League 1 - Sheffield Wednesday vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

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Post by shabba » Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:39 pm

Didn’t see the game today, can anyone give a summary?

How did we play overall. A point is still a good result, but won’t feel like it right now.

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Post by mendipblue » Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:00 pm

Because of poor refereeing/linesman Town have been denied 4 extra points the disallowed goal against Barnsley and the offside today. What's worrying we have only played 9 games. I hope someone speaks to whoever runs these officials because this is ridiculous. We also got 6 bookings today? For what?

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Post by arana peligrosa » Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:02 am

Their players scored three goals to our one and we were only minutes away from getting a victory. We should be three points clear at the top, not level on goal difference. Portsmouth saved themselves in additional time and we missed out in the closing stages. It's tough but you move on, can't dwell on these things.

Walton could do little about either of their goals from highlights provided and while Jackson got a rare goal in, still not won over by his time here. Replies say the referee had a poor afternoon : haven't been able to assess enough evidence to support it but fact remains the kid should never have been put in charge of such a pivotal fixture to begin with.

Didn't see what formation McKenna started with maybe it's better that way. All told we made the trip to a tough opponent, took a two goal lead and came very near to winning it. There's got to be a number of positives to take from today. The team showed character once again by all account and proved yet again we've progressed far and wide from the abysmal scores and performance that were only too evident in the not too recent past.

Would wish for more league action in a week from now and not curtailed by any bullshit internationals that seem imminent. We didn't win but it's an encouraging score, something many would have taken before any play were underway. Need to keep it going at the next available opportunity.

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Post by JohnnyB » Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:53 am

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Robbed me of my 1-2 prediction too. ☹️😮👎
I said 2-2. But I would rather you were right

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Post by Tangfastic » Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:24 am

mendipblue wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:00 pm
Because of poor refereeing/linesman Town have been denied 4 extra points the disallowed goal against Barnsley and the offside today. What's worrying we have only played 9 games. I hope someone speaks to whoever runs these officials because this is ridiculous. We also got 6 bookings today? For what?
Over the course of the season, most clubs will have the same complaint. Not just us.

I feel more aggrieved about this one than Barnsley because the offside goal was the equaliser whereas we were still in the lead when we had the disallowed goal against Barnsley. At the end of the day we've got to concentrate on the things we can only influence and cut out the silly mistakes- don't give the ball away, no silly free-kicks, mark up at set-pieces, etc.

As for the 6 bookings - no complaints. We were giving away too many free-kicks at the end and deliberately making professional fouls. Leif Davis' booking I couldn't work out, though.

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Post by Andym » Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:17 am

Tangfastic wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:24 am
At the end of the day we've got to concentrate on the things we can only influence and cut out the silly mistakes- don't give the ball away, no silly free-kicks, mark up at set-pieces, etc.

As for the 6 bookings - no complaints. We were giving away too many free-kicks at the end and deliberately making professional fouls. Leif Davis' booking I couldn't work out, though.
I agree; many of the bookings were for professional fouls (I hate that expression), often because of a mistake like giving the ball away.
I think Davis’ booking was for dribbling the ball away when it was their goal kick. A very petty decision.

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Post by Bluemike » Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:47 am

Not to single anyone out but if Burns doesn't commit that ridiculous and totally unnecessary foul that led to their first goal we win that game hands down, bloody stupid, McKenna even alluded to it in his interview, that said the equaliser was clear offside, the ref had lost control by that point, the hostility inside the ground was incredible by then and this is how Portman Road needs to be, without the throwing of missiles of course, it will win them points over the season and we need to do the same.

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Post by Andym » Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:01 am

I remember reading a bit by Gareth Southgate before the last World Cup. He’s been analysing German tabs and looking for the reasons for their regular success. He realised that, among other factors, they rarely conceded free kicks in the defensive third of the pitch. It’s not rocket science. And as has been said above, when they are needless fouls, it’s very frustrating.
Of course the other side to that is that when you concede free kicks, you need to defend them better!

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Post by Tangfastic » Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:21 am

Even though we've improved at set-pieces, I don't think we're anywhere near other teams.

