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Re: Cardiff City

Post by Tangfastic » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:02 am

Not saying that Valley’s or GNB’s opinions aren’t valid, but it’s not the complete story..

One thing that always annoys me is how our entire fanbase gets tarred with the same brush because of a small minority that go over the top. The thousands who quietly decided not to go to games because the football was terrible can’t be accused of hounding Mick out. They weren’t even there to do any hounding. But, I’m sure, they were ones who’s first intentions were to give Mick as much verbal abuse as they could. That’s not our entire fan-base, but we all got labelled as fans who hounded him out.
And Mick wasn’t blameless as he got niggly with all the fans which caused a siege mentality and greater rift between the squad and the fans. His time was up and he knew it. It was Marcus Evans who didn’t see this and was content to just tread water and slowly go backwards as fans disappeared from the terraces, but Mick still got paid handsomely to do a steady job to keep us afloat on a shoestring budget. I know he was working on a shoestring budget, because Mick told us on every occasion possible. That fact didn’t make the football better and his kind of football only works if you’re getting the results. It’s not a long-term strategy and if Mick had left the club after 3 years he’d be warmly looked upon now.

Mick is a savvy bloke who exited our club smelling of roses with his CV intact, but I see him as someone who can only do a job short-term as a fire-fighter. There will always be the bad runs and then you’re left only with dull, joyless football with no ambition. 9 months in a job with a hefty pay-off - not the worst scenario for a man of his age. Cardiff’s worst run in their history and I’m amazed he couldn’t sneak a couple of 0-0 draws in there or a scratchy 1-0 win. Think he’s coming to end of his career and probably best suited as a pundit.

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by Dubai Blue » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:38 am

Agree with most of that and I was always fully supportive of MM almost right up to the end. However he should have had the maturity and experience to avoid getting into a slanging match with the supporters. Mind you, I personally see this as a reflection of much more underlying frustration with what he was being asked to do. Maybe if we knew the truth about his discussions with ME we might now have greater respect for MM for not spilling all this out. Only speculation but who knows? He always seemed to have a very tough skin but at one point went a little 'snowflake' on us.

Maybe he is the victim of his own success in that he is a good firefighter who can rally a team around to bring enough success and maybe even overachieve as he did with us for a while. But maybe then owners have the habit to overestimate how much they can reduce funding and the habit to renege on investment promises because he is doing actually better than they expected with limited resources.

I think he has some time left in him but he needs to find a gig where he gets to invest some decent money and his reputation as a firefighter is beginning perhaps to result in him being overlooked for opportunities with investment (like ours).

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by bluejacko » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:45 am

valleyroad wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:49 pm
bluejacko wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:55 am
Funny how its virtually the same outcome at every club he has been at!
Still he can always go back to Barnsley, I hear they are short of dinosaurs in the town’s museum.
Your the dinosaur ?
Touched a nerve have we?

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by Bluemike » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:32 am

bluejacko wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:45 am
valleyroad wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:49 pm
bluejacko wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:55 am
Funny how its virtually the same outcome at every club he has been at!
Still he can always go back to Barnsley, I hear they are short of dinosaurs in the town’s museum.
Your the dinosaur ?
Touched a nerve have we?
Jacko, you do realise VR is MM don't you ?

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by valleyroad » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:54 am

Bluemike wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:32 am
bluejacko wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:45 am
valleyroad wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:49 pm

Your the dinosaur ?
Touched a nerve have we?
Jacko, you do realise VR is MM don't you ?
Hey Mike, you are better than that?
I get the boring football bit and the breakdown with fans, depending on your viewpoint you can find reasons for that or not.
What i hate is the utter trashing of a man who most people in football have the utmost respect for ?

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by goldandblack » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:01 pm

tangfastic wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:02 am
Not saying that Valley’s or GNB’s opinions aren’t valid, but it’s not the complete story..

