HM Queen Elizabeth

Here you can chat about everything and anything related to ITFC and other football issues. This forum also hosts the now Internationally famous TB.com ITFC match previews which contain insightful pre-match thoughts, previous highlights, news links relating to Town, form guides and other bits and pieces. Feel free to discuss meet ups/travel plans in here as well.

Moderators: marko69, Bluemike, Charnwood

User avatar
Bluemike
Global Moderator
Posts: 26148
Joined: Mon May 18, 2009 5:26 pm
Location: Ipswich

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by Bluemike » Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:16 am

My churro's covered in chocolate sauce were gorgeous last night. 😋

User avatar
rossi
Posts: 2516
Joined: Fri Nov 07, 2003 3:18 pm
Location: Broomfield

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by rossi » Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:09 am

goldandblack wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:17 pm
Anyone would think that SPORT was the be all and end all and the only thing that matters, people along the route to Edinburg, at Buck House, Windsor, parents took their kids to watch history unfolding and to say thank you, that’s what’s important to me,

Kids need to know about the past, even if they think they don’t,

All sports from top to bottom should be cancelled for the whole 7 to 10 days for mourning, then little Johnny can stay at home and learn all about what this lady did for him and us unselfishly,
But it's sad today it's all about “look at poor little me” not going to football, cricket etc etc, :astroll:
Sorry, but that sort of dictatorial attitude is how it all started in Nazi Germany.
I'm not against national mourning, but this is a free country and people should be left to decide for themselves.

User avatar
Ricco
Posts: 2194
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:05 pm

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by Ricco » Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:09 am

Yeah, I'm sorry, I don't see that at all GnB. Maybe had she died suddenly in her 40s or 50s, then that's different, but if you can't celebrate at life of 96 years, then when on earth can you? I think a week of sorrow is really teaching kids the wrong things about death and starting them on a road to a bad relationship with the topic personally. They should be taught at school and by their parents who the Royal family are, the history around it etc etc, but again, I don't think a week of mourning and lessons (likely to be boring in their eyes) is really the best way to celebrate her life and teach them in the best way.

Everyone can mourn in their own way, but by cancelling sports you are stopping those what want to come together, want to sing, applaud, fall silent in respect. I think it's very poor form to suggest that everyone who thinks sports should go ahead are merely out for themselves and just cheesed off that they don't have a game of footie to go to. Sport has always been possibly the best way to bring people together after tough times.

User avatar
goldandblack
Posts: 5930
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:48 am
Location: in the doghouse

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by goldandblack » Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:00 pm

marko69 wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:21 pm
Think I'd prefer a site full of car w*nkers than the direction this is going.
Your right Marco, also its not the thread to bring into disrepute, just wanted to see who was in that car :D
OK Just one last comment, As for BlueMike covering his Churro’s in Chocolate, ,"I say Orf with his head" , :wink:

mendipblue
Posts: 347
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:48 pm

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by mendipblue » Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:33 am

Andym wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:00 pm
goldandblack wrote:
Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:17 pm
Anyone would think that SPORT was the be all and end all and the only thing that matters, people along the route to Edinburg, at Buck House, Windsor, parents took their kids to watch history unfolding and to say thank you, that’s what’s important to me,

Kids need to know about the past, even if they think they don’t,

All sports from top to bottom should be cancelled for the whole 7 to 10 days for mourning, then little Johnny can stay at home and learn all about what this lady did for him and us unselfishly,
But it's sad today it's all about “look at poor little me” not going to football, cricket etc etc, :astroll:
I’m afraid I don’t agree. I really doing get the “7 days of mourning” or whatever the number is, but you still go to work. I admire the Queen and her work ethic, but don’t see the need for a Royal Family/ monarch at all. We are pretty much a republic in so far as the monarch has no power or authority - as demonstrated that she could not prevent Johnson’s illegal proroguing of Parliament, only the courts could do that.
It’s never happened here before in my lifetime, but whenever elsewhere there has been a period of mourning, I’ve always asked what does it mean. I suspect the decision to postpone all the footy was just a panic that some in Liverpool might not respect a minute’s silence. And fit that, all football is stopped. Johnson’s Government have moved to make just about any protest potentially illegal, and although I wouldn’t support a disruption of a minute’s silence, I respect anyone’s right to protest. Just as I respect their right to strike and withdraw labour. I wonder also if the move was a panic in case they were attacked by the Daily Mail if they went ahead - only to find out later that other sports were indeed going ahead.
At times like this I’m glad to be an old man without too many years left to watch the decline of our country where freedom of speech and opinion are being stamped on by the procedures elite who run our country.
https://twitter.com/lunchtime_vibes/sta ... lQvY4fbf3g Your right about the Liverpool fans. They are scum

