Re: Ipswich Town vs Plymouth Argyle Preview & Matchday Thread
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:15 pm
Been more said if loss I think
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You’d think it was a pigeon carrying a parrot at the lateness of finding out the results.Steve and Jo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:20 pmWas it a Pigeon or a Parrot ?
Spot on ,couldn't of put it better myself. Pleased with the win but if we continue playing like that,we are not going anywhere this season.Andym wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:27 pmAccepting mediocrity just because we won was the start of McCarthy's downfall. Of course I'm glad we won but really was unimpressed. Our early dominance was down to some of the worst opposition play I've seen for years, they did nothing but pass the ball to us or out of play. I'm not expecting miracles. Our keeper was rooted to the goal line, the left half of defence was poor, the midfield struggled once Downes went off, the front players showed a complete inability to score, and the only effect of the substitutions was to replace like with inferior like or make us play even deeper and more defensively. That leaves very few players who played well. Like I say, pleased we got three points but it was not entertaining. I know, it's a results-based business, it's put us back in the playoff positions, but it wasn't a performance that would suggest we could win a play-off match.
Hopefully given time things will improve.
I have to agree with you on that one Marko! I don't post much, but do read the comments.
Well they can always go onto that other site and take on the mafia there
Totally Agree Hallambluehallamblue wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:03 pmI’m just taking each game as it comes from now until the end of the season. Paul Cook is having to work with a large and largely dysfunctional squad, that has until PC’s appointment been poorly coached IMO. A new manager can’t just undo all of that in a couple of games. He will frankly take the remainder of this season , just to start to get know the players names...there’s over 40 players in this squad, utterly ridiculous!
If PC get us into the playoffs at the end of the season on the back of “a 16 game PC season”, Id be ecstatic, because until he walked through that door we were dead and buried for yet another season. So atm we have a glimmer of hope. I don’t care HOW we get there. Now is (IMHO), not the time to be worrying about the aesthetics of how we play....thats for PC and his coaches over the summer pre season and any new players he brings in to sort out. And he will. ATM it ONLY about 3 points per game, and getting over that PO line.
So are we all with him and the team for these last 13 league games, or not guys?
Let’s make it happen. COYBs
Good post Hallam, but that particular part isn't accurate. When he walked through the door, Ipswich were unbeaten in 5 games, 11 points from 15......., forget the play-offs ----->> that's promotion form.hallamblue wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:03 pm.....because until he walked through that door we were dead and buried for yet another season.....
Problem is marko, we’d had these false dawns under PL last season, I’d out very much we’d have maintained it. And whose to say this upturn in form for a few games didn’t coincide with the breaking news/ rumours of take over talks and Cooks name being mentioned. The players don’t appear to be sorry that PL has gone. The upturn in form was a complete turnaround, as was Lamberts demeanour ( I’d commented on this at the time).....all seems very odd to me .marko69 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:34 pmGood post Hallam, but that particular part isn't accurate. When he walked through the door, Ipswich were unbeaten in 5 games, 11 points from 15......., forget the play-offs ----->> that's promotion form.hallamblue wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:03 pm.....because until he walked through that door we were dead and buried for yet another season.....
I suppose that just kinda supports my recent post that it’s about the points now , rather than how a team plays.Andym wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:11 pmVery confused by some of the above comments. It sounds as if some here don’t want dissenters from their opinion
I’ve always been honest about my views. I want to watch a team trying to play well. Off I think we have played well I’ll say so. If I think we were poor, I’ll say so.
I watched two matches today. I watched Luton lose 1-0 to Swansea. Swansea went 1 up after 3 minutes. Luton took them apart for much of the rest of the game but lacked a cutting edge. They probably deserved to lose because of that but it was (apart from the result) great to watch. But just because Luton landed a cutting edge it didn’t mean Swansea deserved to win. They were poor. According to the commentaries they have crept into the top 3 after getting points from a series of poor performances.
I think the parallels with Ipswich are quite striking. I won’t say any more. But if you want a forum of happy clappers with no dissenting voices, I’ll leave you to it.
