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Sack Ashton

Post by hallamblue » Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:46 pm

I hope he’s feeling the bloody pressure tonight because frankly that’s NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

Sort it out Ashton or f*ck off : This is your mess

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Re: Sack Ashton

Post by mendipblue » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:00 pm

Sorry that is ridiculous. He dont pick the team or the tactics .

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Post by hallamblue » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:05 pm

Well these players are essentially downing tools I think on Ashtons decision to sack Cook .

Ashton brought a lot of these players in,

HE has chosen to then sack the manager after 20 gsmes .. TWENTY !! So now the players feel short changed : they were sold a dream by ASHTON to drop down and come here and HE has pulled the rug from under them . Of course they’re not bothered . You can see it !

Sorry but I’m bloody furious by the way this Club is going .

It’s going down the bloody pan !

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Re: Sack Ashton

Post by saint jude » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:20 pm

OTIB is going to love this. Whether you're for him or not, a number of supporters are actually behind Ashton and he's an individual with fan backing. Came in with a lot of baggage and all manner of questionable motives and after initial skepticsm at least prepared to allow him a chance before deciding if he's the devil incarnate.

He may have a few dubious qualities but as pointed out doesn't pick the squad or deploy formations / train the players into something they should be achieving Can sense the hurt today, we just got another embarrassing score and sh*t result, but its not the first time, it won't be the last. Suppose the team HAD just won this replay, put on a performance etc, guess few words would be said in anger.

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Post by number 9 » Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:14 am

I think the players are more accountable than Ashton.

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Re: Sack Ashton

Post by Bluemike » Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:28 am

Liz, is this thread serious?

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Re: Sack Ashton

Post by MasseyFerguson » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:03 am

I think it's a thread started because she is angry and frustrated. I know I feel the same anger and frustration. Our club is shambolic right now and it is painful to see how bad things are.

Cook is gone. He was struggling but I felt he should have been given more time. If anything, we look worse now than when he was here. There is no sign of a new manager being appointed who is clearly better than Cook. Most names being put forward are mediocre at best.

I am angry and want to lash out. Ashton worries me. I haven't warmed to him from the start. There is something about him I don't trust. Maybe some will say I'm influenced by what has been said about him by others. I really don't think that's it. Maybe we have our very own Dominic Cummings!

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Re: Sack Ashton

Post by Bluemike » Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:41 am

I totally get that , Liz is very passionate as we all are, I just think we are all so damn frustrated at the moment and emotions run high. This season is a write off again based on last night's efforts.

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Re: Sack Ashton

Post by Blue Wilf » Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:53 am

I said it before and I will say it one last time - there had to be things going on behind the scenes that we are not party to that led to Cool being sacked when he did - and I don't think they necessarily were all results related. Just my view. To sack him after 8 months, given his customary slow starts, having been heavily backed in the transfer market and to do it so quickly and without a replacement even on the radar just shouts to me of something big happened that meant he HAD to go when he did. Otherwise, they may as well have waited until they had their man. It will come out in due course, I am sure but for me, that is what happened...

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Post by rossi » Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:38 am

Let's be honest here - the club is a total shambles, but it hasn't happened overnight. The signs have been there for a couple of seasons or even longer.
And it's not down to just one thing or one person, but more down to a series of poor decisions taken by more than one individual.

When ME sold to Game Changer, we all saw it as the beginning of a new era. Mike Ashton was brought in, Paul Cook was manager, and most fans could see nothing but a positive outcome for the club.

I don't blame the owners for any of this mess, they have provided the funding, but the fact is that Mike Ashton and Paul Cook totally failed to deliver - in fact I think the club is now on a far worse place that it was when Lambert was sacked. Of course, I knew it would take time to rebuild, but I would have expected to have seen at least some signs of improvement

There is no doubt in my mind that sacking Paul Cook was the right thing to do - he was backed to the hilt by the owners, he oversaw a massive clearout and replacement of playing staff and got - mostly - the players he wanted. Actually, what he did was to clear out all of the crap and replace it with even more crap, and the worst thing is that he could not manage the crap he introduced.

