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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by Bluemike » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:24 pm

Lambert wouldn't have been going anywhere covid or no covid, just the same as Skuse and Chambo won't either although I think they will be well short of ever presents next time around.

I'd happily take a season or Two to rebuild if it means watching a team with the likes of Dobra, El Mizouni, Lankester, Bishop, Hughes, Downes, Woolfenden, Nydam etc etc playing good attacking and entertaining football, add the likes of Holy, KVY, Norwood, Jackson etc and a few fresh faces and I wont be disappointed, the last few months have taught me what I already knew it's about the whole match day experience, beer, friends, atmosphere, expectations and being able to get out of the f**king house, winning is a bonus, I won't throw the toys out of the pram for a good while yet, I just want to get back to proper Saturdays again.

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by tangfastic » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:32 pm

Forgot about Nydam. I thought a lot of him a couple of seasons back. Had some terrible luck since. I’d love to see him come back into the picture.

My big hope is Dobra. Got a bit of x-factor about him and he looks like he can stand up to the physicality.

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by Bluemike » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:54 pm

I think Lankester is special too, just needs to get this back problem beaten which hopefully he has.

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by number 9 » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:19 pm

Don't forget about Folami. I assume he'll be back next season?

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by Charnwood » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:29 pm

hallamblue wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:39 pm
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Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:45 pm
The one good thing I see coming out of this is lack of finance becoming a leveller in Leagues 1 & 2. There are no parachute payment clubs to compete against and the clubs relegated from the Championship tend to be the poorer ones. If anything we will probably be one of the better off clubs given our season ticket income, gate receipts and sponsorship money will most likely be at the top end for clubs at our level.
Success will therefore be directly linked to player development, coaching, managerial expertise, tactical awareness, motivation and a bit of luck. If this is the case and I’ve not simplified it too much, surely we should have every chance of challenging for a play off place and shouldn’t easily accept or expect anything less.
I think this is exactly the intended pathway The Club have set out upon. Over a year ago, Lambert and Evans said they were going to look to a different approach. One that meant focusing on developing our own academy players ....” aiming to have 50% of the First team within 5 years, comprising of players developed through our own academy”. Last season I think Klug said we were ahead of schedule. Last season Evans also laid out the Clubs strategy of recruiting “ younger players from lower divisions with the aim of developing the, further within the Club”. I think players like Josh Earl who we had here on loan ( from Tranmere?), and more recently , Crane signed from Bury Town ( Suffolk) is an indication that we are actively looking for these types of players. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Josh Earl return here for the next season. I’m trying to find out if this might happen, as he is a good friend of my friends daughter who live in Manchester.

Fans are perhaps unrealistic , or perhaps more accurate to say, impatient for things to change on the pitch, but the building of the squad from the bottom up takes time....several seasons. Lambert actually alluded to that this time last year when during an interview (when asked what was the aim for the season 2019/20), he said “obviously promotion, we will try our best”....but then he also said this might happen this year, but may take a couple of seasons, I don’t know“. I think that last little comment went under the radar a bit for many..but it definitely wasn’t lost on me at the time.


I really AM looking forward to seeing a much younger squad this coming season. Lambert really does need to clear out the older journeymen. The recruitment of younger players from the lower divisions will be cheaper, and therefore within the new budget constraints. In some ways (and I don’t want this taken the wrong way ie no ambition), but being in League One for another season, away from the influences of the toxic Premier League / Championship, Money-go- round, farce that Sky have created, will allow Town to rebuild at a steady and more sustainable pace. The younger players can develop at that next senior level and grow together. Our biggest issue will be hanging onto these better players. I can accept we , like 95% of clubs are selling Clubs, but only if Evans actually starts to get fair prices for these players. But this is more to do with the EFL and PL hierarchy creating some form of more equitable regulation surrounding fees for young players in this Country. But that’s a whole different debate for another day.


Going forwards, Lambert must address the squad size, playing style and his rotation system must end to the degree he used it last season.

NB the other critical thing I’ve forgotten to mention is the need for at least THREE “ leaders” in the team ( ideally spread throughout the 3 thirds of the pitch. We simply don’t have and guts in the squad to deal with the physicality of League One. As a side , Town have been bullied off the ball for YEARS. This has to change.

Good to see you getting involved again Liz.👍

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by Bluemike » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:34 pm

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Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:19 pm
Don't forget about Folami. I assume he'll be back next season?
Yes he's one of the "etc etc" lol. I like what I saw of Folami pre his serious injury, I think he can carve out a decent career at Town, certainly at this level. Ben Morris is another one, again a victim of serious injury.

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by Ricco » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:38 am

I can understand that things like that take time Liz, but it's not like it's only been recently that's they've mentioned that tack. They've been harping on about youth for years and we've not seen a huge amount of impact from it, though obviously there has been some promise.

Besides, it's a risky strategy, there's absolutely no guarantee you can attract and produce youth players at the level required and even if you were to, there were 20 premiership teams looking to hoover up our promising stars when we were in the championship and now in league 1 there are 44 potential vultures eyeing up our youth squads.

