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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by valleyroad » Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:44 pm

Bluemike wrote:
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I think supporting Ipswich causes mental health issues not help them
Aye a point well made :D

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by valleyroad » Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:47 pm

barmy billy wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:30 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:49 pm
Bluemike wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:26 pm
I would just like to know how people cant travel across different level tiers to see loved ones but football clubs can do wtf they like, it really is a disgrace.
Football being on is helping mental health for many who are stuck in the house. Gives them something to look forward too.
Like contracting covid, you mean.
I get your point. I'd hate to be a government minister dealing with this. Virtually impossible situation.
Very difficult for football authorities with tv contracts and everything else to consider.
At the end of the day its a health issue and ultimately that should take precedence

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by hallamblue » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:02 pm

barmy billy wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:30 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:49 pm
Bluemike wrote:
Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:26 pm
I would just like to know how people cant travel across different level tiers to see loved ones but football clubs can do wtf they like, it really is a disgrace.
Football being on is helping mental health for many who are stuck in the house. Gives them something to look forward too.
Like contracting covid, you mean.
Ha ha ha ...you’ve got his measure BB that’s for sure.

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by Andym » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:24 pm

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Given the amount of money the Premier League spend on PCR tests, wouldn’t it make sense for them to source vaccine shots at just £3 a pop and get the club doctors to administer them. Surely they could also source a significant supply for their local community to make it a worthy project. Another possibility would be for each EPL team to supply vaccines for players at at least two clubs each in EFL leagues 1 & 2.

This suggestion assumes no shortage of vaccine supplies and roll out delays relating only to administration and resources.
I would hate to see anybody being able to jump the queue; until there is enough of the vaccine for worldwide distribution, this would only make others wait longer. The socialist in me coming out again.

As an aside, I wonder if the current priority list is the right one. As a retired 67-year-old, I can keep relatively safe (hopefully) - good job as the estimate for me getting both doses of the vaccine is between 20 May and 22 June - but maybe younger people having to go to work should be a higher priority? In other words, wouldn't we control the spread better by vaccinating those most likely to become infected rather than those of us more likely to be seriously ill or die? Just a thought

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by hallamblue » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:51 pm

Strange you should say this Andy, because I’ve been speaking to a few work colleagues about the priorities list and between us we feel the government have got it upside down .

If you vaccinate the front line NHS staff and younger / working population first. They’d be much less need to vaccinate the elderly ( who generally get out less anyway or are in Nursing homes , and don’t get out at all). So if u vaccinate those who travel about and work you are much more likely to help the country get back to work and aid the economy.

On the issue of professional footballers being given access to the vaccine , well I’m actually quite annoyed that the game is even being allowed to continue at present . I personally feel the EFL snd PL need to get their act together and call a halt to the season for now . The arrogance of the industry beggars belief . They live in their own little highly privileged bubble IMO . Why should they be treated any different to any other business or group right now ?

The vaccines administration will be now aimed at giving everyone a single dose initially because this is shown to be highly effective in reducing hospitalisation. Second doses at aimed at being 3 months later. I’d expect the whole of 2021 to be taken up by this vaccination programme. But there is the small matter of getting the whole works vaccinated in as close time span to all other countries as possible . Hell of a task isn’t it !

Stay safe until then eh 👍

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by tangfastic » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:53 pm

Andym wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:24 pm
Charnwood wrote:
Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:16 pm
Given the amount of money the Premier League spend on PCR tests, wouldn’t it make sense for them to source vaccine shots at just £3 a pop and get the club doctors to administer them. Surely they could also source a significant supply for their local community to make it a worthy project. Another possibility would be for each EPL team to supply vaccines for players at at least two clubs each in EFL leagues 1 & 2.

This suggestion assumes no shortage of vaccine supplies and roll out delays relating only to administration and resources.
I would hate to see anybody being able to jump the queue; until there is enough of the vaccine for worldwide distribution, this would only make others wait longer. The socialist in me coming out again.

As an aside, I wonder if the current priority list is the right one. As a retired 67-year-old, I can keep relatively safe (hopefully) - good job as the estimate for me getting both doses of the vaccine is between 20 May and 22 June - but maybe younger people having to go to work should be a higher priority? In other words, wouldn't we control the spread better by vaccinating those most likely to become infected rather than those of us more likely to be seriously ill or die? Just a thought
Good point about young people getting priority over vaccination. There more likely to spread it and society needs to get back to normality ASAP. But I can see an outcry if that was put forward.