One thing that always annoys me is how our entire fanbase gets tarred with the same brush because of a small minority that go over the top. The thousands who quietly decided not to go to games because the football was terrible can’t be accused of hounding Mick out. They weren’t even there to do any hounding. But, I’m sure, they were ones who’s first intentions were to give Mick as much verbal abuse as they could. That’s not our entire fan-base, but we all got labelled as fans who hounded him out.
And Mick wasn’t blameless as he got niggly with all the fans which caused a siege mentality and greater rift between the squad and the fans. His time was up and he knew it. It was Marcus Evans who didn’t see this and was content to just tread water and slowly go backwards as fans disappeared from the terraces, but Mick still got paid handsomely to do a steady job to keep us afloat on a shoestring budget. I know he was working on a shoestring budget, because Mick told us on every occasion possible. That fact didn’t make the football better and his kind of football only works if you’re getting the results. It’s not a long-term strategy and if Mick had left the club after 3 years he’d be warmly looked upon now.

Mick is a savvy bloke who exited our club smelling of roses with his CV intact, but I see him as someone who can only do a job short-term as a fire-fighter. There will always be the bad runs and then you’re left only with dull, joyless football with no ambition. 9 months in a job with a hefty pay-off - not the worst scenario for a man of his age. Cardiff’s worst run in their history and I’m amazed he couldn’t sneak a couple of 0-0 draws in there or a scratchy 1-0 win. Think he’s coming to end of his career and probably best suited as a pundit.
Some interesting views on this topic, and well thought out without the old school turning it into a slagging match, as Marco says,” Criticism certainly should come to well-paid bosses not performing up to scratch, even underpaid bosses” but within reason,

You’re not wrong Tang, it’s not the majority of fans who go over the top, (excluding Newcastle, Liverpool, and Villa fans)
We actually had fans having a go at our Nuno last season, which I believe the owners took notice of,
Even after he hadn’t seen his family for months (covid) our squad reduced to just 16 fit players, we still finished 13th, i think these fan? are an insult wearing the Gold n Black.
If I didn’t believe in a manager, there’s no way I would have stopped going as I look on it as a manager is only temporary, we will still be here after they have long gone, its easy supporting your club when things are good, but the club needs that support when things are in decline, Ipswich are one of the clubs who have kept their great attendances throughout this. And will return because of this fact,

This is just my opinion tho and respect others, except Mike's of course :wink: ) although its mine that's always right :D

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by Bluemike » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:04 pm

valleyroad wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:54 am
Bluemike wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:32 am
bluejacko wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:45 am


Touched a nerve have we?
Jacko, you do realise VR is MM don't you ?
Hey Mike, you are better than that?
I get the boring football bit and the breakdown with fans, depending on your viewpoint you can find reasons for that or not.
What i hate is the utter trashing of a man who most people in football have the utmost respect for ?
I think you will find I stayed in support of MM much longer than virtually everyone else, until it was blatantly obvious that he had to go, I had fall outs with fellow fans, confrontations on social media and arguments at away games, all in support of Mick. I was at the game the day he had to be escorted to the team coach due to Town morons threatening him in a way that was way over the top, so I think it is fair to say my respect of MM went way further than nearly everyone else's.

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by goldandblack » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:48 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:04 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:54 am
Bluemike wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:32 am


Jacko, you do realise VR is MM don't you ?
Hey Mike, you are better than that?
I get the boring football bit and the breakdown with fans, depending on your viewpoint you can find reasons for that or not.
What i hate is the utter trashing of a man who most people in football have the utmost respect for ?
I think you will find I stayed in support of MM much longer than virtually everyone else, until it was blatantly obvious that he had to go, I had fall outs with fellow fans, confrontations on social media and arguments at away games, all in support of Mick. I was at the game the day he had to be escorted to the team coach due to Town morons threatening him in a way that was way over the top, so I think it is fair to say my respect of MM went way further than nearly everyone else's.
must agree you got a load of crap for sticking by MM , luckily those posters have long gone, or grown up,
I can understand the hostile reation to me but not a fellow fan, how you feeling now Mike. (Covid)

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by bluejacko » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:19 pm

This has been done to death hasn’t it,
I lost all respect for him in his last press conference when he had already said he was going but then played up to his mates in the media and they swallowed it hook line and sinker about him going there and then! I must admit to not having a lot left but that really was it with him.