User avatar
goldandblack
Posts: 5930
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:48 am
Location: in the doghouse

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by goldandblack » Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:15 pm

mendipblue wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:33 am
https://twitter.com/lunchtime_vibes/sta ... lQvY4fbf3g Your right about the Liverpool fans. They are scum

deleted
Last edited by goldandblack on Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.

mendipblue
Posts: 347
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:48 pm

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by mendipblue » Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:38 pm

goldandblack wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:15 pm
mendipblue wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:33 am
https://twitter.com/lunchtime_vibes/sta ... lQvY4fbf3g Your right about the Liverpool fans. They are scum

Not all did, but You just know they will blame everyone else as usual, but on the plus side at least the whole or any misguided thinking on those scouse have now been corrected.and by themselves.

probably the French, Yorkshire Police and the heysail stewards, will be blamed or perhaps the royal family?, if I was their manager or a player I'd have walked off in disgrace, and Klipy de Klopp should resign and walk away.
Yep as usual it's never there fault. It's about time the football Authorities started punishing the club with fines or points deductions then just maybe the club would actually condem the behaviour of the scum and even ban them from the stadium starting with the silly cow who was laughing at the disrespect of the minutes silence.

User avatar
marko69
Global Moderator
Posts: 21318
Joined: Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:16 am
Location: Somewhere between here and there.

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by marko69 » Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:38 pm

That was a nervous act of disbelief by the lass in my opinion. Jaysus H, I fkn hate the Twatter pish. Not defending Liverpool by any means....., but again the extreme few ruin it for the giants of world football......, but this "cameras everywhere" society?? If I was that lass, I'd find the cameraman and sue the bstd.

Steve
Posts: 26
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:44 pm

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by Steve » Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:55 pm

56,000 in the stadium and the cameraman had to pick her out

Agrees with Marko here

User avatar
goldandblack
Posts: 5930
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:48 am
Location: in the doghouse

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by goldandblack » Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:35 pm

marko69 wrote:
Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:38 pm
That was a nervous act of disbelief by the lass in my opinion. Jaysus H, I fkn hate the Twatter pish. Not defending Liverpool by any means....., but again the extreme few ruin it for the giants of world football......, but this "cameras everywhere" society?? If I was that lass, I'd find the cameraman and sue the bstd.
deleted
Last edited by goldandblack on Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
goldandblack
Posts: 5930
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:48 am
Location: in the doghouse

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by goldandblack » Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:56 pm

Well i think the 4 nations, the Commonwealth, the rest of the World has now showed the very small anti royalists what they think,
Thank you ma'am, Your Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, RIP

Image

User avatar
bluejacko
Posts: 793
Joined: Mon May 15, 2006 3:48 pm

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by bluejacko » Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:23 pm

goldandblack wrote:
Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:56 pm
Well i think the 4 nations, the Commonwealth, the rest of the World has now showed the very small anti royalists what they think,
Thank you ma'am, Your Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, RIP

Image
AMEN👍

Andym
Posts: 4984
Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:47 pm
Location: Mid Suffolk

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by Andym » Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:34 pm

goldandblack wrote:
Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:56 pm
Well i think the 4 nations, the Commonwealth, the rest of the World has now showed the very small anti royalists what they think,
Thank you ma'am, Your Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, RIP

