The Standard of Refereeing Debate post Sunderland

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Re: The Standard of Refereeing Debate post Sunderland

Post by marko69 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:03 pm

£600 a game?

£6.66 a minute........ but only £6.18 if the game gets to the 97th minute. Sack that. I’d be ending games bang on 90 minutes.

Start a riot over that £0.48 less a minute.

“REF, he was injured for easily 4 mins!”
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Re: The Standard of Refereeing Debate post Sunderland

Post by Charnwood » Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:11 pm

On top of the £600 per game match fee all Championship referees receive a basic yearly retainer of between £38,500 and £42,000 based on experience. Not a bad rate for a few hours work each week. Most should make £60k + pa + expense + a few Cup games thrown in.

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Post by hallamblue » Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:30 pm

I think it says a lot when you can even get up League One/Two officials match day fees. It’s like the EFL doesn’t exist below the Championship. Ain’t that the truth!

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Re: The Standard of Refereeing Debate post Sunderland

Post by Charnwood » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:49 am

hallamblue wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:30 pm
I think it says a lot when you can even get up League One/Two officials match day fees. It’s like the EFL doesn’t exist below the Championship. Ain’t that the truth!
Have you been on the pop Liz, I can’t even understand this sober 🥳

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Re: The Standard of Refereeing Debate post Sunderland

Post by tangfastic » Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:50 am

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Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:11 pm
On top of the £600 per game match fee all Championship referees receive a basic yearly retainer of between £38,500 and £42,000 based on experience. Not a bad rate for a few hours work each week. Most should make £60k + pa + expense + a few Cup games thrown in.
I missed that about the retainer. For Championship level, that’s a decent amount.

I suppose for young referees that’s an incentive to even consider to start refereeing - if they can get to that level. I can’t see much other incentives TBH. Unless they get a kick out of winding up Paul Lambert.

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Post by hallamblue » Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:43 am

Charnwood wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:49 am
hallamblue wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:30 pm
I think it says a lot when you can even get up League One/Two officials match day fees. It’s like the EFL doesn’t exist below the Championship. Ain’t that the truth!
Have you been on the pop Liz, I can’t even understand this sober 🥳
Ha ha ...you’re Always in the pop Andy :x :lol:

I meant you can’t find League one / two refs match day wage rates on the internet anywhere, eg I can’t get that info to come up when I’ve searched. Info doesn’t go below the Championship level. So lower EFL leagues don’t “exist”!

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Re: The Standard of Refereeing Debate post Sunderland

Post by Bluemike » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:13 am

Charnwood wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:11 pm
On top of the £600 per game match fee all Championship referees receive a basic yearly retainer of between £38,500 and £42,000 based on experience. Not a bad rate for a few hours work each week. Most should make £60k + pa + expense + a few Cup games thrown in.
Dispels the myth they aren't well paid then.

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Post by Charnwood » Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:51 pm

It will be interesting to see how the referee performed today given that the FA Cup 1st Round probably ranks lower than League 1 when it comes to the FA appointing officials.

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Post by hallamblue » Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:01 pm

THREE more atrocious decisions by the so called ref today . Answers your question Andy I think.

Are they just p*ss poor or is there something going on against ITFC in this division this season, because I have never in all my born days ever witnessed such bad ( no, totally inept decisions), and I cant explain it. The EFL really do need to look at this .

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Post by Charnwood » Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:24 pm

Having seen Leicester’s hand ball penalty award against Wolves today and to a lesser extent Man City’s against Liverpool both with the added advantage of VAR, it’s becoming blatantly obvious that it’s not solely referee incompetence, it has to be the definition of the hand ball rule.

When such stupid decisions are given and then proved to be within the rules there has to be something wrong with the rules.

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Post by hallamblue » Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:00 pm

The ref for Towns game said McGuinness got the last touch for the Pompey so called winning "goal". Problem is that player was FIVE YARDS away from the goal line. What an utter tool the ref is . he should be struck off the professional refs list for that c*ck up alone.

And once again I ask the question...where's the bloody linesman in all this ???

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Re: The Standard of Refereeing Debate post Sunderland

Post by Bluemike » Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:12 pm

But we got what we deserved apparently

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Post by Andym » Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:17 pm

Charnwood wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:24 pm
Having seen Leicester’s hand ball penalty award against Wolves today and to a lesser extent Man City’s against Liverpool both with the added advantage of VAR, it’s becoming blatantly obvious that it’s not solely referee incompetence, it has to be the definition of the hand ball rule.

When such stupid decisions are given and then proved to be within the rules there has to be something wrong with the rules.
That's the point I made earlier. The rules have changed because people wanted consistency. The only way to achieve that is to take any discretion or interpretation out of the equation. So we end up with the bloody daft rule that if if hits your arm its a penalty. Doesn't natter whether it's from 20 yards or 1. Doesn't matter how much you try to get out the way.
Same with offside. Although they clearly got it wrong yesterday, they've removed the "interfering with play" so you have to touch the ball to be offside. Years ago the lino's flag would have been up as soon as the ball went goalwards. In my opinion it was mucb more sendible then.

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Re: The Standard of Refereeing Debate post Sunderland

Post by marko69 » Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:36 pm

Andym wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:17 pm
Years ago the lino's flag would have been up as soon as the ball went goalwards. In my opinion it was much more sensible then.
Yep. Even if a player is scratching his arse on the opposite touchline....... if he’s offside, he’s offside. Not being sarcastic, (we must verify that these days) ..... but they were easier, better and definitely more sensible days, AndyM.

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Post by hallamblue » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:41 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:12 pm
But we got what we deserved apparently
Who has said that Mike?

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Re: The Standard of Refereeing Debate post Sunderland

Post by TODD66 » Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:49 pm

hallamblue wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:41 pm
Bluemike wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:12 pm
But we got what we deserved apparently
Who has said that Mike?
The naysayers

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Re: The Standard of Refereeing Debate post Sunderland

Post by Andym » Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:07 pm

marko69 wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:36 pm
Andym wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:17 pm
Years ago the lino's flag would have been up as soon as the ball went goalwards. In my opinion it was much more sensible then.
Yep. Even if a player is scratching his arse on the opposite touchline....... if he’s offside, he’s offside. Not being sarcastic, (we must verify that these days) ..... but they were easier, better and definitely more sensible days, AndyM.
I remember nearly 40 years ago a central defender I played with said to me "if I push up to.play someone offside, he is dictating my position on the pitch so he must be interfering with play whichever wing he's on."

An interesting debate.

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Re: The Standard of Refereeing Debate post Sunderland

Post by hallamblue » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:29 am

TODD66 wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:49 pm
hallamblue wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:41 pm
Bluemike wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:12 pm
But we got what we deserved apparently
Who has said that Mike?
The naysayers

And there’s Lots of them about lol

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