With certain teams, I get a sense of doom when they're lining up a free-kick, corner or even a long throw-in. The way an opposition player is poised to take a free-kick and the way we set up defensively makes it look like its going to be a dangerous freekick at pace. I wouldn’t feel anywhere as confident if we had an offensive set-piece.

Something to improve on. Our own set-pieces and defending them.

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Post by Andym » Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:44 am

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Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:21 am
Even though we've improved at set-pieces, I don't think we're anywhere near other teams.

With certain teams, I get a sense of doom when they're lining up a free-kick, corner or even a long throw-in. The way an opposition player is poised to take a free-kick and the way we set up defensively makes it look like its going to be a dangerous freekick at pace. I wouldn’t feel anywhere as confident if we had an offensive set-piece.

Something to improve on. Our own set-pieces and defending them.
Agree completely

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Post by Bluemike » Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:53 am

The thing is our clean sheet record under Mckenna is phenomenal so we can't be conceding that often from them but I do get what you are saying, you never really feel comfortable but the stats read out yesterday on clean sheets were just incredible.

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Post by Tangfastic » Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:01 am

Bluemike wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:53 am
The thing is our clean sheet record under Mckenna is phenomenal so we can't be conceding that often from them but I do get what you are saying, you never really feel comfortable but the stats read out yesterday on clean sheets were just incredible.
You're right - defensive record is very good. But I also feel its something we should be better at. Got to say - Burgess is our best defender at set-pieces. Gets his head onto a lot of balls.

Top of the league, unbeaten and if we get good results against Plymouth and Pompey this result looks even better.

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Post by JohnnyB » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:40 am

I haven’t actually watched many games this season on ifollow but I thoroughly enjoyed the match yesterday. Two good sides battling away in a decent stadium with a great atmosphere. I think all in all, a draw was a fair result although you’ve got to be disappointed to throw away a two goal lead.

KMc will have learnt a lot from that, maybe more than if we’d pulled off the win. Observations from me:

- Jackson can do a tactical job and had a great game.
- Don’t give away free kicks in the final third - particularly when Bannon’s on the field
- the team look good, well drilled and neat and tidy but once they’d scored Wednesday put us under serious pressure and might have even won it at the death
- it was 100% offside
- the ref was beyond terrible

We live on to fight another day, top of the league and undefeated. Personally I think Plymouth and Pompey will offer less

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Post by valleyroad » Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:19 pm

Pains me to say it but i think the second goal is onside.
The ball is played foward and striker moves forward but when its played he is behind the ball.

Anyway Ipswich look the real deal this season and have every chance of top 2 place.

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Post by Tangfastic » Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:56 pm

valleyroad wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:19 pm
Pains me to say it but i think the second goal is onside.
The ball is played foward and striker moves forward but when its played he is behind the ball.

Anyway Ipswich look the real deal this season and have every chance of top 2 place.
Valley, ive watched it a few times and every time tried to take my blue-tinted specs off - but every time I think its clearly offside. Doesn't matter , it still counts and we shouldn't have let them put a cross in.

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Post by valleyroad » Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:45 pm

Tangfastic wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:56 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:19 pm
Pains me to say it but i think the second goal is onside.
The ball is played foward and striker moves forward but when its played he is behind the ball.

Anyway Ipswich look the real deal this season and have every chance of top 2 place.
Valley, ive watched it a few times and every time tried to take my blue-tinted specs off - but every time I think its clearly offside. Doesn't matter , it still counts and we shouldn't have let them put a cross in.
Just shows how hard it is when you get one look, we have looked multiple times and disagree 😁
I agree that it counts and need to stop the cross. Thing is next match Town could be on the other side of this kind of decision
As an ex ref i hated running the line much preferred in the middle !!

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Post by BlueBalls » Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:05 pm

Definitely ON side by the rules of the game as stated by Valleyroad.

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-go ... ---offside

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Post by MasseyFerguson » Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:32 pm

valleyroad wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:45 pm
Tangfastic wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:56 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:19 pm
Pains me to say it but i think the second goal is onside.
The ball is played foward and striker moves forward but when its played he is behind the ball.