I was prepared to give Mike Ashton a chance, but as the weeks go by and the more I see of him the less I like. He seems to want to meddle with the running of the team, and I'm worried that may well prevent a decent manager from wanting to come here. I now think that Mike Ashton has his own agenda, and that agenda is all about Mike Ashton and definitely not Ipswich Town.

I hate to say it, but I think the worst is yet to come - I just cannot see any proven manager of any sort of worth being willing to risk spoiling his cv by coming here - that leaves us with the option of bringing in an unknown and hoping it works.
That paragraph is completely correct, I am still not convinced on everyone's concerns regarding Ashton though, I may be missing something here as everyone else suddenly seems to have doubts, if that proves to be valid we really are in the mire and as you say "the worst is yet to come
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Re: Sack Ashton

Post by Bluemike » Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:45 am

Blue Wilf wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:53 am
I said it before and I will say it one last time - there had to be things going on behind the scenes that we are not party to that led to Cool being sacked when he did - and I don't think they necessarily were all results related. Just my view. To sack him after 8 months, given his customary slow starts, having been heavily backed in the transfer market and to do it so quickly and without a replacement even on the radar just shouts to me of something big happened that meant he HAD to go when he did. Otherwise, they may as well have waited until they had their man. It will come out in due course, I am sure but for me, that is what happened...
Agree with every word of this

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Blue Wilf wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:53 am
I said it before and I will say it one last time - there had to be things going on behind the scenes that we are not party to that led to Cool being sacked when he did - and I don't think they necessarily were all results related. Just my view. To sack him after 8 months, given his customary slow starts, having been heavily backed in the transfer market and to do it so quickly and without a replacement even on the radar just shouts to me of something big happened that meant he HAD to go when he did. Otherwise, they may as well have waited until they had their man. It will come out in due course, I am sure but for me, that is what happened...

100% on the money Blue Wilf. The timing of Paul Cooks sacking was absolutely ridiculous and this has clearly had a massive negative impact on the team who have completely imploded and are broken in both confidence and desire.

What goes on behind closed doors we fans sometimes never know but it would appear it wasn’t well planned and came as a shock to the players who have been left in total disarray. Some who thought they’d found career stability for the next few years will now be wondering what will happen next and concerned for their future, no surprise they can’t concentrate on playing football.

This is the sort of chaos expected from someone like Boris but not expected from a well run football club which we currently are not.

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Post by Dazzz67 » Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:45 am

I agree, she is fuming as most of us are, disapointed, and when your angry it flows out, im the same lol.

But think what she is saying is Ashton had a say in these players, he uses a system to get in the right people.... apparently, so he has had direct input into who comes in, therefore someways accountable for the knock on sh2te show we are all witnessing with the current muppets. He must of had a say in PC going, either a good or bad decision, time will tell.

Think we all need to see action sooner than later and we have to get the right man in, then hopefully things will settle down. This season is going to be a regroup and next season things will improve, got to try and be positive lol.

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Re: Sack Ashton

Post by Bluemike » Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:14 am

The bottom line is, despite the utter mess we are in we are still only a small winning run off the play offs which is why we need a decent interim manager for the rest of this season and Warnock is the man, then in the summer appoint very wisely, we'd buy ourselves a lot more time to get it right, this season is pretty much a free hit again so GET WARNOCK IN !!!!!

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Re: Sack Ashton

Post by hallamblue » Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:15 am

Bluemike wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:28 am
Liz, is this thread serious?
The way I feel right now Mike, yes .

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Post by barmy billy » Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:18 am

If you recall, at the time of all the new signings Ashton said he interviewd & effectively vetted them all to ensure they were committed & signed up to his vision, etc.

Bullshit!

