he see’s the light and starts digging deep in this long pockets of his otherwise the money he’s invested so far will be right down the drain.
I'm not sure on the investors bit. I think Ipswich is an attractive investment with the right owners. You only have to look at Bournemouth.
The biggest mistake Ipswich Town FANS made was getting rid of Mick McCarthy. Its also not fair to blame Evans on that as he realised the quality in McCarthy. Unfortunately the morons won on that one. Morons seem to be winning quite a lot these days outside football too ?

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Post by Quasar » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:08 am

Cue Song from Shampoo :

Uh-Oh, We're In Trouble,
Something's Come Along And It's Burst Our Bubble
(Yeah, Yeah!) Uh-Oh, We're In Trouble,
Gotta Get Evans Out Quick March On The Double!

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Post by Frosty » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:13 am

The most annoying thing for me is that we are now in a similar position where we were under Keane/Jewell where we get a new manager in and spend yet another season trying to dodge relegation.... it’s becoming bloody soul destroying.

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Post by Bluemike » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:25 am

Never once prior to this have I ever felt relegation was a possibility, not even when we were bottom under Keane last time, this time we have one hell of a battle on our hands.

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Post by marko69 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:07 pm

Must admit, the last two weeks of the Jewell tenure, I thought, "FUUUUUK, Ipswich Town v Gillingham games."

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Post by Steve and Jo » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:31 pm

Few years ago Ipswich were similar position. We then appointed an experience manager who got us out of trouble and in the next few years not once did most of us think we would be in this situation again...

Read lots rubbish about young manager and bringing in lower league players. Lets be honest we have what we have a team that's in most parts playing players from lower leagues. You buy a league 1 player you get a league 1 player, you buy a league 2 player you get a league 2 player when playing so many. If it was just one or two you maybe can get away with it. I think to a certain degree Paul is slightly panicking, playing players out of position is disastrous.

The formation for me is not working, yes both goals on Saturday were gifts. Nobody can count for a goal keeping error and the penalty was laughable. Thing is how often is this or similar happening? How many gifts of goals have we given away. How many stupid mistakes like sending offs have we had so far? I think we are close to same sending off in number now thann MM had in his entire time with Ipswich. Ask yourself why?
I didn't want MM to leave, not just saying now i said it all along the grass is not always greener other side. MM could be a pain, maybe was a pain, ok he was but at least he got players who knew what they were doing and playing as a team, right now not sure if its a team or not.

Been said before real problem is upstairs in owner, if he had backed MM i wouldn't mind betting we would be in premiership. MM had it bad from fans on forums but looking through this it seems PH has it even worse. Most wanted change, well you got it big time, shame not change in ownership though.

I certainly don't agree with members bad mouthing other members. Had some having a go at me in the past why i don't post often. Had some giving my wife even worse, we all support Ipswich and even though we all have different thoughts and ideas its nobodies fault on this forum we are sinking quicker than a brick thrown in a well

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Post by Mach_Polish_Blue » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:32 pm

valleyroad wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:09 am
Charnwood wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:01 pm
I said many moons ago I would have much preferred Evans to have left our football club before McCarthy but sadly there are very few investors around the world who would find our football club an attractive investment proposition.

Unfortunately with Marcus Evans in control there is only one place our club is heading and it isn’t pretty. Our only hope is that he see’s the light and starts digging deep in this long pockets of his otherwise the money he’s invested so far will be right down the drain.
I'm not sure on the investors bit. I think Ipswich is an attractive investment with the right owners. You only have to look at Bournemouth.
The biggest mistake Ipswich Town FANS made was getting rid of Mick McCarthy. Its also not fair to blame Evans on that as he realised the quality in McCarthy. Unfortunately the morons won on that one. Morons seem to be winning quite a lot these days outside football too ?
Mick McCarthy should have a left far sooner. He was an obnoxious, ignorant git.

Where is he now, eh? No-one wants to give this lout a job.

But the problems are far deeper than a manager. That's Evans a major reason of our decline.

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Post by arana peligrosa » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:53 pm

If the club fell through to League One it wouldn't be a disaster, at least not in the literal sense, there's more important concerns in life : simply means playing at a lower level, hell the club would still exist or continue to operate.

Not that you'd wish for such a scenario but given the mess on the field it's something that should be entertained. One of - if not the - primary concerns would be the ability to rejoin Championship status as this teams' record with lower league sides in well authenticated in that we struggle to overcome teams in League One and Two and invariably make it hard for ourselves. Therefore could you imagine a season in that trend, I don't believe we'd make it back at the first attempt or even second, particularly while Evans keeps his as* in position.