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by goldandblack » Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:35 pm

bluejacko wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:19 pm
This has been done to death hasn’t it,
I lost all respect for him in his last press conference when he had already said he was going but then played up to his mates in the media and they swallowed it hook line and sinker about him going there and then! I must admit to not having a lot left but that really was it with him.
But Its good to talk. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by marko69 » Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:22 pm

goldandblack wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:35 pm
bluejacko wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:19 pm
This has been done to death hasn’t it,
I lost all respect for him in his last press conference when he had already said he was going but then played up to his mates in the media and they swallowed it hook line and sinker about him going there and then! I must admit to not having a lot left but that really was it with him.
But Its good to talk. :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: It is, yes.

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by goldandblack » Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:37 pm

marko69 wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:22 pm
goldandblack wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:35 pm
bluejacko wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:19 pm
This has been done to death hasn’t it,
I lost all respect for him in his last press conference when he had already said he was going but then played up to his mates in the media and they swallowed it hook line and sinker about him going there and then! I must admit to not having a lot left but that really was it with him.
But Its good to talk. :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: It is, yes.
Nothing personal to blue jacko, but i find it really funny to make a statement like "This has been done to death hasn’t it," then carry on the with that thread by making that statement. :wink:

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by AzzurroMark » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:33 pm

Have not really had a chance to offer my views on MM. I was however also one of those few fans who stuck by him to the very near end. Admittedly i never shouted from the rooftops about it and yes i was one of those who stayed away from PR due to how highly toxic the atmosphere had become. I have always said that for me, catching up with a mate by going on the train, having a meal and a couple of pints is just as an important part of the match day experience as the game itself. When there is such hatred and bile making the atmosphere feel intimidating, that is where i draw the line
Will always be grateful for what MM achieved on a minimal budget, and while i was always a believer in Marcus Evans too, i have to say the latter was very much the blameworthy party in our clubs downfall (yes even if we only had a club because of him).
Mick purchased some decent talent for peanuts (Mings, Webster, Waghorn and Garner to name a few), along with securing some talented loan players. Of course there will always be flops. I believe that MM was shopping in Fortnum & Mason on a Netto budget and had he been fully backed following our play-off semifinal season could well have sneaked us into the top flight the following season. Very sadly from there, it started to go downhill! The football was certainly very dull at times, but i like to think that perhaps it was because we had a team which was already punching way above its weight, and by ducking and weaving the heavy punches coming our way, it kept a poor boxer from hitting the canvas a few rounds earlier. Obviously the end result was always going to be the same, sadly!
While I believe it was more of a majority who wanted him out, it was a minority element of "numbskulls" within that support who brought shame on this club and had MM marking their cards by calling them exacty what they are. The reported shameful behaviour after Brentford away was disgusting! Personally when Mick volleyed those comments towards our support after we had scored at Carrow Road, i found myself saying good for you Mick! Of course it was wrong of him to do it, but i understand what was possibly a spur of the moment surfacing of his frustrations.
Would he have been better being less stubborn? Of course he would. Would he have garnered more respect had he have quit, citing lack of funding, rather than carrying on taking a decent salary? Most certainly. On the otherhand had he received funding anywhere near that of Roy Keane, would he have made better than RK's failed attempts to reach the top flight, yes i feel sure he would!

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by marko69 » Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:12 pm