I wouldn’t have a problem if footballers got some kind of priority. We wouldn’t have football if there wasn’t a lot of interest from the public and life is sh*t enough as it is. At least they provide entertainment to millions or, in our case, give us something to moan about. Pro footballers are only a very small select group of people compared to the rest of the general public. It’s a drop in the ocean. It doesn’t bother me that much if they get priority but that’s the selfish c*nt in me coming out.

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by hallamblue » Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:02 pm

:lol:

I see your point tang, but unfortunately can’t agree with it. The football industry isn’t just about the players though is it ? There’s then all the background staff at these clubs, ground / stadium staff, shop staff, ticketing staff, their families. Referees, linesmen etc etc The list goes on .

It’s a hell of time for us all that’s for sure !

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by tangfastic » Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:14 pm

hallamblue wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:02 pm
:lol:

I see your point tang, but unfortunately can’t agree with it. The football industry isn’t just about the players though is it ? There’s then all the background staff at these clubs, ground / stadium staff, shop staff, ticketing staff, their families. Referees, linesmen etc etc The list goes on .

It’s a hell of time for us all that’s for sure !
And they might not have jobs anymore if football games keep getting postponed. Most of these people aren’t even at the club anyway if you’re playing without fans. And the players are most at risk at catching or spreading the virus because they have to come into contact with each other. Most background staff can do their jobs relatively safely without coming into contact with each other.

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by hallamblue » Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:37 pm

So if you apply that to football , then rugby would have a valid shout for the same treatment wouldnt it. I personally just don’t think it’s justifiable unfortunately.

Don’t get me wrong . I’m a big fan of the game and like you I miss going and watching it. I haven’t actually see Town for over a year now ( foot op last December... just go my nose out the door snd LD was imposed). So trust me I’m well fed up with it all .

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by Andym » Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:58 pm

According to an online calculator, at the rate of 1 million vaccines per week, those in the 20-35 age range (i.e. virtually all players) will receive their second vaccine between January and June 2022. So I don’t see vaccination helping this session run its course. If they can double it to 2 million a week, next season might be ok. But I’m not holding my breath.

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by marko69 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:12 pm

Andym wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:58 pm
But I’m not holding my breath.
......, but if you get Covid symptoms, please try. At least until you get a mask on. 👍

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by valleyroad » Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:38 pm

hallamblue wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:02 pm
barmy billy wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:30 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:49 pm

Football being on is helping mental health for many who are stuck in the house. Gives them something to look forward too.
Like contracting covid, you mean.
Ha ha ha ...you’ve got his measure BB that’s for sure.
You really are hard work. I was pointing out a major reason as to why football is being allowed to take place at the moment. BB makes a point about the spread of COVID which I agree with and personally feel there is a very valid reason for a circuit breaker. So... its an incredibly difficult balancing act for government and football authorities.

As for your point in vaccinating the young have a read at this https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.c ... 20-09826-8
Might give you a clue

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by hallamblue » Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:25 pm

If you read my post I said a few of my work colleagues had a discussion and felt the priority approach was upside down “

This was an opinion derived from a discussion amongst friends.I just simply made a comment on here . But it does seem I’m jumped on by you and some others for saying anything either about CoVid or ITFC. Your response above is quite condescending I feel. Why is this please?

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by Andym » Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:00 pm

valleyroad wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:38 pm
hallamblue wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:02 pm
barmy billy wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:30 pm


Like contracting covid, you mean.
Ha ha ha ...you’ve got his measure BB that’s for sure.
You really are hard work. I was pointing out a major reason as to why football is being allowed to take place at the moment. BB makes a point about the spread of COVID which I agree with and personally feel there is a very valid reason for a circuit breaker. So... its an incredibly difficult balancing act for government and football authorities.

As for your point in vaccinating the young have a read at this https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.c ... 20-09826-8
Might give you a clue
I made a similar point about vaccinating those most at risk of catching (and therefore passing on) the disease rather than those most likely to die.
I have to say that at the moment I am the most worried I have been as the infection seems to be spreading faster than ever. My best chance as a 67 year old male is not to catch it. This is difficult as the virus spreads out of control, even in tier 4. If I have to wait til June for a vaccine, my best chance might be to have to wait still longer but stop the spread by vaccinating those most at risk of catching and reinfecting - this means people of working age, particularly those who cannot work from home.