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Re: Sack Ashton

Post by hallamblue » Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:18 am

Blue Wilf wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:53 am
I said it before and I will say it one last time - there had to be things going on behind the scenes that we are not party to that led to Cool being sacked when he did - and I don't think they necessarily were all results related. Just my view. To sack him after 8 months, given his customary slow starts, having been heavily backed in the transfer market and to do it so quickly and without a replacement even on the radar just shouts to me of something big happened that meant he HAD to go when he did. Otherwise, they may as well have waited until they had their man. It will come out in due course, I am sure but for me, that is what happened...
I feel it’s a case of Cook not matching Ashton’s ( I’m in charge) wishes …Ashton pulled the trigger in a very knee jerk way. Now look at us . The players reactions to this says volumes. Something is STILL not right behind the scenes ……. Let’s see how long the next fall guy lasts shall we.

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Post by Kerry Blue » Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:25 am

Bluemike wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:14 am
The bottom line is, despite the utter mess we are in we are still only a small winning run off the play offs which is why we need a decent interim manager for the rest of this season and Warnock is the man, then in the summer appoint very wisely, we'd buy ourselves a lot more time to get it right, this season is pretty much a free hit again so GET WARNOCK IN !!!!!
Spot on Mike I said the same a few days ago Warnock would sort them out and we would be given time no brainer.

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Post by Steve and Jo » Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:34 am

I totally understand fans being frustrated and even angry, I am both of these and far, far more

What I am not understanding is why turning on Ashton?
If you look at the players brought in and look at the so called quality of players from goal keeper who was the Best in League 2 in Hladky. Forwards Bonne, Pigott who are once again so highly thought of with great goal records. Midfield, Burns, Morsy, Evans, Caroll, Harper and Fraser, Add Chaplin, Aluko to that list of quality and then Edmundson in defence. And there's more. Look at the players, any team in the Championship would be pleased with these let alone a league 1 team

Also how many of these players have played before for Paul Cook? Be honest here, these players were far as I'm concerned ones that Cook wanted in, only player I am unsure about as far as on Paul's hit list was Celina. For me Ashton is doing his job but something is wrong. I don't think would of sacked Cook yet, I understand to a degree why the club acted but for me before chopping have something in place. We now have the games over Christmas coming up and John McGreal for me just isn't the manager and looking around as the prospects just isn't great.

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Steve and Jo wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:34 am
I totally understand fans being frustrated and even angry, I am both of these and far, far more

What I am not understanding is why turning on Ashton?
If you look at the players brought in and look at the so called quality of players from goal keeper who was the Best in League 2 in Hladky. Forwards Bonne, Pigott who are once again so highly thought of with great goal records. Midfield, Burns, Morsy, Evans, Caroll, Harper and Fraser, Add Chaplin, Aluko to that list of quality and then Edmundson in defence. And there's more. Look at the players, any team in the Championship would be pleased with these let alone a league 1 team

Also how many of these players have played before for Paul Cook? Be honest here, these players were far as I'm concerned ones that Cook wanted in, only player I am unsure about as far as on Paul's hit list was Celina. For me Ashton is doing his job but something is wrong. I don't think would of sacked Cook yet, I understand to a degree why the club acted but for me before chopping have something in place. We now have the games over Christmas coming up and John McGreal for me just isn't the manager and looking around as the prospects just isn't great.
Paul Cook maintained that he did not want a large squad, which flies in the face of Ashton signinģ so many. Wbose fault?

Also, are you sure so many of those signed would be wanted by Championship sides? Two or three at best probably.

Finally, look at Ashtons track record. I think the American owners must be worried & suspicious.

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Steve and Jo wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:34 am
I totally understand fans being frustrated and even angry, I am both of these and far, far more

What I am not understanding is why turning on Ashton?
If you look at the players brought in and look at the so called quality of players from goal keeper who was the Best in League 2 in Hladky. Forwards Bonne, Pigott who are once again so highly thought of with great goal records. Midfield, Burns, Morsy, Evans, Caroll, Harper and Fraser, Add Chaplin, Aluko to that list of quality and then Edmundson in defence. And there's more. Look at the players, any team in the Championship would be pleased with these let alone a league 1 team

Also how many of these players have played before for Paul Cook? Be honest here, these players were far as I'm concerned ones that Cook wanted in, only player I am unsure about as far as on Paul's hit list was Celina. For me Ashton is doing his job but something is wrong. I don't think would of sacked Cook yet, I understand to a degree why the club acted but for me before chopping have something in place. We now have the games over Christmas coming up and John McGreal for me just isn't the manager and looking around as the prospects just isn't great.
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Post by Bluemike » Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:04 pm

Billy compared to what we had it isn't a big squad now, plus some we wanted to move on are still hanging around.

