Why I want Cook replaced.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by Charnwood » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:27 pm

I think Paul Cook will still be here at the end of the season and I hope so too. Town are a football club in transition and Paul Cook and his team are are still “work in progress”.
Whilst he wasn’t my favourite for the job when he was appointed I’ve come to like him and most of the players he’s brought in too. I also like the way he wants us to play football which is mostly attacking, exciting and entertaining and I think even more important is the potential this team has, more so than any other Town team over the past ten years.
Over this period we’ve had the experienced Mick McCarthy who did a brilliant job saving us from relegation but he was never given any real support from ME and he did a typical ex defender Manager's job until he fell out with the supporters. The way he set up his teams was mostly boring exactly as they were to watch. Paul Hurst was the most ridiculous appointment of all and his recruitment like the man himself was dire. As for Paul Lambert he worked well at first to rebuild the relationship between players and fans but his football was equally as boring and negative as McCarthy, hence the ongoing decline of ITFC.
Along came Paul Cook, almost certainly the manager chosen by the new owners and if not fully endorsed by. Out went most of the deadwood and in came an almost complete new squad hand picked by himself and the clubs new management team. With the number of new players coming in they were never likely to play as a team from week one or even month one and some were certain to prove better fits than others, hence the work in progress title.
Surely everyone can see the progress that’s been made and the potential we have going forward, do we really want to throw this away and start again. At the moment we’re the second highest scoring team in English football, and scoring goals has always been the biggest challenge for town teams over recent years. I accept we’ve conceded lots too but fixing a defence is a much easier job for a manager than finding players who create chances and score goals. I’m convinced Paul Cook will fix our defence and if not with our current players with one or even two newbies in the January transfer window.
In my opinion changing the manager now would be suicidal and about the worst thing that could happen to our football club, especially in the short term. Looking further ahead I think he could do a decent job in the Championship too, looking beyond that at the present time is pointless.

Finally to AzzurroMark, I hope you are recovering well from Covid and not suffering too badly. 🤞

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by valleyroad » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:19 pm

Charnwood wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:27 pm
I think Paul Cook will still be here at the end of the season and I hope so too. Town are a football club in transition and Paul Cook and his team are are still “work in progress”.
Whilst he wasn’t my favourite for the job when he was appointed I’ve come to like him and most of the players he’s brought in too. I also like the way he wants us to play football which is mostly attacking, exciting and entertaining and I think even more important is the potential this team has, more so than any other Town team over the past ten years.
Over this period we’ve had the experienced Mick McCarthy who did a brilliant job saving us from relegation but he was never given any real support from ME and he did a typical ex defender Manager's job until he fell out with the supporters. The way he set up his teams was mostly boring exactly as they were to watch. Paul Hurst was the most ridiculous appointment of all and his recruitment like the man himself was dire. As for Paul Lambert he worked well at first to rebuild the relationship between players and fans but his football was equally as boring and negative as McCarthy, hence the ongoing decline of ITFC.
Along came Paul Cook, almost certainly the manager chosen by the new owners and if not fully endorsed by. Out went most of the deadwood and in came an almost complete new squad hand picked by himself and the clubs new management team. With the number of new players coming in they were never likely to play as a team from week one or even month one and some were certain to prove better fits than others, hence the work in progress title.
Surely everyone can see the progress that’s been made and the potential we have going forward, do we really want to throw this away and start again. At the moment we’re the second highest scoring team in English football, and scoring goals has always been the biggest challenge for town teams over recent years. I accept we’ve conceded lots too but fixing a defence is a much easier job for a manager than finding players who create chances and score goals. I’m convinced Paul Cook will fix our defence and if not with our current players with one or even two newbies in the January transfer window.
In my opinion changing the manager now would be suicidal and about the worst thing that could happen to our football club, especially in the short term. Looking further ahead I think he could do a decent job in the Championship too, looking beyond that at the present time is pointless.