Yes I like the sound of it, and academies could be a way of separating ourselves from those around us in league 1, we should lead the way in that aspect. But as I say, we will be observed most closely from above and I see it that it's more that its our only option as we seemingly have no money to do anything else, it is the club having its hand forced and not ME being a genius... like other clubs wouldn't see something with such obvious potential and he would? Give me a break.

Edit: me asking ME and his PR cronies to give me a break, not you Liz!!!

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by Bluemike » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:49 am

So what's the answer? We've gone with older experienced pro's, hasn't worked, we went with experienced loans, hasn't worked, we dabbled with youth, hasn't worked, we tried keane, Jewell, McCarthy, Hurst and Lambert, hasn't worked, without Evan's we have nobody else who appears to want the club, what's the answer ? For me it has to be youth going forward with a steely determination from the top not to sell them off at every opportunity, clearly a sale here and there is essential even more so now just to survive.

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by Andym » Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:42 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:49 am
So what's the answer? We've gone with older experienced pro's, hasn't worked, we went with experienced loans, hasn't worked, we dabbled with youth, hasn't worked, we tried keane, Jewell, McCarthy, Hurst and Lambert, hasn't worked, without Evan's we have nobody else who appears to want the club, what's the answer ? For me it has to be youth going forward with a steely determination from the top not to sell them off at every opportunity, clearly a sale here and there is essential even more so now just to survive.
I agree. We have to rely on young players. There have ben several coming through; some will make it and others won't. As supporters we have to be patient as they will make mistakes while they are learning the game.

We also need to remember that every club is a selling club if the price is right. And it's not just down to price either. If you're playing in league 1 and a championship club shows interest, you're very likely to want to go to a higher level. it's no different to anyone in a job being headhunted and being offered a better salary. It's easy to blame the club for selling and I agree we have to try and get a fair price for the youngsters, but at the end of the day it does no one any favours keeping a player who wants to go.

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by saint jude » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:20 pm

All the names mentioned were sh*t. Realized what was ahead before time, guess hindsight serves a purpose. Could have brought in names like Ranieri, McInnes or Howe etc but the club goes for middling appointments that have essentially failed elsewhere albeit with sporadic success few and far between.

This club is no longer an attractive proposition for both players and potential ownership. We don't have the money to feasibly compete in the transfer market and seems more loans over time come in than actual bought players. The club has been associated with a steady academy project in years past but who's coming through now that can make a difference.

Either when and how the team is involved once more, either they'll really rise to the occasion after time away or continue the trend of general garbage. Some won't tolerate excuses or bad performance when we're up and running once more such has been the break / time to focus and re-energize.

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by marko69 » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:39 pm

Whit? McInnes? McInnes in amongst names like Ranieri & Howe? :lol:
No matter how bad anyone thinks Lambo is, thank the sweet mother of Jaysus it wasn’t McInnes.
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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by hallamblue » Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:21 pm

Ricco wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:38 am
I can understand that things like that take time Liz, but it's not like it's only been recently that's they've mentioned that tack. They've been harping on about youth for years and we've not seen a huge amount of impact from it, though obviously there has been some promise.

Besides, it's a risky strategy, there's absolutely no guarantee you can attract and produce youth players at the level required and even if you were to, there were 20 premiership teams looking to hoover up our promising stars when we were in the championship and now in league 1 there are 44 potential vultures eyeing up our youth squads.

Yes I like the sound of it, and academies could be a way of separating ourselves from those around us in league 1, we should lead the way in that aspect. But as I say, we will be observed most closely from above and I see it that it's more that its our only option as we seemingly have no money to do anything else, it is the club having its hand forced and not ME being a genius... like other clubs wouldn't see something with such obvious potential and he would? Give me a break.

Edit: me asking ME and his PR cronies to give me a break, not you Liz!!!
Lol ,I did realise that 😂

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by Ricco » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:46 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:49 am
So what's the answer?
Not saying its not the answer Mike, investing in youth is something I would do if I were an owner. My point was that is the option by default partly because we've exhausted and failed all other avenues, it shouldn't be seen as a master plan from ME and therfore shouldn't be seen as a reliable plan of attack.

It's risky and its not a clever policy by ME, it is a cheap policy and we shouldn't get our hopes up.
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Lol ,I did realise that 😂
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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by Bluemike » Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:18 am

To be fair the club did say a few seasons back it was their wish to have at least half the first team filled with academy products so I don't think its entirely correct that we are stumbling into that scenario, it takes time especially when we are cherry picked by the likes of Arsenal and Man City for talents like Flores and Ben Knight, Two players who would almost certainly have graced our first team and who we have heard nothing of since their departures.

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by tangfastic » Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:14 am

I just think these five-point plans or long-term plans are put out to appease the fans. Great in theory, but, in practice, I don’t see where there’s been a real drive to implement them.

For example, there was a time last season where Judge, Huws, Nolan, Skuse and others were being rotated and we weren’t getting anywhere with these senior pro’s, yet young players like Dobra and El Mizouni (maybe even Dozzell) were being overlooked. Lambert appeared to be rotating under-performing senior players to keep them happy and over-looking the kids. We were at a stage where it wouldn’t have hurt to drop a Judge or a Huws or a Nolan and give, say, Dobra a go, because we were bloody awful and losing anyway.

