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Ando wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:58 am

As for Bart, yes he has been well below what we have been used too over the years but he has been exposed by a fragile back four with some schoolboy defending at times, therefore any mistake Bart makes is magnified and not all the blame should be laid at his door.....

marko69 wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:06 am

Ando wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:58 am

As for Bart, yes he has been well below what we have been used too over the years but he has been exposed by a fragile back four with some schoolboy defending at times, therefore any mistake Bart makes is magnified and not all the blame should be laid at his door.....

Do agree with this but on the strength of it, went and watched those highlights again........., he looks overweight and slow. Seems extremely late to all the party's!

But agree about defence. It has been an issue for years. Ipswich haven't (arguably) had a solid defender since Hermann Hreidarsson.

Ando wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:09 am

marko69 wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:06 am

Ando wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:58 am

As for Bart, yes he has been well below what we have been used too over the years but he has been exposed by a fragile back four with some schoolboy defending at times, therefore any mistake Bart makes is magnified and not all the blame should be laid at his door.....

Do agree with this but on the strength of it, went and watched those highlights again........., he looks overweight and slow. Seems extremely late to all the party's!

But agree about defence. It has been an issue for years. Ipswich haven't (arguably) had a solid defender since Hermann Hreidarsson.

Berra was pretty decent for us, can't see how Bart can get over weight he has more to do than the strikers thus burning more calories

Charnwood wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:27 am

Ando wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:09 am

marko69 wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:06 am

Do agree with this but on the strength of it, went and watched those highlights again........., he looks overweight and slow. Seems extremely late to all the party's!

But agree about defence. It has been an issue for years. Ipswich haven't (arguably) had a solid defender since Hermann Hreidarsson.

Berra was pretty decent for us, can't see how Bart can get over weight he has more to do than the strikers thus burning more calories

Bart must surely have burned a few picking the ball out of the back of the net!

nicscreamer wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:05 pm

Oh dear. Maybe the players have now given up for the season? Can’t see Monday being any better .
An embarrassing end to an embarrassing season

Earl Blue wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:58 pm

nicscreamer wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:05 pm

Oh dear. Maybe the players have now given up for the season? Can’t see Monday being any better .
An embarrassing end to an embarrassing season

Are you possibly suggesting that they actually got started..

saint jude wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:55 pm

mugen1 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:14 pm

Played 43, won 4. Is this going to be some kind of unwanted record?
Make me eat my words ITFC, I'm dreading League 1

Is that statistic really factual ? Can't be bothered to verify but won't dispute, sounds about correct in all truth. Simply embarrassing if not shameful. Can't be bothered to castigate the manager, it's a f**king futile endeavor. Three wins in 28 games tells it as it is but many will continue to continued plaudits and continued recognition. While you're at it you may want to take a moment to look at our managers previous win ratios with former club sides. Or don't.

I don't know what it is with managers at this club but for the last 15 years it's been one garbage appointment after another. Jim Magilton, Keane, Jewell, McCarthy, Hurst .... Seriously what the hell has happened here, this used to a team that was entertaining to watch and on the verge of accomplishments. It's been sh*t for as long as many can remember, of course the owner takes it's share of responsibility for lack of progress but am sick and tired of berating the individual when no change occurs or never forthcoming.

I don't like to give them any adulation but credit where it's due you take a view at Norwich and the club set-up, i.e. manager, ownership, players brought in, team ethic and motivation. Clear polar opposite of ourselves. You can bang on about the respective histories but they got themselves some serious progress underway and painful as it is to acknowledge, a team that is going places and able to challenge.

Hasn't just been today for us, it's the culmination of many weeks of sub-standard scores and performances. Some again will bury their heads in their asses and envisage some bright future ahead but got a real hard time viewing it myself. Going to get worse if there aren't some radical changes ahead in areas that hardly require elaboration.

Incidentally just had the opportunity to view highlights, and Yes, it was all the above.

valleyroad wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:02 pm

McCarthy was a good appointment. Magilton is a decent coach also, you don't work under Michael O'Neil if your crap..

Ipswich won't progress until proper investment happens. Until then the club will continue to trundle along going nowhere. It doesn't matter who the manager is in terms of meeting fans expectations, they won't be met because most of them are a fantasy. It does matter who is appointed though as the wrong appointment takes the club further down the downwards spiral, this season being a case in point.

Andym wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:15 pm

valleyroad wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:02 pm

McCarthy was a good appointment. Magilton is a decent coach also, you don't work under Michael O'Neil if your crap..

Ipswich won't progress until proper investment happens. Until then the club will continue to trundle along going nowhere. It doesn't matter who the manager is in terms of meeting fans expectations, they won't be met because most of them are a fantasy. It does matter who is appointed though as the wrong appointment takes the club further down the downwards spiral, this season being a case in point.

I agree with some of what you say. I thought Magilton did a decent job until he was given money to spend. His inexperience let him down then.

McCarthy was a good appointment and I expect he would have kept us in the Championship. But....

But I wanted him out. I don't regret it at all. I was bored to tears. If I dare say so I was bored before many others as quality of football and entertainment is more important to me than results.

The way I see it is like this. ME will only go when he's ready. I don't criticise him because the club is costing him a lot of money. I daren't think where we would be without him. And if he can / will "only" fund the club at a league 1 level, that's ok with me.....as long as we can play entertaining football in league 1. I'm not expecting miracles. I don't expect a quick return. We have had some matches recently that suggest we might at least be entertained.....although the last 3 or 4 games suggest otherwise. That is the challenge; to bring the fans back by entertaining us. The jury is definitely out on that one.

hallamblue wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:34 am

Got some info ref that Mike. Can’t put it on media yet though . C ya soon xx