Finally to AzzurroMark, I hope you are recovering well from Covid and not suffering too badly. 🤞
Spot on.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by AzzurroMark » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:48 pm

Charnwood wrote:
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Finally to AzzurroMark, I hope you are recovering well from Covid and not suffering too badly. 🤞
Thank you. I am getting there and the cough is slowly disappearing. Consider myself very lucky that i have not been badly affected thanks to the vaccines i received.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by Kerry Blue » Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:22 pm

AzzurroMark wrote:
Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:48 pm
Charnwood wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:27 pm
Finally to AzzurroMark, I hope you are recovering well from Covid and not suffering too badly. 🤞
Thank you. I am getting there and the cough is slowly disappearing. Consider myself very lucky that i have not been badly affected thanks to the vaccines i received.
Good news pleased for you 👍

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by AzzurroMark » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:43 am

Kerry Blue wrote:
Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:22 pm
AzzurroMark wrote:
Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:48 pm
Charnwood wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:27 pm
Finally to AzzurroMark, I hope you are recovering well from Covid and not suffering too badly. 🤞
Thank you. I am getting there and the cough is slowly disappearing. Consider myself very lucky that i have not been badly affected thanks to the vaccines i received.
Good news pleased for you 👍
Cheers. 👍

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by number 9 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:38 am

There’s been a lot of talk about Cook’s wrong decisions, but what about playing Clements? What about keeping Walton in? Those are examples of decisions based on performance. That’s what I want in a manager…play the best performing players.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by Bluemike » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:21 am

Messed up with Chaplin then

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by Charnwood » Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:08 am

Maybe he didn’t mess up with Chaplin, maybe he thinks Chaplin could do more, maybe he wanted to shake him up and not assume his place. Different players respond to different management styles and a good manager uses different styles with different people and at different times. There is so much psychology linked to good people management, and one is not to have a single style.

I certainly wouldn’t be getting too hooked up on this Chaplin scenario which seems to be getting overplayed.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by Bluemike » Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:37 am

At the time Chaplin was on fire and probably our best player, its not even so much about dropping him but not telling him why etc is poor.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by Bluemike » Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:10 am

When I started this thread someone remarked we were only 4 points off the play offs, what is it now ? Most thought I was stupid and on a wind up, not looking so daft at the moment. It could Change for the better but don't hold your breath.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by valleyroad » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:55 pm

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:10 am
When I started this thread someone remarked we were only 4 points off the play offs, what is it now ? Most thought I was stupid and on a wind up, not looking so daft at the moment. It could Change for the better but don't hold your breath.
You are too early with this IMO.
Cook's record as a manager is very good and proven.
The hire and fire strategy seems to work to an extent for Watford but not sure its where Ipswich want to be ?
It really depends on what type of owners the club has and the patience they will have.
Wonder what the Cobbold family would have done ?
For me its the end of the season and take stock unless things really go downhill which I personally doubt.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by Bluemike » Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:39 pm

I don't ever see it changing, the way its going atm its with justification too, it will end up happening so why waste time, I know its the Ipswich way but I'm sick of the Ipswich way quite frankly, the Ipswich way has taken us to where we are, a middle of the road, bang average Lesgue One side.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by rossi » Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:48 pm

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:10 am
When I started this thread someone remarked we were only 4 points off the play offs, what is it now ? Most thought I was stupid and on a wind up, not looking so daft at the moment. It could Change for the better but don't hold your breath.
I concur.

I was one of the very few on this board who was unhappy with the appointment of PC at the time it was made.
Over the months it seems that more and more people are thinking that maybe it wasn't such a good thing.
Quite frankly, given where we are currently and the total one dimensionality of the man, it amazes me that anybody can think he is still the man to take us forward.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by Bluemike » Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:52 pm

I really wanted him here and was happy with the appointment, I can't and won't shy away from that, but it didn't take me long to realise I was wrong, he's p*ss poor and completely One dimensional, I am more and more convinced it was Leam Richardson who was the brains of the outfit.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by valleyroad » Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:46 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:52 pm
I really wanted him here and was happy with the appointment, I can't and won't shy away from that, but it didn't take me long to realise I was wrong, he's p*ss poor and completely One dimensional, I am more and more convinced it was Leam Richardson who was the brains of the outfit.
Leam Richardson was only with Cook at Wigan from what i can see ? Doesn't explain he success everywhere else he has been manager ?
I would safely day that Cook done a first class job at Wigan.