I just think we’re at a stage where we have to play the kids out of necessity - rather than part of a plan. If we have to strip down the size of the squad and play youngsters, then I’m all for that - but I don’t like getting fed some PR that this is part of a long-term plan. I don’t think you can have a long term plan, really, as top young players get picked off by bigger clubs and so many youngsters don’t make the grade and get released. You can’t rely on a conveyor belt of top youngsters coming through every year to replace the ones who leave.

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

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Bluemike wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:24 pm
Lambert wouldn't have been going anywhere covid or no covid, just the same as Skuse and Chambo won't either although I think they will be well short of ever presents next time around.

I'd happily take a season or Two to rebuild if it means watching a team with the likes of Dobra, El Mizouni, Lankester, Bishop, Hughes, Downes, Woolfenden, Nydam etc etc playing good attacking and entertaining football, add the likes of Holy, KVY, Norwood, Jackson etc and a few fresh faces and I wont be disappointed, the last few months have taught me what I already knew it's about the whole match day experience, beer, friends, atmosphere, expectations and being able to get out of the f**king house, winning is a bonus, I won't throw the toys out of the pram for a good while yet, I just want to get back to proper Saturdays again.
Same here mike, missing the family day out and building some great memories as a family especially the few away days we did.

Just hope it’s not too long before we can get back to PR again.

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Post by hallamblue » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:46 am

I reckon that when fans are finally allowed back into grounds, Clubs will have record attendances. Can’t wait. I’ve almost forgotten how poor Town were :lol:

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by Bluemike » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:15 am

I quite like the idea of reduced attendances, hopefully get rid of the pr*ck element.

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by marko69 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:04 pm

From speaking with a few buddies...... there ain’t going to be any attendance records being broken at Easter Road. Most are like myself and aren’t renewing until August 2021.
Can see a hardcore 8K fans in Leith when it’s all opened again.
Can’t speak for everyone but why would I social distance for FKN .....M O N T H S ... then go stand next to people shouting and screaming?

Unless some tin foil hat person can confirm that CV19 didn’t exist, then it makes no sense (to me) to stand in a crowd so soon after the event.

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by tangfastic » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:20 pm

I can’t see crowds flocking back straight away.

But, I suppose we’ll see when things are opened up more and if a new wave of the virus re-emerges.

Politics aside, after the lack of social distancing during the mass demonstrations - surely we’d see a significant spike in number of cases around now or in the next week or so? Wouldn’t that be an indicator of how dangerous crowds are?

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Post by nicscreamer » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:33 pm

If the flood of people to the shops shows anything, I would imagine the crowds will soon flock back to footy if they are allowed!

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Post by marko69 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:51 pm

Bit different at shops though. We don’t have some tw@t shouting “A TIN OF TUNA, A TIN OF FUCKIN TUNA!” near us less than a foot away...... for 90 minutes.

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Post by nicscreamer » Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:18 pm

You can't have been to Stevenage Roaring meg shopping area for a while then Marko :lol:

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by bluejacko » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:15 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:49 am
So what's the answer? We've gone with older experienced pro's, hasn't worked, we went with experienced loans, hasn't worked, we dabbled with youth, hasn't worked, we tried keane, Jewell, McCarthy, Hurst and Lambert, hasn't worked, without Evan's we have nobody else who appears to want the club, what's the answer ? For me it has to be youth going forward with a steely determination from the top not to sell them off at every opportunity, clearly a sale here and there is essential even more so now just to survive.
Nice sentiment Mike but is Lambert the man to do this? As been said he has had ample opportunities to play younger players and he hasn’t! Not going off on a we should have A or B as manager but I just can’t see him being the right man for the job now.

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Post by marko69 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:20 pm

nicscreamer wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:18 pm
You can't have been to Stevenage Roaring meg shopping area for a while then Marko :lol:
And its been struck off the bucket list, Nicscreamer! :lol:

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Re: ...and Lambo is going nowhere

Post by Bluemike » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:43 pm

bluejacko wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:15 pm
Bluemike wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:49 am
So what's the answer? We've gone with older experienced pro's, hasn't worked, we went with experienced loans, hasn't worked, we dabbled with youth, hasn't worked, we tried keane, Jewell, McCarthy, Hurst and Lambert, hasn't worked, without Evan's we have nobody else who appears to want the club, what's the answer ? For me it has to be youth going forward with a steely determination from the top not to sell them off at every opportunity, clearly a sale here and there is essential even more so now just to survive.
Nice sentiment Mike but is Lambert the man to do this? As been said he has had ample opportunities to play younger players and he hasn’t! Not going off on a we should have A or B as manager but I just can’t see him being the right man for the job now.
You know what Jacko, I genuinely believe if he cuts out the rotation stuff and sticks with a relatively settled side he is the man for the job, at this level he should be a top manager, he's done it before after all, I also think we need a little bit of luck where injuries are concerned and by some miracle hold on to Downes and Woolfy.

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