AzzurroMark wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:33 pm
Have not really had a chance to offer my views on MM. I was however also one of those few fans who stuck by him to the very near end. Admittedly i never shouted from the rooftops about it and yes i was one of those who stayed away from PR due to how highly toxic the atmosphere had become. I have always said that for me, catching up with a mate by going on the train, having a meal and a couple of pints is just as an important part of the match day experience as the game itself. When there is such hatred and bile making the atmosphere feel intimidating, that is where i draw the line
Will always be grateful for what MM achieved on a minimal budget, and while i was always a believer in Marcus Evans too, i have to say the latter was very much the blameworthy party in our clubs downfall (yes even if we only had a club because of him).
Mick purchased some decent talent for peanuts (Mings, Webster, Waghorn and Garner to name a few), along with securing some talented loan players. Of course there will always be flops. I believe that MM was shopping in Fortnum & Mason on a Netto budget and had he been fully backed following our play-off semifinal season could well have sneaked us into the top flight the following season. Very sadly from there, it started to go downhill! The football was certainly very dull at times, but i like to think that perhaps it was because we had a team which was already punching way above its weight, and by ducking and weaving the heavy punches coming our way, it kept a poor boxer from hitting the canvas a few rounds earlier. Obviously the end result was always going to be the same, sadly!
While I believe it was more of a majority who wanted him out, it was a minority element of "numbskulls" within that support who brought shame on this club and had MM marking their cards by calling them exacty what they are. The reported shameful behaviour after Brentford away was disgusting! Personally when Mick volleyed those comments towards our support after we had scored at Carrow Road, i found myself saying good for you Mick! Of course it was wrong of him to do it, but i understand what was possibly a spur of the moment surfacing of his frustrations.
Would he have been better being less stubborn? Of course he would. Would he have garnered more respect had he have quit, citing lack of funding, rather than carrying on taking a decent salary? Most certainly. On the otherhand had he received funding anywhere near that of Roy Keane, would he have made better than RK's failed attempts to reach the top flight, yes i feel sure he would!

On board with everything you said there, Azzurro. I know I am a fan from afar....., but Hibernian have had managers in the past who have had dealings with fans ......, and numbskull fans at that. There are plenty!! Probably worse that Ipswich Town. :lol:

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by bluejacko » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:16 pm

goldandblack wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:37 pm
marko69 wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:22 pm
goldandblack wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:35 pm


But Its good to talk. :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: It is, yes.
Nothing personal to blue jacko, but i find it really funny to make a statement like "This has been done to death hasn’t it," then carry on the with that thread by making that statement. :wink:
Not to worry I’m not a sensitive soul👍

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by goldandblack » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:28 pm

bluejacko wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:16 pm
goldandblack wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:37 pm
marko69 wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:22 pm


:lol: It is, yes.
Nothing personal to blue jacko, but i find it really funny to make a statement like "This has been done to death hasn’t it," then carry on the with that thread by making that statement. :wink:
Not to worry I’m not a sensitive soul👍
I knew you'd take it as a bit of banter or i wouldn't have posted it, LOL

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by Blue Wilf » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:11 pm

Mick Who? COYB's!!!!!

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by marko69 » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:53 am

The classic “forget the past” post. 👍👌 Which is great…… all for positive, “to the future” thinking.

Unfortunately, any time something like this crops up, (sacked by another club, OR success with another club) he will generate “something” among ITFC fans. After all, he’s the only guy who’s been close for a lot of years.

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by Ricco » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:37 pm

I still maintain that McCarthy caused the club more harm than Keane, Jewell and Hurst combined.

I think a manager's job is to do best for the club, but McCarthy saw the manager's job as doing best for the Owner. He did well at that, I won't argue that he was a terrible manager, but he was absolutely truly horrific for the club.

Everything got steadily weaker while he was at the helm, largely out of sight, while his bank balance steadilly rose. While that was ultimately the owners fault, McCarthy stood idly by and let the club rot to the core, if he wasn't being paid he would have left after a week, if he had cared about the club he would have been falling out with Evans and screaming from the roof tops for funding, but he would rather keep his nice little pay check and the rest is history.

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by marko69 » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:51 pm

Ricco wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:37 pm
Everything got steadily weaker while he was at the helm, largely out of sight, while his bank balance steadilly rose. While that was ultimately the owners fault, McCarthy stood idly by and let the club rot to the core, if he wasn't being paid he would have left after a week, if he had cared about the club he would have been falling out with Evans and screaming from the roof tops for funding, but he would rather keep his nice little pay check and the rest is history.
You've basically described 99.9% of everybody who could've been Ipswich Town boss.
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if he had cared about the club he would have been falling out with Evans and screaming from the roof tops for funding.
You'd need a George Burley type for this. Someone who has a history, someone who gives half a sh*t. NOT SAYING you're wrong......, not at all: if that is your opinion on Mick McCarthy, so be it, but most wouldn't be screaming.

