How are the youngsters doing?

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How are the youngsters doing?

Post by number 9 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:14 pm

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... for-august

Nice to see two ITFC players make the best 11. Special praise for Luke Woolfenden...he's stepping up just like we asked. Also, lots of positive comments for Dobra on Tuesday night. Downes has been a pillar of strength in the midfield, so far. I'm hoping more of the youngsters will begin to make an impression.

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Re: How are the youngsters doing?

Post by Bluemike » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:20 pm

And yet our academy is naff and over hyped.

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Re: How are the youngsters doing?

Post by number 9 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:35 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:20 pm
And yet our academy is naff and over hyped.
Have to admit I've been one of those critics of our academy. I'll be pleased to be proven wrong...which seems to be the case with the direction we are finally heading.
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Re: How are the youngsters doing?

Post by Shed on tour » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:44 pm

I’m a bit surprised that Downes is not included in that 11.
Imo he was our best player in August.

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Re: How are the youngsters doing?

Post by Bluemike » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:45 pm

Its not an opinion Shed, he was without question the best player in August

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Re: How are the youngsters doing?

Post by Ricco » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:36 pm

A good academy is worth nothing if you can't make use of those players, or demand fair prices for them. That is where we have often failed over the last 10+ years, whether that is the clubs fault, or whether these days they're powerless against the demands of these young primadonnas I don't know, but the first fact remains true.

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Re: How are the youngsters doing?

Post by marko69 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:42 pm

Flynn Downes, 2023, £25M move to the Gooners. Book it.

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Post by tangfastic » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:43 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:20 pm
And yet our academy is naff and over hyped.
Well I think until now it has been over-hyped. How many ‘next-big-things’ have come and disappeared? Downes has been great this season. Woolfy looks strong and can only get better. Feels like a new signing as he was unproven really with us before this season.
League 1 could be the best environment to blood and progress the youngsters, but it’s not easy at the moment to break into the team, especially in midfield. I’d love to see Dobra given a chance on the bench next game.

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Post by JohnnyB » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:37 pm

marko69 wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:42 pm
Flynn Downes, 2023, £25M move to the Gooners. Book it.
I’d take that. 4 years to get us back in the premier?

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Post by saint jude » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:15 am

In years past the team could pride itself on a promising junior set-up / academy but times change. Some say the key to a good side is a balance of youth and experience but we've in the main gone with the former in recent years. It's not just the caliber - or potential - of any kids we may have, they need to be mentored and nurtured the right way in order to fulfil expectation. I don't get to see all the in's and out's at the club in terms of training and routine like some others but the season thus far is testament we're attracting and producing something that works. Not just for now but for future purpose. Once again it's too premature to make proper judgment but the signs thus far seem promising.

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Re: How are the youngsters doing?

Post by Bluemike » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:59 am

Absolutely spot on SJ , "they need to be mentored and nurtured in the right way" !!! We have had some great kids come through in recent times and I don't believe that's been happening, it's strange now we have Paul Lambert that it suddenly seems to be happening again.

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Post by TODD66 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:13 am

Bluemike wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:59 am
Absolutely spot on SJ , "they need to be mentored and nurtured in the right way" !!! We have had some great kids come through in recent times and I don't believe that's been happening, it's strange now we have Paul Lambert that it suddenly seems to be happening again.
Was thinking the same thing last night whilst looking at this thread.

How can we say we have not produced any good young players that have broken into the 1st team over the last 10 years when in fact management very rarely chose to play any over the loanees and journeymen they had brought in.

If you never give them the chance you will never know, leaving the view from the outside that the acadamy is failing when in fact the talent is just being stiffled.

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Post by tangfastic » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:16 am

Bluemike wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:59 am
Absolutely spot on SJ , "they need to be mentored and nurtured in the right way" !!! We have had some great kids come through in recent times and I don't believe that's been happening, it's strange now we have Paul Lambert that it suddenly seems to be happening again.
Lambert bluntly put down the achievements of the 23’s in winning the league. He went on record to say it means nothing, and they have to force their way into the first team. I like that. A bit of tough love alongside a bit of encouragement. Without establishing themselves in the first team, it’s just potential which can come to nothing.

TBH.... this season he’s put his faith into three youngsters in Downes, Woolfenden and Kenlock. The other youngsters have been peripheral ie the odd cameo from El Mizouni or Dozzell making one lovely pass. Downes and Woolfenden have come good this far, but Kenlock is seen by many as the weak link. I hope Kenlock comes good as I’ve backed him in the past, but at least Lambert has given him the opportunity of a decent run in the team. It’s up to these lads to grab the chance when it comes along.

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Re: How are the youngsters doing?

Post by marko69 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:04 am

tangfastic wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:16 am
It’s up to these lads to grab the chance when it comes along.
That’s it summarised nicely.

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Re: How are the youngsters doing?

Post by Bluemike » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:29 am

Downes, Woolfenden & Kenlock are definitely the main Three but I think Lambert rates El Mizouni too so don't be surprised to see him getting game game time as the season progresses, there is little doubt that Lankester would have established himself in the first team and had the big boys not poached Ben Knight & Flores for peanuts they too would have been successes of the academy.

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Re: How are the youngsters doing?

Post by Ando » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:52 am

To be honest because of relegation and even less money to work with Lambert has not really had any choice other than to use our youngsters. Downes broke through last season, for me, Woolfenden has been the biggest success thus far this season.

What Lambert has delivered on is restricting loanees. Although Garbutt is on loan I think both parties view this season as a step towards a permanent deal if we get promoted.

The drop to L1 will only help their development and allow them to make a break through. What I can see happening is our good youngsters going for much larger transfer fees and it will be that money that gets us competing for promotion from the championship not the players themselves unfortunately.

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Re: How are the youngsters doing?

Post by number 9 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:19 pm

https://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-new ... eet-record

Not one of our original youngsters, but what an impressive start KVY is having. A great example of astute recruiting...kudos to those who made this happen. I can see him as a spokesperson for lubricants: "I play football for Ipswich Town, and my first choice for lubricant is KVY gel." :lol:

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Re: How are the youngsters doing?

Post by Bluemike » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:37 pm

He's been a revelation and I'm stunned he hasn't been snapped up before this by someone, very talented footballer. As you say well done to those that made this happen, 500k looks a bargain.

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