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by Bluemike » Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:36 pm

It is spreading Andy but the positive thing is this new variant is a lot less severe, I can tell you people a LOT older than you are positive but walking round as opposed to being bed bound, while cases and figures are up don't let the scaremongering take over, not everything is as portrayed mate.

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Post by hallamblue » Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:11 pm

At the risk of once again being shot down in flames, From memory the virus really took off ( spread nationwide), around September time. This appeared to coincide with young people going off to universities, thereby travelling up and down the Country from their home area. I think the new hot spots coincided with the major cities ...all have universities ( Newcastle, Liverpool, Manchester Nottingham etc). I can remember clearly when I went off to Sheffield uni , after about a month the entire years intake all became ill. The tutors said that was because the students converge on a single place , mix and become exposed to germs their body’s are not immune too. We get I’ll. They called it Freshers flu. We built up that immunity over the subsequent months. But it’s not rocket science really is it.

So maybe the government got it wrong allowing many thousands of people to move about the country , on mass and congregate in a single place , a uni campus, and lectures halls , halls of residence etc. I’ll make no comment on freshers week, which will have happened at universities!

There’s now changes to the rules re schools and students returning to universities after the Christmas break. So perhaps they have learned something , I don’t know!

So my point, (which for some reason, valley road appears to have taken a particular hostile objection too,), about vaccinating the younger population first is based on the mobility of that section of the population.

The young , (were) assumed to be less at risk. That maybe the case, (although people in their 40’s are currently dying on ITUs), but what the younger population through their social mobility, are probably unwittingly doing, is spreading the virus. It’s not rocket science that the older section of the population, and those with chronic health problems would be "most at risk” of catching CoVid, but I would suggest also that this section of the population would generally will be less mobile about the country and have the ones, generally more likely to shield or self isolate.

So what do you do , vaccinate those at risk, or those that are likely to be spreading the virus, albeit unwittingly? The government have gone with the former. Im not actually arguing about it ...just offering an opinion that stemmed from a discussion I had.


Finally I just want to say 5his if I may. I’ve been posting on here for something like 16years now and for many years it’s been a joy. There used to be lots of banter and laughs and jokes. But it hasn’t felt like that for a long long time now.

It now seems you can’t voice opinion or view or even have simple discussions on this forum any longer, without someone becoming either offend or responding in such a hostile manner. ( which is not you Andy, I hasten to add). I’ve had enough of it tbh. This will be the last comment I make on this matter and over the evening I will be thinking about my future input to this forum going forward. I appear to wind some people up on here. It’s certainly not been objective but I feel the angst in their responses to me. I feel like I’m constantly treading on egg shells, in my attempts not to upset anyone. And clearly failing!

Maybe I’ve just become too sensitive personally, or perhaps there is now little tolerance on here now., and When you “ feel” under attack, it’s human nature to respond in kind, ( or with some , walk away). I’m not liking the feeling I get on here anymore, I don’t know. I’ve had time out from TB on a few occasions because of it. But I’m thinking to myself now, maybe I come to that point finally where I ask myself is it really worth it anymore? Maybe it’s simply time for me to bid you all a farewell ( and wish you all well because at the end of the day despite our different views , I think we all want the same for Town), and simply say goodbye TB’s, it’s time for me to make that final break.

And sincerely wish you “Happy New Year”, HallamBlue ( or Liz in a more normal life setting ) x

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Post by marko69 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:29 pm

Personally been here 11 years this year and I, and the vast majority of other long time posters know that you’ll be a monumental loss to this forum. You’ll be missed.
So sleep on that, dawwwwling! x

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Post by marko69 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:51 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:36 pm
It is spreading Andy but the positive thing is this new variant is a lot less severe, I can tell you people a LOT older than you are positive but walking round as opposed to being bed bound, while cases and figures are up don't let the scaremongering take over, not everything is as portrayed mate.
This ^^^ isn’t just any other post. Read it carefully.

People who predominantly worry about health or are even hypochondriac; read Mikes post. As he works with the NHS, the advice is gold.

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Post by Charnwood » Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:11 pm

marko69 wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:51 pm
Bluemike wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:36 pm
It is spreading Andy but the positive thing is this new variant is a lot less severe, I can tell you people a LOT older than you are positive but walking round as opposed to being bed bound, while cases and figures are up don't let the scaremongering take over, not everything is as portrayed mate.
This ^^^ isn’t just any other post. Read it carefully.

People who predominantly worry about health or are even hypochondriac; read Mikes post. As he works with the NHS, the advice is gold.