My opinion......., If the OWNER hasn't got ambition, then the manager is farting against thunder.

Roy killed Mevans' "ambition. Roy Keane f**ked Ipswich Town over big time. Everyone else was treading water after that.

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by goldandblack » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:58 pm

Ricco wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:37 pm
I still maintain that McCarthy caused the club more harm than Keane, Jewell and Hurst combined.

I think a manager's job is to do best for the club, but McCarthy saw the manager's job as doing best for the Owner. He did well at that, I won't argue that he was a terrible manager, but he was absolutely truly horrific for the club.

Everything got steadily weaker while he was at the helm, largely out of sight, while his bank balance steadilly rose. While that was ultimately the owners fault, McCarthy stood idly by and let the club rot to the core, if he wasn't being paid he would have left after a week, if he had cared about the club he would have been falling out with Evans and screaming from the roof tops for funding, but he would rather keep his nice little pay check and the rest is history.
I think any loyalty between managers and clubs went out of the window yonks ago Ricco, Mick learnt this so many times over the years, so why would he worry about any club, after the crap him and many managers have put up with,

the actual facts are that Evans asked him to do a job (for him and the club)and he did it, and got paid for it, seems to work for us doing our jobs aye, I can’t see a problem with that,

Perhaps if Evans had giving him 100 million + to buy players and failed then that’s the time to be a critical of the man

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by Tangfastic » Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:19 pm

goldandblack wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:58 pm
Ricco wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:37 pm
I still maintain that McCarthy caused the club more harm than Keane, Jewell and Hurst combined.

I think a manager's job is to do best for the club, but McCarthy saw the manager's job as doing best for the Owner. He did well at that, I won't argue that he was a terrible manager, but he was absolutely truly horrific for the club.

Everything got steadily weaker while he was at the helm, largely out of sight, while his bank balance steadilly rose. While that was ultimately the owners fault, McCarthy stood idly by and let the club rot to the core, if he wasn't being paid he would have left after a week, if he had cared about the club he would have been falling out with Evans and screaming from the roof tops for funding, but he would rather keep his nice little pay check and the rest is history.
I think any loyalty between managers and clubs went out of the window yonks ago Ricco, Mick learnt this so many times over the years, so why would he worry about any club,

the actual are that Evans asked him to do a job and he did it, and got paid for it, seems to work for us doing our jobs, I can’t see a problem with that,

Perhaps if Evans had giving him 100 million + to buy players and failed then that’s the time to be a critical of the man
This isn’t about if Mick wasn’t a good manager, but if he’s someone who couldn’t worry about any club - why should he be held in such high esteem? He’s just hauling his franchise from club to club. And you miss out the fans - the fans are a massive part of it. If the fans are just being told “ I’ve got no money, I can’t do any more, if you don’t don’t like the football … then Foxtrot Oscar”. Mick still got paid. Why does he need to care just like you say, but thousands were leaving. He didn’t care about that. He can leave and continue his career, but we have to live with what follows after.
But from the outside football world, the owner wasn’t giving him enough money and the fans were hounding him out. Not the entire picture. He was a good manager for the first three years but he never built anything - just left a vacuum. Yes, Evans gets the blame, but Mick was happy to take the cash. Fair enough, but he shouldn’t be given so much credit. Gut feeling in that he never had any affection for this club - or it’s history and future- and felt he was too good for us.

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by marko69 » Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:24 pm

So he should've walked then? That what you're saying?

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by goldandblack » Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:43 pm

tangfastic wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:19 pm
goldandblack wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:58 pm
Ricco wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:37 pm
I still maintain that McCarthy caused the club more harm than Keane, Jewell and Hurst combined.

I think a manager's job is to do best for the club, but McCarthy saw the manager's job as doing best for the Owner. He did well at that, I won't argue that he was a terrible manager, but he was absolutely truly horrific for the club.