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barmy billy wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:48 am
Steve and Jo wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:34 am
I totally understand fans being frustrated and even angry, I am both of these and far, far more

What I am not understanding is why turning on Ashton?
If you look at the players brought in and look at the so called quality of players from goal keeper who was the Best in League 2 in Hladky. Forwards Bonne, Pigott who are once again so highly thought of with great goal records. Midfield, Burns, Morsy, Evans, Caroll, Harper and Fraser, Add Chaplin, Aluko to that list of quality and then Edmundson in defence. And there's more. Look at the players, any team in the Championship would be pleased with these let alone a league 1 team

Also how many of these players have played before for Paul Cook? Be honest here, these players were far as I'm concerned ones that Cook wanted in, only player I am unsure about as far as on Paul's hit list was Celina. For me Ashton is doing his job but something is wrong. I don't think would of sacked Cook yet, I understand to a degree why the club acted but for me before chopping have something in place. We now have the games over Christmas coming up and John McGreal for me just isn't the manager and looking around as the prospects just isn't great.
Paul Cook maintained that he did not want a large squad, which flies in the face of Ashton signinģ so many. Wbose fault?

Also, are you sure so many of those signed would be wanted by Championship sides? Two or three at best probably.

Finally, look at Ashtons track record. I think the American owners must be worried & suspicious.
Sorry Billy the squad is smaller than it has been for years.

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Post by barmy billy » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:42 pm

Steve and Jo wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:10 pm
barmy billy wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:48 am
Steve and Jo wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:34 am
I totally understand fans being frustrated and even angry, I am both of these and far, far more

What I am not understanding is why turning on Ashton?
If you look at the players brought in and look at the so called quality of players from goal keeper who was the Best in League 2 in Hladky. Forwards Bonne, Pigott who are once again so highly thought of with great goal records. Midfield, Burns, Morsy, Evans, Caroll, Harper and Fraser, Add Chaplin, Aluko to that list of quality and then Edmundson in defence. And there's more. Look at the players, any team in the Championship would be pleased with these let alone a league 1 team

Also how many of these players have played before for Paul Cook? Be honest here, these players were far as I'm concerned ones that Cook wanted in, only player I am unsure about as far as on Paul's hit list was Celina. For me Ashton is doing his job but something is wrong. I don't think would of sacked Cook yet, I understand to a degree why the club acted but for me before chopping have something in place. We now have the games over Christmas coming up and John McGreal for me just isn't the manager and looking around as the prospects just isn't great.
Paul Cook maintained that he did not want a large squad, which flies in the face of Ashton signinģ so many. Wbose fault?

Also, are you sure so many of those signed would be wanted by Championship sides? Two or three at best probably.

Finally, look at Ashtons track record. I think the American owners must be worried & suspicious.
Sorry Billy the squad is smaller than it has been for years.
I realise it was very bloated prior to the new owners cull, but even after then I thought Cook was on record as saying the squad was larger than he liked working with. Perhaps I am mistaken, in which case I apologize.

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Post by Bluemike » Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:05 pm

I think he did say that Billy but when you see the clown playing a not match fit LB Coulsen at right wing at Plymouth it kind of suggests he didn't have enough players.