Furthermore if I get to see (quote) "getting rid of McCarthy was a mistake / not fair to blame Evans etc" one additional time I'd start to question life's existing rationality. It was near imperative the former had to go, same applies to the latter, however (regrettably) that individual is going to present more of a challenge to dispose of.

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Post by marko69 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:10 pm

You could've saved yourself a shed load of time there, Steve.......
Steve and Jo wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:31 pm
Lets be honest we have what we have......
A businessman owner with no "football" ambition. That's it really.

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Post by valleyroad » Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:42 pm

Mach_Polish_Blue wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:32 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:09 am
Charnwood wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:01 pm
I said many moons ago I would have much preferred Evans to have left our football club before McCarthy but sadly there are very few investors around the world who would find our football club an attractive investment proposition.

Unfortunately with Marcus Evans in control there is only one place our club is heading and it isn’t pretty. Our only hope is that he see’s the light and starts digging deep in this long pockets of his otherwise the money he’s invested so far will be right down the drain.
I'm not sure on the investors bit. I think Ipswich is an attractive investment with the right owners. You only have to look at Bournemouth.
The biggest mistake Ipswich Town FANS made was getting rid of Mick McCarthy. Its also not fair to blame Evans on that as he realised the quality in McCarthy. Unfortunately the morons won on that one. Morons seem to be winning quite a lot these days outside football too ?
Mick McCarthy should have a left far sooner. He was an obnoxious, ignorant git.

Where is he now, eh? No-one wants to give this lout a job.

But the problems are far deeper than a manager. That's Evans a major reason of our decline.
I would doubt MM hasn't had a job offer. In fact I would think he has had plenty but is waiting on one that really appeals to him. The fact that you think he hasn't maybe demonstrates your ignorance ?
I personally don't think MM is obnoxious or ignorant. Nor I suspect do the players who played under him. I think the people who demanded his removal belong in that camp.
The man worked his guts off for Ipswich Town, hugely overachieved and gets rewarded with disgraceful abuse.
Well Ipswich are paying a heavy price for it now. Deluded fan base getting a right royal dose of reality.
Yes a new manager may change the clubs fortunes but I very much doubt any manager that Ipswich can attract at the moment will come close to achieving what MM did.

Every manager who has worked under Evans has also been hugely complimentary to the man and how he operates. Evans doesn't have the will nor probably the means to invest in the club to the level that would take them to Premiership. So until someone comes in who can or Ipswich get the genius manager then it wont change.

A change of manager to someone with experience and know how will probably keep Town up but that is it until finances change

BTW the tone of your reply and the words used don't do you any favours

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Queens Park Rangers Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Bluemike » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:05 pm

valleyroad wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:42 pm
Mach_Polish_Blue wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:32 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:09 am

I'm not sure on the investors bit. I think Ipswich is an attractive investment with the right owners. You only have to look at Bournemouth.
The biggest mistake Ipswich Town FANS made was getting rid of Mick McCarthy. Its also not fair to blame Evans on that as he realised the quality in McCarthy. Unfortunately the morons won on that one. Morons seem to be winning quite a lot these days outside football too ?
Mick McCarthy should have a left far sooner. He was an obnoxious, ignorant git.

Where is he now, eh? No-one wants to give this lout a job.

But the problems are far deeper than a manager. That's Evans a major reason of our decline.
I would doubt MM hasn't had a job offer. In fact I would think he has had plenty but is waiting on one that really appeals to him. The fact that you think he hasn't maybe demonstrates your ignorance ?
I personally don't think MM is obnoxious or ignorant. Nor I suspect do the players who played under him. I think the people who demanded his removal belong in that camp.
The man worked his guts off for Ipswich Town, hugely overachieved and gets rewarded with disgraceful abuse.
Well Ipswich are paying a heavy price for it now. Deluded fan base getting a right royal dose of reality.
Yes a new manager may change the clubs fortunes but I very much doubt any manager that Ipswich can attract at the moment will come close to achieving what MM did.

Every manager who has worked under Evans has also been hugely complimentary to the man and how he operates. Evans doesn't have the will nor probably the means to invest in the club to the level that would take them to Premiership. So until someone comes in who can or Ipswich get the genius manager then it wont change.