Everything got steadily weaker while he was at the helm, largely out of sight, while his bank balance steadilly rose. While that was ultimately the owners fault, McCarthy stood idly by and let the club rot to the core, if he wasn't being paid he would have left after a week, if he had cared about the club he would have been falling out with Evans and screaming from the roof tops for funding, but he would rather keep his nice little pay check and the rest is history.
I think any loyalty between managers and clubs went out of the window yonks ago Ricco, Mick learnt this so many times over the years, so why would he worry about any club,

the actual are that Evans asked him to do a job and he did it, and got paid for it, seems to work for us doing our jobs, I can’t see a problem with that,

Perhaps if Evans had giving him 100 million + to buy players and failed then that’s the time to be a critical of the man
This isn’t about if Mick wasn’t a good manager, but if he’s someone who couldn’t worry about any club - why should he be held in such high esteem? He’s just hauling his franchise from club to club. And you miss out the fans - the fans are a massive part of it. If the fans are just being told “ I’ve got no money, I can’t do any more, if you don’t don’t like the football … then Foxtrot Oscar”. Mick still got paid. Why does he need to care just like you say, but thousands were leaving. He didn’t care about that. He can leave and continue his career, but we have to live with what follows after.
But from the outside football world, the owner wasn’t giving him enough money and the fans were hounding him out. Not the entire picture. He was a good manager for the first three years but he never built anything - just left a vacuum. Yes, Evans gets the blame, but Mick was happy to take the cash. Fair enough, but he shouldn’t be given so much credit. Gut feeling in that he never had any affection for this club - or it’s history and future- and felt he was too good for us.
Think you miss my point Tang,

He has improved every club he’s been at, at my club he achieved more than 2 previous England managers could achieve, with a quarter of the funding, then got hounded out as if he was a leper
For the fact the owners wouldn’t or couldn’t invest the money to move on,

After MM left us we ended up in the 1st Div
After MM left Sunderland they ended up in the 1st Div,
After MM left Millwall they ended up in the 1st Div
After MM left Ipswich, guess where they are now, ( a couple of years earlier if not for MM & Clipboard )

And there seems to be a link to all these clubs, INVESTMENT or a Lack of it,
Mick was a Football Manager not an Investor,

I wonder how much crap we would take doing our jobs without the tools before we bit.

and everything isn't about just getting paid up for your contract, its about pride for the likes of MM and Steve Bruce and the likes,
think they both have enough money not to worry about that.
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Post by number 9 » Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:50 pm

For all it’s worth, I honestly don’t think MM really gave two shitz about ITFC. It was just another paragraph on his CV. I can’t blame him entirely for the club’s demise, but he certainly contributed with his apathy. Keane caused the most damage as far as ME’s willingness to invest, but that’s the risk a real football owner must accept. Let’s face it Jewell, Hurst and Lambert were all panic appointees. Evans failed as the owner, and he probably deserves most of the credit for ruining the club…but I think he still cared about the legacy of ITFC. MM couldn’t give a rats arse about the club or fans.

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Post by goldandblack » Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:53 pm

number 9 wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:50 pm
For all it’s worth, I honestly don’t think MM really gave two shitz about ITFC. It was just another paragraph on his CV. I can’t blame him entirely for the club’s demise, but he certainly contributed with his apathy. Keane caused the most damage as far as ME’s willingness to invest, but that’s the risk a real football owner must accept. Let’s face it Jewell, Hurst and Lambert were all panic appointees. Evans failed as the owner, and he probably deserves most of the credit for ruining the club…but I think he still cared about the legacy of ITFC. MM couldn’t give a rats arse about the club or fans.
Exactly what I'm trying to say, Why would he give as you say two shitz about ITFC, he was on a loser the day he started, he just delayed your demise for 2/3 yrs,