Nothing to do with happy clappers! But to say we will get nowhere with performances like today doesn’t ring true does it?Andym wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:11 pmVery confused by some of the above comments. It sounds as if some here don’t want dissenters from their opinion
I’ve always been honest about my views. I want to watch a team trying to play well. Off I think we have played well I’ll say so. If I think we were poor, I’ll say so.
I watched two matches today. I watched Luton lose 1-0 to Swansea. Swansea went 1 up after 3 minutes. Luton took them apart for much of the rest of the game but lacked a cutting edge. They probably deserved to lose because of that but it was (apart from the result) great to watch. But just because Luton landed a cutting edge it didn’t mean Swansea deserved to win. They were poor. According to the commentaries they have crept into the top 3 after getting points from a series of poor performances.
I think the parallels with Ipswich are quite striking. I won’t say any more. But if you want a forum of happy clappers with no dissenting voices, I’ll leave you to it.
Yep, very true.hallamblue wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:19 pmProblem is marko, we’d had these false dawns under PL last season, I’d out very much we’d have maintained it. And whose to say this upturn in form for a few games didn’t coincide with the breaking news/ rumours of take over talks and Cooks name being mentioned.marko69 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:34 pmGood post Hallam, but that particular part isn't accurate. When he walked through the door, Ipswich were unbeaten in 5 games, 11 points from 15......., forget the play-offs ----->> that's promotion form.hallamblue wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:03 pm.....because until he walked through that door we were dead and buried for yet another season.....
Not sure what players would cope in Championship as it depends much on how they are set up and motivated but for me, the opportunity to find out would be a great problem to have! Add to this the small question of any takeover and potentially new funds (a long shot and wishful thinking at present, I know) and you never know. Lets get this season done and next season will start to shape up COYB's!!JohnnyB wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:15 amI think there’s a real chance of promotion. Teams who hit the play offs at this stage of the season often seem to do better than those who’ve hung about in the zone all year, and PC seems capable of organising the players well and building espirit de corps. It might not be pretty but results can be ground out.
But, new owner or not, how many of the current squad have the quality to succeed in the championship?
Downes yes, maybe Dozzell, possibly Bish and perhaps some of the younger players coming through. Anyone else?
Bang on, sadly it seems playing fantastic football but losing is more acceptable, 3 bloody games Cook has been here, who gives a toss that we didn't get 90 mins all our own way ? Some say Norwood is crucial to us, well he was missing, we then lost the linchpin of our Midfield, we had Jackson playing his first game after returning from the salt mines of Siberia, and no time on the training ground to change much at all.hallamblue wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:03 pmI’m just taking each game as it comes from now until the end of the season. Paul Cook is having to work with a large and largely dysfunctional squad, that has until PC’s appointment been poorly coached IMO. A new manager can’t just undo all of that in a couple of games. He will frankly take the remainder of this season , just to start to get know the players names...there’s over 40 players in this squad, utterly ridiculous!
If PC get us into the playoffs at the end of the season on the back of “a 16 game PC season”, Id be ecstatic, because until he walked through that door we were dead and buried for yet another season. So atm we have a glimmer of hope. I don’t care HOW we get there. Now is (IMHO), not the time to be worrying about the aesthetics of how we play....thats for PC and his coaches over the summer pre season and any new players he brings in to sort out. And he will. ATM it ONLY about 3 points per game, and getting over that PO line.
So are we all with him and the team for these last 13 league games, or not guys?
Let’s make it happen. COYBs
Which bit? The question if I am actually a Town which is insulting or the fact I said we got 3pts let's move on? There is history on this site of individuals having a go about people being a Town fan or not. I noticed Valley Road seems to get it and now me. Sad really, probably why it only gets 10 regular posters.
Spot on Liz - we all know the problems that PC has inherited, namely a huge squad devoid of quality.hallamblue wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:03 pmI’m just taking each game as it comes from now until the end of the season. Paul Cook is having to work with a large and largely dysfunctional squad, that has until PC’s appointment been poorly coached IMO. A new manager can’t just undo all of that in a couple of games. He will frankly take the remainder of this season , just to start to get know the players names...there’s over 40 players in this squad, utterly ridiculous!
