Re: Rumors' & Transfers - Summer 2022
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:50 pm
Saw it on ITFC Away Days, not sure how reputable that is though.
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There’s a common theme here though isn’t there . Just about every manager that’s been at this club over the last decade had been accused of not giving youth its chance . I like many fans want to see it …. But maybe we don’t see the so called bigger picture ?
That's true, Mike, but only to a point. Those players have been given limited opportunities, but only when more senior players are injured or suspended and there is no other option - as soon as those missing players are available again then the young replacements are invariably left out.Bluemike wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:19 amMaybe its just a case of us wanting too much of it ? We do after all play youngsters when they are good enough, Woolfenden, Downes, Dozzell, El Mizouni, Clements, Dobra, Lankester, Emmanuel, Kenlock to name a few have all been given a chance at a young age in recent years, Baggott, Humphreys and Gibbs also had cameo appearances, I'm sure there are others too.
My fear with that back 3 is that Woolfenden has looked very good when he has experience beside him - Chambers a few years back, and last season. Without that experience (when Chambers was playing full back) Woolfenden was lost. Of course he might have improved since then, but to play him with two inexperienced partners would be very risky in my opinion. But you could certainly try one of the two.rossi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:13 amAll depends on how brave the manager is going to be, and how much belief he has in his young players.
Looking at what we have - and assuming KM will stick with a back 3 - Woolfenden is nailed on for a place.
So that leaves Edmundson and Burgess to take the other 2 slots? I think that Baggot and Ndaba are better options than both of these, so I'm with Mike on this one, I would play Baggot Ndaba and Woolfenden as my first choice back 3
I would be happy with a back Three of Woolfenden/ Edmundson/Baggott, yes Edmundson has an error in him but he also does a lot of good stuff too, im not sure KM will start the season with Baggott but for me he should be here, he's been gaining good experience with Indonesia already which is far better than grubbing around around at somewhere like Crawley.rossi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:13 amAll depends on how brave the manager is going to be, and how much belief he has in his young players.
Looking at what we have - and assuming KM will stick with a back 3 - Woolfenden is nailed on for a place.
So that leaves Edmundson and Burgess to take the other 2 slots? I think that Baggot and Ndaba are better options than both of these, so I'm with Mike on this one, I would play Baggot Ndaba and Woolfenden as my first choice back 3
Well if we go with the back 3 like last season- its Donacien (RCB), Woolf (CCB) and a LCB. And that will very likely be Edmundson. Ndaba and Baggott aren't going to get ahead of Edmundson if he's fit. And Burgess is likely to be the next in line.rossi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:13 amAll depends on how brave the manager is going to be, and how much belief he has in his young players.
Looking at what we have - and assuming KM will stick with a back 3 - Woolfenden is nailed on for a place.
So that leaves Edmundson and Burgess to take the other 2 slots? I think that Baggot and Ndaba are better options than both of these, so I'm with Mike on this one, I would play Baggot Ndaba and Woolfenden as my first choice back 3
I'm with you there. Don't understand the clamour to get Baggott into the side. It's only 2 games. He looked assured enough on the ball, but he still is raw in the defensive side. An experienced, tough striker would have fun with him and I thought in the 2 games he was lacking a bit with the defensive part of his game, although he was decent enough. Get him a season loan. It brought on Woolf and Ndaba, so why not him? And LCB is one area we're really strong in depth.How is he going to leap-frog Edmundson, Burgess and Ndaba by virtue of 2 dead-rubber games? We've still got the Evans-era syndrome of wanting to fill the side with academy players. One for the future with a loan out behind him, for me.shabba wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:25 pmNot trying to come across difficult, but what have we actually seen? 2 games - Rotherham and charlton? Maybe some have seen a lot of u23 games?
I haven’t seen Ndaba at all to be fair though. Just would feel right to give him the chance given he has earnt it via such a good loan, provides a pathway and Baggot has time on his side to go get in 30-40 games and gain that experience of playing weekly fighting for points, then come back still at a young age and push for a place
Exactly this!Tangfastic wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:10 amWell if we go with the back 3 like last season- its Donacien (RCB), Woolf (CCB) and a LCB. And that will very likely be Edmundson. Ndaba and Baggott aren't going to get ahead of Edmundson if he's fit. And Burgess is likely to be the next in line.rossi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:13 amAll depends on how brave the manager is going to be, and how much belief he has in his young players.
Looking at what we have - and assuming KM will stick with a back 3 - Woolfenden is nailed on for a place.