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Post by bluejacko » Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:06 pm

barmy billy wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:48 am
Steve and Jo wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:34 am
I totally understand fans being frustrated and even angry, I am both of these and far, far more

What I am not understanding is why turning on Ashton?
If you look at the players brought in and look at the so called quality of players from goal keeper who was the Best in League 2 in Hladky. Forwards Bonne, Pigott who are once again so highly thought of with great goal records. Midfield, Burns, Morsy, Evans, Caroll, Harper and Fraser, Add Chaplin, Aluko to that list of quality and then Edmundson in defence. And there's more. Look at the players, any team in the Championship would be pleased with these let alone a league 1 team

Also how many of these players have played before for Paul Cook? Be honest here, these players were far as I'm concerned ones that Cook wanted in, only player I am unsure about as far as on Paul's hit list was Celina. For me Ashton is doing his job but something is wrong. I don't think would of sacked Cook yet, I understand to a degree why the club acted but for me before chopping have something in place. We now have the games over Christmas coming up and John McGreal for me just isn't the manager and looking around as the prospects just isn't great.
Paul Cook maintained that he did not want a large squad, which flies in the face of Ashton signinģ so many. Wbose fault?

Also, are you sure so many of those signed would be wanted by Championship sides? Two or three at best probably.

Finally, look at Ashtons track record. I think the American owners must be worried & suspicious.
Didn’t Ashton say he was given a list of who Cook wanted and then tried to get them?
Why would the Americans be worried and suspicious? They appointed him and O’Leary after all.
I really don’t get where all this Ashton bashing is coming from apart from this Brizzle bloke on that other site stirring it up! with the usual suspects lapping it up.
Now linked with Man U first team coach cue the moans and groans😀

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Post by hallamblue » Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:21 pm

Just to clarify … now that I’m calmer …

Is I blame Ashton for sacking a manager and not having a replacement in the wings . The team has shown its ether displeasure of having their recruiting manager sacked from under them or they have been left simply just shell- shocked
( like most of us ) . The te appears to have completely fallen apart since Cooks sudden departure .

My view now is that It is becoming clearer that Cook was viewed by Ashton / O’Leary : the owners as the “ interim” manager , given the expensive infrastructure rebuild that had gone on since the take over , and that Cook was perhaps enforced on the new owners by Evans ( I have no idea why ), but that Cook was a dead man walking from the moment he took charge because the new regime have always wanted to go with z more modern , Head Coach approach. Cook didn’t fit snd nor did the old ( Lambert) squad. This now to me makes sense why Cook was sacked just 20 games into the new season .

So anyway …, new direction …. New approach … new focus . I just hope it works out , but I’m still concerned about how much influence Ashton will have on day to day football matters on the pitch : squad … that’s it . That’s my view / input to it all ,

Onwards and upwards : I hope 👍

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Post by number 9 » Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:40 pm

Wasn’t there a poll on either the ITFC.com or TWTD sites that asked fans if they were in favour of Cook being sacked? I believe it was 75% YES. It hardly sounds like a back room conspiracy to me. Oh well, time to move on. To quote a not so popular person at the moment, “The proof is in the pudding”.

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Post by rossi » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:24 am

hallamblue wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:21 pm
Just to clarify … now that I’m calmer …

Is I blame Ashton for sacking a manager and not having a replacement in the wings . The team has shown its ether displeasure of having their recruiting manager sacked from under them or they have been left simply just shell- shocked
( like most of us ) . The te appears to have completely fallen apart since Cooks sudden departure .

My view now is that It is becoming clearer that Cook was viewed by Ashton / O’Leary : the owners as the “ interim” manager , given the expensive infrastructure rebuild that had gone on since the take over , and that Cook was perhaps enforced on the new owners by Evans ( I have no idea why ), but that Cook was a dead man walking from the moment he took charge because the new regime have always wanted to go with z more modern , Head Coach approach. Cook didn’t fit snd nor did the old ( Lambert) squad. This now to me makes sense why Cook was sacked just 20 games into the new season .

So anyway …, new direction …. New approach … new focus . I just hope it works out , but I’m still concerned about how much influence Ashton will have on day to day football matters on the pitch : squad … that’s it . That’s my view / input to it all ,

Onwards and upwards : I hope 👍
That's your view on things, Liz, and of course I respect it.

My view is that Cook was sacked because he was crap.

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Re: Sack Ashton

Post by hallamblue » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:43 am

We’ll never know Gary , and things move on .
It’s going to be interesting to see how the new set up works going forward .

I wonder who McKenna will bring in ( on and off the pitch )?

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