If PC get us into the playoffs at the end of the season on the back of “a 16 game PC season”, Id be ecstatic, because until he walked through that door we were dead and buried for yet another season. So atm we have a glimmer of hope. I don’t care HOW we get there. Now is (IMHO), not the time to be worrying about the aesthetics of how we play....thats for PC and his coaches over the summer pre season and any new players he brings in to sort out. And he will. ATM it ONLY about 3 points per game, and getting over that PO line.
So are we all with him and the team for these last 13 league games, or not guys?
Let’s make it happen. COYBs
Exactly, there should never be just One point of view allowed, never have or would say that but I think it is lost at times as to how long Cook has been here, we are gong through change and yes we all know we aren't very good right now, there are a lot of things to improve upon but it would be nice to just enjoy a win for a little while at least. For me Hallam was bang on, these next 14 games should juts be about winning them, it doesn't matter how, lets just all get behind Cook, take One game at a time and see where it goes. Next season we can talk about formations, style of play, squad depth and all that because Cook's influence will warrant it along with any praise or criticism that comes his way, for what it's worth I thought his post match interview was superb, honest and accurate.tangfastic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:42 amIsn’t there a bit of an over-reaction about how everyone feels about the game. Why should there be just one point of view allowed?
Very happy with the 3 points, but it’s a talking point about how we can’t impose ourselves more often in a game. If the first 20 minutes is hopefully Cook’s influence, then that’s encouraging - lot more energy and high pressIng. We can’t do that for ninety minutes, but, even so, we have got to get more on the front foot at times and not play so deep. We can’t rely on backs to wall defending all the time. I think Toto and Wilson have probably had the biggest influence over the recent improved results. They got dragged around yesterday, but they headed, cleared and put the tackles in, with Kenlock assisting well. But if they’re our best players, then that says something about the rest. Even though Dozzell and Bishop might be our most talented players - not sure they’ve ever controlled the midfield before in a game of football. Bursts of magic here and there- but luxury players and too lightweight if they’re playing together. Downes will be a big miss if he’s out for long. For all the midfielders we’ve got- Downes is the only one with bite who can drive us forward. I would hope Cook will be looking at getting another midfielder during the summer like Downes.
I’m pleased for cook that he got this win. I think he’s a great appointment, but he’s likely to have a real influence over time, especially when he can bring his own players in. This takes the pressure off him a bit and keeps us in the hunt. Not sure where we’ll get the goals from, but the back four are just about holding up.
Spot on Gary, Gary that is an interesting point you make about Jackson cus I was about to post how I thought he did ok alone up front and for me we created more yesterday with him in that position, you disagree ? he had a great chance early doors, also was involved when Parrott had a good chance and ran the channel well to set up Judge who flunked a great chance, I thought that was the best he's ever led the line lol.rossi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:50 amSpot on Liz - we all know the problems that PC has inherited, namely a huge squad devoid of quality.hallamblue wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:03 pmI’m just taking each game as it comes from now until the end of the season. Paul Cook is having to work with a large and largely dysfunctional squad, that has until PC’s appointment been poorly coached IMO. A new manager can’t just undo all of that in a couple of games. He will frankly take the remainder of this season , just to start to get know the players names...there’s over 40 players in this squad, utterly ridiculous!
If PC get us into the playoffs at the end of the season on the back of “a 16 game PC season”, Id be ecstatic, because until he walked through that door we were dead and buried for yet another season. So atm we have a glimmer of hope. I don’t care HOW we get there. Now is (IMHO), not the time to be worrying about the aesthetics of how we play....thats for PC and his coaches over the summer pre season and any new players he brings in to sort out. And he will. ATM it ONLY about 3 points per game, and getting over that PO line.
So are we all with him and the team for these last 13 league games, or not guys?
Let’s make it happen. COYBs
For me, it's enough that we managed to get 3 points at home yesterday. Sure we ought to have wrapped it up before half time, and would have done so but for some woeful finishing, but I thought we made hard work of it second half and a better team than Plymouth would have scored at least one. But 3 ;points is 3 points.
Things are certainly looking a bit better than they were 4 weeks ago, so onwards and upwards.
We have at least a good chance of making the play-offs but a lot will depend on whether or not we can start scoring more goals. That's a worry, because to me Jackson once again looked crap yesterday, Norwood needs 10 chances to convert 1, Drinan and Hawkins not exactly prolific in front of goal, so I'm still wondering where the goals are going to come from