A change of manager to someone with experience and know how will probably keep Town up but that is it until finances change

BTW the tone of your reply and the words used don't do you any favours
Why does that demonstrate Mach's ignorance ? Because he has an opinion that you don't share ? Mach travels the length and breadth of the country supporting Town and spends sheds loads of money in the process, he saw first hand the utter borefest that at times Town churned up under MM and is entitled to feel the way he does. Don't get me wrong for a long time I too felt it was wrong what the fans did to MM and in certain instances I still do but to suggest a Town fan who has a good understanding of the game and who loves his club is Ignorant is wrong mate.

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Queens Park Rangers Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Mach_Polish_Blue » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:18 pm

The tone of my reply and the words used don't do me any favours? Mind your own words, OK? Calling our fans morons by you is fine then?

You need more clear answer. Right, I repeat that Mick McCarthy is an obnoxious, arrogant person who doesn't deserve any respect for the way he treated our fans and club. I don't care how I'll be labelled by people for that but what I'm saying about him is a fact. He had no affinity with the club, it was all about his flawed ego.
I don't care that he's saved us once from relegation. The man is an ill-mannered lout. He hated anybody questioning his decisions.

Worked his guts off for Ipswich Town? By how, by playing three defensive midfielders against Rotherham at home? Or when he had no intention to attack opponents?

Show me a manager in the four professional leagues who is treating his club's fans with such contempt and disrespect McCarthy did towards us.

BTW isn't your name Mick McCarthy? How is the job search going?

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Queens Park Rangers Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by valleyroad » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:40 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:05 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:42 pm
Mach_Polish_Blue wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:32 pm


Mick McCarthy should have a left far sooner. He was an obnoxious, ignorant git.

Where is he now, eh? No-one wants to give this lout a job.

But the problems are far deeper than a manager. That's Evans a major reason of our decline.
I would doubt MM hasn't had a job offer. In fact I would think he has had plenty but is waiting on one that really appeals to him. The fact that you think he hasn't maybe demonstrates your ignorance ?
I personally don't think MM is obnoxious or ignorant. Nor I suspect do the players who played under him. I think the people who demanded his removal belong in that camp.
The man worked his guts off for Ipswich Town, hugely overachieved and gets rewarded with disgraceful abuse.
Well Ipswich are paying a heavy price for it now. Deluded fan base getting a right royal dose of reality.
Yes a new manager may change the clubs fortunes but I very much doubt any manager that Ipswich can attract at the moment will come close to achieving what MM did.

Every manager who has worked under Evans has also been hugely complimentary to the man and how he operates. Evans doesn't have the will nor probably the means to invest in the club to the level that would take them to Premiership. So until someone comes in who can or Ipswich get the genius manager then it wont change.

A change of manager to someone with experience and know how will probably keep Town up but that is it until finances change

BTW the tone of your reply and the words used don't do you any favours
Why does that demonstrate Mach's ignorance ? Because he has an opinion that you don't share ? Mach travels the length and breadth of the country supporting Town and spends sheds loads of money in the process, he saw first hand the utter borefest that at times Town churned up under MM and is entitled to feel the way he does. Don't get me wrong for a long time I too felt it was wrong what the fans did to MM and in certain instances I still do but to suggest a Town fan who has a good understanding of the game and who loves his club is Ignorant is wrong mate.
I think the idea that MM hasn't had an offer from another club aptly demonstrates his ignorance. He will no doubt have the same opinion of me given I think the opposite. I'm not fussed, I don't take any offense to it at all. He's more than entitled to his opinion. Also i don't give a monkey's if someone disagrees with me.

If MM had a proper amount of money to spend you wouldn't have had a borefest as you put it. Ipswich would probably have been in the Premieship and would have played some decent football getting there !.
As it was getting to play-off and being comfortably mid table is the best Ipswich can realisticly hope for and given the money available it wont be playing like Barca !

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Queens Park Rangers Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by JohnnyB » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:16 pm

MM’s brand of long ball, defensive minded football was enough to keep Town in the championship, but not enough to take us anywhere, not even on a little cup run. No one in their right mind would prefer being where we are now to that. But the silver lining of this cloud is that in this situation Evans surely has to act. He can’t just shrug his shoulders and let us go down without a fight and to be fair he has taken action before when Town have been in this position.

Personally I hope Hurst achieves enough to keep us fighting going into the new year. If that’s the case and we’re hovering around the drop zone but not sunk then we need investment in wily pros to get us out.

If Hurst loses the dressing room though and results tank (I’m looking at Millwall, Reading, Preston and Brizzle as games where we need to take a significant amount of points to stay in the fight) then Evans needs to recruit an experienced manager to get us out of the sh*t. Although who that could be I don’t know...

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