I just pray he’s right Marko because fast approaching 70 (3 days to go), asthmatic, dodged bowel cancer by the skin of my teeth, and close to being pre diabetic, I think that bloody Covid thing could just about finish me off.
Happy New Year to all, and hey Liz, keep posting cos we all luv ya. Well most of us. xxx

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Post by Andym » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:08 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:36 pm
It is spreading Andy but the positive thing is this new variant is a lot less severe, I can tell you people a LOT older than you are positive but walking round as opposed to being bed bound, while cases and figures are up don't let the scaremongering take over, not everything is as portrayed mate.
That is very interesting. I had hoped that would be the case. A successful virus will mutate to become better at spreading but equally at not killing its host - it can’t spread easily from a dead body and so is self defeating.
Thank you for this message, I do hope you are right. I think I’m in reasonable health for my age - I had prostate cancer for 4 years before having surgery nearly 2 years ago but that’s about it.

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Post by number 9 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:15 pm

Please keep posting Hallam for God sake! It’s already a sausage fest in here, and if you leave poor Lucy will be the only girl left! As a matter of fact, why don’t you recruit a few ladies to join the forum? We definitely need a bit of female ingenuity on here and the proverbial kick up the arse! If someone doesn’t like what I post, my simple response is f*ck’em!😎

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Post by marko69 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:31 pm

Pre-diabetic, Charnwood? Obviously type 2 as type 1 is either “it” or “not”.
Pre T2 is usually aimed at, shall we say, “slightly larger” people. Didn’t expect that with you being a golfer. Certainly don’t see many “portly” golfers up here.
Having said that, the wife’s ex Stepfather was a bit of a fat b*stard and a club pro? So 🤷‍♂️ Who knows.
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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by valleyroad » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:58 pm

Andym wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:00 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:38 pm
hallamblue wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:02 pm


Ha ha ha ...you’ve got his measure BB that’s for sure.
You really are hard work. I was pointing out a major reason as to why football is being allowed to take place at the moment. BB makes a point about the spread of COVID which I agree with and personally feel there is a very valid reason for a circuit breaker. So... its an incredibly difficult balancing act for government and football authorities.

As for your point in vaccinating the young have a read at this https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.c ... 20-09826-8
Might give you a clue
I made a similar point about vaccinating those most at risk of catching (and therefore passing on) the disease rather than those most likely to die.
I have to say that at the moment I am the most worried I have been as the infection seems to be spreading faster than ever. My best chance as a 67 year old male is not to catch it. This is difficult as the virus spreads out of control, even in tier 4. If I have to wait til June for a vaccine, my best chance might be to have to wait still longer but stop the spread by vaccinating those most at risk of catching and reinfecting - this means people of working age, particularly those who cannot work from home.
Yep i guess its again a fine balance. I come down on the side of saving lives. Most lives lost seems to be in over 60s. My preference is to save life. The complete failure of track trace and isolate should haunt this government.

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Re: 6 Town players and Lambert test +ve for CoVid

Post by valleyroad » Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:04 am

Bluemike wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:36 pm
It is spreading Andy but the positive thing is this new variant is a lot less severe, I can tell you people a LOT older than you are positive but walking round as opposed to being bed bound, while cases and figures are up don't let the scaremongering take over, not everything is as portrayed mate.
Not having a go but interested to see if you are qualified to make that statement ??
Personally i wouldn't risk covid for a second.

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Post by Bluemike » Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:40 am

Without being rude I'm not really interested in what you think, I don't subscribe to all the bollocks others read on FB and take as gospel.

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Post by Charnwood » Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:48 am

marko69 wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:31 pm
Pre-diabetic, Charnwood? Obviously type 2 as type 1 is either “it” or “not”.
Pre T2 is usually aimed at, shall we say, “slightly larger” people. Didn’t expect that with you being a golfer. Certainly don’t see many “portly” golfers up here.
Having said that, the wife’s ex Stepfather was a bit of a fat b*stard and a club pro? So 🤷‍♂️ Who knows.
Spanish cuisine & wine?
Slightly overweight Marko and currently on a zero Carb diet trying to sort out raised Blood Sugar level which reached 117 and in the pre diabetes range.
Yesterday was down to 89 which is best for a longtime and back to within the normal range but having to work at it.
At start of diet (mid November) weight was 185lbs now at 178lbs. Next check up mid Feb, hope to be back back to normal, eg weight & blood sugars. Hardly fat but waist now up to 36”, as you say, too much good living.

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