Image
There are anti-royalists, particularly among the younger generation. They are a minority but I wouldn’t call them small. All the press coverage has obviously focused on those who feel a strong allegiance to the queen - many of whom, but not all, will also feel similarly about the monarchy. But much of the outpouring of grief is at the loss of a woman who has served the country well for many years. This isn’t the same as supporting the monarchy.
I still maintain that some of the (over) reaction is encouraged by the extraordinary level of press coverage.
I respect the Queen for the way she carried out her duties, but I remain a Republican. I see no need for a royal family. The make no decisions, there is a net cost to the country, they have very luxurious lives. The only reason I would support them is that I’m not sure an elected he’s of state would be any better.

User avatar
Frosty
Forum Owner
Posts: 3705
Joined: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:46 am

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by Frosty » Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:52 pm

I understand the republican argument and probably sit more on this side of the fence, however, I suspect the value of the royal family to tourism and raising the UK’s profile more than offsets the negatives.

Also, QEII efforts in strengthening the commonwealth during her reign was another huge success.

User avatar
goldandblack
Posts: 5930
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:48 am
Location: in the doghouse

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by goldandblack » Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:02 pm

How much money does the royal family bring in tourism?
Each year, millions of tourists travel to the UK to visit its many historical royal landmarks.
Online Facts

While the average annual cost for UK taxpayers in royal upkeep comes to around..... £500m a year, .....Brand Finance estimates the monarchy’s brand contributes .....£2.5bn .....to the British economy in the same timeframe.

So
the Royal Family cost us ......£500m a year,
the Royal Family brought in..£2.5bn over the same period,
Last edited by goldandblack on Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Andym
Posts: 4984
Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:47 pm
Location: Mid Suffolk

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by Andym » Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:06 pm

goldandblack wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:02 pm
trade unionists don't usually bother with facts do they,,
That comment alone makes me feel very sad and to be honest I find it very personal and insulting. I worked bloody hard as a trade unionist to resolve disputes, giving up hours of my own time. I like to think I was generally respected by both sides because I aimed to be a trouble shooter, not s as trouble maker. Without the trade unions, the gulf between the rich and the poor would be even greater.

Not sure how accurate your “facts” are. What I do know is that your costs don’t include the massive cost of police protection etc for all of them.

Let me put out another way. How much of that income is generated by Prince Andrew? Or Edward? Or the even more minor royals? Then ask me why we need a whole royal extended family rather than a single head of state.

I’ve tried to be balanced in my comments, saying that I thought the Queen worked very hard and did a decent job.
That’s my final word on this thread.

User avatar
goldandblack
Posts: 5930
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:48 am
Location: in the doghouse

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by goldandblack » Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:27 pm

deleted
Last edited by goldandblack on Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:17 pm, edited 3 times in total.

User avatar
Frosty
Forum Owner
Posts: 3705
Joined: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:46 am

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by Frosty » Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:48 pm

This thread is to reflect on the passing of Queen Elizabeth, let’s not let it become a debate on other matters please, or I will with great reluctance have to consider removing some posts. Thanks for your understanding.

User avatar
goldandblack
Posts: 5930
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:48 am
Location: in the doghouse

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by goldandblack » Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:50 pm

Frosty wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:48 pm
This thread is to reflect on the passing of Queen Elizabeth, let’s not let it become a debate on other matters please, or I will with great reluctance have to consider removing some posts. Thanks for your understanding.
yeah, your right Dave, we have drifted away from the reason of this thread, probably down to me, slapped wrist taken wink:

have deleted my side of the debate not related to the thread, I think it's time for this Wolf to return to his neck of the woods and leave you good folk in peace, COYB&W&G

or as two famous poets once sang.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0u3NM8rd1U

Dazzz67
Posts: 1182
Joined: Thu May 10, 2007 1:36 pm
Location: Swindon

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by Dazzz67 » Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:21 pm

Well, its finally all over and the Queen has been laid to rest. Found today very moving and always find the pipes get me everytime, yep I blubbed. Watched virtually all day and I bet it was a long day for all involved, they did us proud.