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Post by number 9 » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:07 pm

goldandblack wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:53 pm
number 9 wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:50 pm
For all it’s worth, I honestly don’t think MM really gave two shitz about ITFC. It was just another paragraph on his CV. I can’t blame him entirely for the club’s demise, but he certainly contributed with his apathy. Keane caused the most damage as far as ME’s willingness to invest, but that’s the risk a real football owner must accept. Let’s face it Jewell, Hurst and Lambert were all panic appointees. Evans failed as the owner, and he probably deserves most of the credit for ruining the club…but I think he still cared about the legacy of ITFC. MM couldn’t give a rats arse about the club or fans.
Exactly what I'm trying to say, Why would he give as you say two shitz about ITFC, he was on a loser the day he started, he just delayed your demise for 2/3 yrs,
…and that’s exactly why I don’t regard MM with the same affection as you. Is that fair?

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Post by marko69 » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:14 pm

Almost 30K packed into Portman Road for that 1-1 1st leg play off in 2015. Did they get 3K? So that is 27K bouncing ITFC fans Mevans witnessed.

But......, fk all investment for 15/16 season.

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Post by valleyroad » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:14 pm

AzzurroMark wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:33 pm
Have not really had a chance to offer my views on MM. I was however also one of those few fans who stuck by him to the very near end. Admittedly i never shouted from the rooftops about it and yes i was one of those who stayed away from PR due to how highly toxic the atmosphere had become. I have always said that for me, catching up with a mate by going on the train, having a meal and a couple of pints is just as an important part of the match day experience as the game itself. When there is such hatred and bile making the atmosphere feel intimidating, that is where i draw the line
Will always be grateful for what MM achieved on a minimal budget, and while i was always a believer in Marcus Evans too, i have to say the latter was very much the blameworthy party in our clubs downfall (yes even if we only had a club because of him).
Mick purchased some decent talent for peanuts (Mings, Webster, Waghorn and Garner to name a few), along with securing some talented loan players. Of course there will always be flops. I believe that MM was shopping in Fortnum & Mason on a Netto budget and had he been fully backed following our play-off semifinal season could well have sneaked us into the top flight the following season. Very sadly from there, it started to go downhill! The football was certainly very dull at times, but i like to think that perhaps it was because we had a team which was already punching way above its weight, and by ducking and weaving the heavy punches coming our way, it kept a poor boxer from hitting the canvas a few rounds earlier. Obviously the end result was always going to be the same, sadly!
While I believe it was more of a majority who wanted him out, it was a minority element of "numbskulls" within that support who brought shame on this club and had MM marking their cards by calling them exacty what they are. The reported shameful behaviour after Brentford away was disgusting! Personally when Mick volleyed those comments towards our support after we had scored at Carrow Road, i found myself saying good for you Mick! Of course it was wrong of him to do it, but i understand what was possibly a spur of the moment surfacing of his frustrations.
Would he have been better being less stubborn? Of course he would. Would he have garnered more respect had he have quit, citing lack of funding, rather than carrying on taking a decent salary? Most certainly. On the otherhand had he received funding anywhere near that of Roy Keane, would he have made better than RK's failed attempts to reach the top flight, yes i feel sure he would!
Great post, couldn't agree more

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Re: Cardiff City

Post by goldandblack » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:16 pm

number 9 wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:07 pm
goldandblack wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:53 pm
number 9 wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:50 pm
For all it’s worth, I honestly don’t think MM really gave two shitz about ITFC. It was just another paragraph on his CV. I can’t blame him entirely for the club’s demise, but he certainly contributed with his apathy. Keane caused the most damage as far as ME’s willingness to invest, but that’s the risk a real football owner must accept. Let’s face it Jewell, Hurst and Lambert were all panic appointees. Evans failed as the owner, and he probably deserves most of the credit for ruining the club…but I think he still cared about the legacy of ITFC. MM couldn’t give a rats arse about the club or fans.
Exactly what I'm trying to say, Why would he give as you say two shitz about ITFC, he was on a loser the day he started, he just delayed your demise for 2/3 yrs,
…and that’s exactly why I don’t regard MM with the same affection as you. Is that fair?
we cant all be of the same beliefs or opinions 9, even if yours is wrong i still sort of except it :wink:
Anyway the facts are facts, we cant argue with facts, or can we ?

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