League 1 - Sheffield Wednesday vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

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Re: League 1 - Sheffield Wednesday vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Bluemike » Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:19 am

I don't want VAR, I want numbskulls to do their jobs, miles offside.

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Post by marko69 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:00 pm

Finding it hard to believe that it even warranted a discussion. Could’ve cycled a Boris Bike with fat b*stard Boris on it through that offside gap.
Valley……. Great win v Celtic and all that but once you’re done celebrating, get yersel tae Specsavers, man! :lol:

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Post by rossi » Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:44 pm

Bluemike wrote:
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I don't want VAR, I want numbskulls to do their jobs, miles offside.
Don't we all - trouble is we don't live in a perfect world.

VAR is used in the Premiership, and every week overturns a number of mistakes/bad decisions made by the officials. Not just one or two, but a number. PL officials are 2 levels above the dross that we get, so if PL officials make plenty of mistakes what chance do we in lowly League 1 have? Like it or loathe it, VAR does correct mistakes most of the time - if you don't want it then fine but just accept that officials at this level are going to get plenty of things wrong.

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Post by Bluemike » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:08 pm

But every week Gary ? Surely they can have a good day occasionally, and it's not just us that suffer, it's across the board.

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Post by rossi » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:33 am

Bluemike wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:08 pm
But every week Gary ? Surely they can have a good day occasionally, and it's not just us that suffer, it's across the board.
I know it beggars belief, Mike, that people are being well paid to do a job and are failing to deliver - but it's happening consistently across all levels of referees and linesmen. I think the odd one will have the occasional good day, but there's too few really good officials and no consistency among the lesser ones. But you are right, all teams across the board will suffer from bad decisions over the course of a season. VAR is not the be0all and end-all, but if operated properly will prevent most of the really bad mistakes.

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Post by marko69 » Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:28 am

There are a very small number of really good referees who don’t buckle under pressure of a massive home support. Steven McLean up here in Scotland is a very good referee. Not scared to award penalties (that are in fact penalties) in front of a huge crowd of angry fans.

But too many refs are crowd listeners. How many times does a player collapse like he’s had an aneurism, theres that 1 second gap, crowd scream, “woh ref?” ——>> ref blows whistle.

Its a horrific job but 🤷‍♂️…… they chose to do it. Maybe what they didn’t factor into their choices was the fact that players would become increasingly more dishonest and its basically loaded with cheating bastards. And THAT is all the FA’s fault, UEFA’s fault, FIFA’s fault. Putting in better and more concrete rules for feigning injury, falling like you’ve been struck by lightening, and time wasting (subs etc) then maybe the job becomes easier. Because as of right now, players are getting away with their bullshit.

Its in the refs interest to get the game sorted out.

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Post by valleyroad » Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:04 pm

rossi wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:59 am
I know it beggars belief, Mike, that people are being well paid to do a job and are failing to deliver - but it's happening consistently across all levels of referees and linesmen. I think the odd one will have the occasional good day, but there's too few really good officials and no consistency among the lesser ones. But you are right, all teams across the board will suffer from bad decisions over the course of a season. VAR is not the be0all and end-all, but if operated properly will prevent most of the really bad mistakes.
To get to top in refereeing in England you have to be exceptional and to get to the PL even better.
A good few really good Championship officials have struggled at PL level.
Most officials are anything but crap, the one thing they all are though is human beings.

VAR is a good thing as it takes away the majority of human error. Its not full proof though as its human beings that are operating it and some decisions again are borderline. Its been very interesting seeing the focus of abuse going now to VAR officials. What is worse if the referee now feeling so intimidated that they accept virtually every VAR referral.

One of the other issues is a society issue where the level of abuse through social media and society in general has risen to such a level that many young man and women will not want to do it. Which just makes the situation worse !

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Post by valleyroad » Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:22 pm

marko69 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:00 pm
Finding it hard to believe that it even warranted a discussion. Could’ve cycled a Boris Bike with fat b*stard Boris on it through that offside gap.
Valley……. Great win v Celtic and all that but once you’re done celebrating, get yersel tae Specsavers, man! :lol:
Wasn't going to mention 1-0

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Post by hallamblue » Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:46 pm

rossi wrote:
Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:33 am
Bluemike wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:08 pm
But every week Gary ? Surely they can have a good day occasionally, and it's not just us that suffer, it's across the board.
I know it beggars belief, Mike, that people are being well paid to do a job and are failing to deliver - but it's happening consistently across all levels of referees and linesmen. I think the odd one will have the occasional good day, but there's too few really good officials and no consistency among the lesser ones. But you are right, all teams across the board will suffer from bad decisions over the course of a season. VAR is not the be0all and end-all, but if operated properly will prevent most of the really bad mistakes.
I’m sure a lot of the problem now is that linesmen don’t seem to take an “ active” part in games anymore. They seem to wait for the ref to make a decision, when the ref is always behind the play. Bloody useless officialdom these days. And players who cheat don’t help the situation;. But cheats always seem to prosper in society these days don’t they.

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Re: League 1 - Sheffield Wednesday vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by valleyroad » Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:59 pm

hallamblue wrote:
Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:46 pm
rossi wrote:
Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:33 am
Bluemike wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:08 pm
But every week Gary ? Surely they can have a good day occasionally, and it's not just us that suffer, it's across the board.
I know it beggars belief, Mike, that people are being well paid to do a job and are failing to deliver - but it's happening consistently across all levels of referees and linesmen. I think the odd one will have the occasional good day, but there's too few really good officials and no consistency among the lesser ones. But you are right, all teams across the board will suffer from bad decisions over the course of a season. VAR is not the be0all and end-all, but if operated properly will prevent most of the really bad mistakes.
I’m sure a lot of the problem now is that linesmen don’t seem to take an “ active” part in games anymore. They seem to wait for the ref to make a decision, when the ref is always behind the play. Bloody useless officialdom these days. And players who cheat don’t help the situation;. But cheats always seem to prosper in society these days don’t they.
I'd say fitness levels of referees are at the highest they have ever been ?

"Bloody useless officialdom these days." is a phrase I hear every year since I followed football.
I remember Jack Mowatt who was Head of Refereeing in Scotland standing at referees conference in 1988 holding up papers from the last 4 decades saying words to that effect. It will never change.

Another thing is that players have always cheated and they always will. That will never change too.

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Re: League 1 - Sheffield Wednesday vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Bluemike » Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:11 pm

First player to throw himself to the floor, whether it be the first or ninetieth minute, Red card, simple, second player does it, Red card again, you will very soon stamp it out.

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Re: League 1 - Sheffield Wednesday vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by marko69 » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:11 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:11 pm
First player to throw himself to the floor, whether it be the first or ninetieth minute, Red card, simple, second player does it, Red card again, you will very soon stamp it out.
Bingo!

And Valley……. Yes, you are right ; there’s always been cheating, IN SOCCER. Its in their interest to address it.

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Re: League 1 - Sheffield Wednesday vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by valleyroad » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:20 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:11 pm
First player to throw himself to the floor, whether it be the first or ninetieth minute, Red card, simple, second player does it, Red card again, you will very soon stamp it out.
Aye try that in an Old Firm game.
You can referee that one 😁😁😁

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