Its a valid view to say cut and run now but it may just lead down the same dead end. Given Cook's record especially at lower level and that its a complete squad overhaul which loads backed, then I'd give him to end of season minimum

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by Shed on tour » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:00 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:39 pm
I don't ever see it changing, the way its going atm its with justification too, it will end up happening so why waste time, I know its the Ipswich way but I'm sick of the Ipswich way quite frankly, the Ipswich way has taken us to where we are, a middle of the road, bang average Lesgue One side.
I agree I think a decision should be made now. Unfortunately I don’t think it will be though and expect Cook to be here until the end of the season. As I said on another thread I just hope Ashton saves the money for the January transfer window for Cook’s replacement.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by mendipblue » Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:18 pm

I really don't give a dam what PC has done in the past . What concerns me is what he is doing now at ITFC and that is failing miserably. He is absolutely clueless when things are not going to plan A unfortunately there is no plan B. He plays players in the wrong positions he drops Chaplin who was on fire and talks utter twaddle when we lose or fail to win. For me he needs to go. I also thought he was a good appointment but I was wrong. We will not reach the play offs under this manager and we were favourites for promotion. PC out and the sooner the better.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by AzzurroMark » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:58 am

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Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:10 am
When I started this thread someone remarked we were only 4 points off the play offs, what is it now ? Most thought I was stupid and on a wind up, not looking so daft at the moment. It could Change for the better but don't hold your breath.
While i believe i, tongue in cheek, asked whether it was 1st April in my reply to your opening post, i do understand where you are coming from, even if we disagree. I guess my position is like your support of MM and i tend to be one of those who backs our manager when many have long given up on the cause (possibly Paul Hurst apart)!

I will continue to back PC as i like the improvement i have seen with the entire new ITFC set up. That is not to say I can't see faults in our side's style, nor that I don't share the frustrations of watching us being (basically) humiliated by Rotherham and embarrassed by some other results.

Sadly it looks like this latest EADT story backs up the concerns of anyone for who promotion is a non negotiable.

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-to ... es-8516212

Certainly it does make sobering reading, but while there is a chink of blue in the sky, i will continue to grasp at those positives. The positives being that both Blackpool and Oxford reached the play offs from 15th & 18th places at this date last season. Indeed Barnsley were an almost unbelievable 22nd place at this point in 2015/16!

Give me a positive to play with and i will take it all day long.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by Bluemike » Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:06 am

Mark, I knew your April 1st thing was a tongue in cheek joke, no problems on that score bud.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by Bluemike » Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:11 am

That article doesn't portray too many positives and we are always led to believe you are only as good as your last few results, what is it 4 points from 5 games ?
I made the point the start of the season had stuffed us already, everyone pretty much disagreed, the article spells it out loud and clear that those first few games have really given us these problems which are now so hard to get out of.

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Re: Why I want Cook replaced.

Post by AzzurroMark » Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:15 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:11 am
That article doesn't portray too many positives and we are always led to believe you are only as good as your last few results, what is it 4 points from 5 games ?
I made the point the start of the season had stuffed us already, everyone pretty much disagreed, the article spells it out loud and clear that those first few games have really given us these problems which are now so hard to get out of.
Totally agree, playing catch up so early to some very strong teams who generally seem to be pretty consistent is not a great recipe.
When i started reading that article i must admit that dark clouds of gloom started to descend, it is a rather depressing read. Likewise the latter positive paragraph gave me some straws to clutch to, though i am fully aware they are probably exceptions rather than the norm!

None of us on either side can ever say ITFC don't run us throughthe mill and the club should count itself lucky it can still attract 19k+ home crowds, along with a phenomenal away support.

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