So that leaves Edmundson and Burgess to take the other 2 slots? I think that Baggot and Ndaba are better options than both of these, so I'm with Mike on this one, I would play Baggot Ndaba and Woolfenden as my first choice back 3
Who said anything about leaving JD out?shabba wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:23 pmExactly this!Tangfastic wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:10 amWell if we go with the back 3 like last season- its Donacien (RCB), Woolf (CCB) and a LCB. And that will very likely be Edmundson. Ndaba and Baggott aren't going to get ahead of Edmundson if he's fit. And Burgess is likely to be the next in line.rossi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:13 amAll depends on how brave the manager is going to be, and how much belief he has in his young players.
Looking at what we have - and assuming KM will stick with a back 3 - Woolfenden is nailed on for a place.
So that leaves Edmundson and Burgess to take the other 2 slots? I think that Baggot and Ndaba are better options than both of these, so I'm with Mike on this one, I would play Baggot Ndaba and Woolfenden as my first choice back 3
You cannot take out JD, he and Burns work so well together and the way he covers that right side is perfect.
Edmudson is the one you would say has competition, and I agree Burges is 'in the way' of others in that sense. I personally feel he is decent enough for league one so would keep him and loan out Baggott as I really do feel he needs proper game time in a battling side.
Then we can test out Ndaba against the other defenders and see if he is any better etc, if not he can move on next season and bring in Baggott for his chance to do the same.
In one of those games Baggott was described as the best player on the pitch by the so called commentators and experts, not sure he was lacking in much at all that day.Tangfastic wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:23 amI'm with you there. Don't understand the clamour to get Baggott into the side. It's only 2 games. He looked assured enough on the ball, but he still is raw in the defensive side. An experienced, tough striker would have fun with him and I thought in the 2 games he was lacking a bit with the defensive part of his game, although he was decent enough. Get him a season loan. It brought on Woolf and Ndaba, so why not him? And LCB is one area we're really strong in depth.How is he going to leap-frog Edmundson, Burgess and Ndaba by virtue of 2 dead-rubber games? We've still got the Evans-era syndrome of wanting to fill the side with academy players. One for the future with a loan out behind him, for me.shabba wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:25 pmNot trying to come across difficult, but what have we actually seen? 2 games - Rotherham and charlton? Maybe some have seen a lot of u23 games?
I haven’t seen Ndaba at all to be fair though. Just would feel right to give him the chance given he has earnt it via such a good loan, provides a pathway and Baggot has time on his side to go get in 30-40 games and gain that experience of playing weekly fighting for points, then come back still at a young age and push for a place
So you'd play JD as RWB? Move Burns somewhere else? KM won't do that as I think Burns works great for his formation etc.rossi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:29 pmWho said anything about leaving JD out?shabba wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:23 pmExactly this!Tangfastic wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:10 am
Well if we go with the back 3 like last season- its Donacien (RCB), Woolf (CCB) and a LCB. And that will very likely be Edmundson. Ndaba and Baggott aren't going to get ahead of Edmundson if he's fit. And Burgess is likely to be the next in line.
You cannot take out JD, he and Burns work so well together and the way he covers that right side is perfect.
Edmudson is the one you would say has competition, and I agree Burges is 'in the way' of others in that sense. I personally feel he is decent enough for league one so would keep him and loan out Baggott as I really do feel he needs proper game time in a battling side.
Then we can test out Ndaba against the other defenders and see if he is any better etc, if not he can move on next season and bring in Baggott for his chance to do the same.
I certainly didn't.
It's just that I think he'd be better employed as a proper wing back.
Indeed I would - he can defend, dribble, run, and is a good crosser of the ball, so meets my criteria for a good wing back.shabba wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:44 pmSo you'd play JD as RWB? Move Burns somewhere else? KM won't do that as I think Burns works great for his formation etc.rossi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:29 pmWho said anything about leaving JD out?shabba wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:23 pm
Exactly this!
You cannot take out JD, he and Burns work so well together and the way he covers that right side is perfect.
Edmudson is the one you would say has competition, and I agree Burges is 'in the way' of others in that sense. I personally feel he is decent enough for league one so would keep him and loan out Baggott as I really do feel he needs proper game time in a battling side.
Then we can test out Ndaba against the other defenders and see if he is any better etc, if not he can move on next season and bring in Baggott for his chance to do the same.
I certainly didn't.
It's just that I think he'd be better employed as a proper wing back.