I felt for Charles and most of the royal family, hard day for them. No we can all move on with happy memories of a true monarch, she will be missed.

RIP Queen Elizabeth II

User avatar
Bluemike
Global Moderator
Posts: 26148
Joined: Mon May 18, 2009 5:26 pm
Location: Ipswich

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by Bluemike » Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:50 am

I thought the guys carrying the coffin deserve a medal, absolutely impeccable and such pressure.

User avatar
arana peligrosa
Posts: 9760
Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:41 pm

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by arana peligrosa » Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:48 pm

An occasion many won't get to see again or recall before in their lifetimes. Think Churchill was the last figure to have a State Funeral back in the 60's so it were a first time event for many. Didn't catch the entirety of it but it were something of a flawless immaculate procession in terms of duty and organization.

One last time, to serve 70 years as head of state and Queen of a nation is without question a remarkable accomplishment. You don't have to be a royalist or supporter of the monarchy to understand the time, duties, and leadership involved. You had to feel or maintain a certain level of pride and stature in being British as events unfolded, other than the sadness of the occasion itself, it were a service and remembrance of the highest order.

BlueBalls
Posts: 652
Joined: Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:37 pm

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by BlueBalls » Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:48 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:50 am
I thought the guys carrying the coffin deserve a medal, absolutely impeccable and such pressure.
Solid oak and lead lined.

Respect to them.

User avatar
marko69
Global Moderator
Posts: 21318
Joined: Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:16 am
Location: Somewhere between here and there.

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by marko69 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:52 pm

Dazzz67 wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:21 pm
Well, its finally all over and the Queen has been laid to rest. Found today very moving and always find the pipes get me everytime, yep I blubbed. Watched virtually all day and I bet it was a long day for all involved, they did us proud.

I felt for Charles and most of the royal family, hard day for them. No we can all move on with happy memories of a true monarch, she will be missed.

RIP Queen Elizabeth II
That part highlighted tugged on the heart strings for me also, Dazza. The whole week watching the progress of the proceedings; down thru Scotland, then at St Giles in The ‘Burgh then onto London……. There were no tears really, just a sadness for the King.
But yesterday when that Lone Piper walked away around the corner…… holy sh*t man! My wife said, “very iconic isn’t it”…… could only nod back as my voice would’ve squeaked.

And King Charles? Never really ever gave Prince Charles a thought in my life, but he won us all over (in my family anyway). Pure emotion etched right there on his face as he held it all together whilst having over a billion eyes on him. Very strong man and he’ll be a great King trying to emulate his mother in however many years he will have.

Long live King Charlie Boy. 👍

User avatar
Charnwood
Global Moderator
Posts: 15721
Joined: Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:25 pm
Location: Moraira, Spain.

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by Charnwood » Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:55 pm

It really was a momentous occasion like never seen before and so we’ll planned. I have to admit to watching it non stop for 7hrs with a damp handkie near to hand. There were many tearjerking moments for me including the lone piper, the great grandkids George & Charlotte whose behaviour was exemplary for 9 and 7 year olds, and the Queens horse Emma standing by the roadside looking like she knew exactly what was going on, and of course the Queens corgies waiting by the door in the grounds of Windsor Castle, all emotional moments for me and many more too. Absolutely nothing relevant was missed. I thought the Archbishop of Canterbury’s sermon was brilliantly worded too and suitably brief. At times I felt sorry for Harry although most of his issues are self brought on the same as his Uncle Andy who looked like the sad misfit he his.
With the Queen now departed the Royals will have to work hard to maintain the Monarchy’s popularity going however I think Charles, and William have been well prepared and will do a good job especially with a few reforms which have already begun.

God Save the King 🤴

User avatar
Ohiotractorboy
Posts: 2315
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:48 am
Location: Central Ohio

Re: HM Queen Elizabeth

Post by Ohiotractorboy » Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:05 am

As an American, I must say your state funerals are a sight to behold!

As Forrest would say, "That's all I go to say about that."

Post Reply