Anyway Ipswich look the real deal this season and have every chance of top 2 place.
Valley, ive watched it a few times and every time tried to take my blue-tinted specs off - but every time I think its clearly offside. Doesn't matter , it still counts and we shouldn't have let them put a cross in.
Just shows how hard it is when you get one look, we have looked multiple times and disagree 😁
I agree that it counts and need to stop the cross. Thing is next match Town could be on the other side of this kind of decision
As an ex ref i hated running the line much preferred in the middle !!
I watched the highlights again and freeze framed at the point where the cross was made. I have to say that it is very, very tight. In the moment, it looked yards offside. It's the sort of decision that would normally be flagged, because Smith's momentum had him ahead of the last defender almost immediately. On balance, and I hate say it, I think Smith was just on.

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Post by Steve » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:57 pm

Who seriously believe that second goal was on-side? Seriously, come on. The goal would of been struck off if VAR was used

On another note, looks like Sheffield Wednesday will be investigated over the objects thrown onto field of play.

Really feel the officials fell short and reacted from intimidation from the crowed. The crowed were hostile and even turning onto their own manager and players. Like was said before the game the officials really needed to be hardened and experienced, maybe the powers will look at how they appoint officials for so called big games.


We didn't lose and we showed that in the main we can more than just compete with the likes of Wednesday

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Post by number 9 » Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:49 pm

I’m hearing J Vardy may be on his way to Wednesday

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Post by Charnwood » Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:45 pm

number 9 wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:49 pm
I’m hearing J Vardy may be on his way to Wednesday
That would be a strange move given he only signed a new contract until 2024 less than than 4 weeks ago when Manchester United we’re sniffing around as a short term fix for their goal drought.

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Post by Charnwood » Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:50 pm

Steve wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:57 pm
Who seriously believe that second goal was on-side? Seriously, come on. The goal would of been struck off if VAR was used

On another note, looks like Sheffield Wednesday will be investigated over the objects thrown onto field of play.

Really feel the officials fell short and reacted from intimidation from the crowed. The crowed were hostile and even turning onto their own manager and players. Like was said before the game the officials really needed to be hardened and experienced, maybe the powers will look at how they appoint officials for so called big games.


We didn't lose and we showed that in the main we can more than just compete with the likes of Wednesday
100% offside for me. That’s how I saw it live and that’s how I see it now. We were definitely deprived of 2 extra points by poor officials.

I know officials need to get experience in bigger games, but League 1 has a few exceptionally big games with huge partisan crowds that lower league referees would not have any experience of officiating at. These games will most likely only involve teams like Town, Derby, Pompey and Sheff Wed so are few and far between and should in my opinion have officials appointed with Championship larger crowd experience.

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Post by valleyroad » Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:00 pm

Bluemike wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:41 pm
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Changed my mind its offside. Thats a better freeze frame than i could get 😁
You can see it from the cut of the grass.

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Post by Charnwood » Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:05 pm

valleyroad wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:00 pm
Bluemike wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:41 pm
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Changed my mind its offside. Thats a better freeze frame than i could get 😁
You can see it from the cut of the grass.
That’s the same pic I saw on ITFC’s Facebook page on Saturday evening and the one which made my mind up 100%. When it’s that clear cut officials really shouldn’t be getting it wrong especially when there are no other players in the linesman’s line of sight.

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Post by number 9 » Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:18 pm

Charnwood wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:45 pm
number 9 wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:49 pm
I’m hearing J Vardy may be on his way to Wednesday
That would be a strange move given he only signed a new contract until 2024 less than than 4 weeks ago when Manchester United we’re sniffing around as a short term fix for their goal drought.
He’s from that area I believe. Let’s face it, Leicester are going down. Brendan will probably end up being WH manager when Moyes gets fired. Vardy is getting older. No way will Ten Hag sign a washed up striker.
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Post by number 9 » Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:20 pm

Would you please stop on the offside! Game over who cares!

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Post by valleyroad » Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:24 pm

Charnwood wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:05 pm
valleyroad wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:00 pm
Bluemike wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:41 pm
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Changed my mind its offside. Thats a better freeze frame than i could get 😁
You can see it from the cut of the grass.
That’s the same pic I saw on ITFC’s Facebook page on Saturday evening and the one which made my mind up 100%. When it’s that clear cut officials really shouldn’t be getting it wrong especially when there are no other players in the linesman’s line of sight.
Believe me that is as difficult a decision as you will get on the line. It happens unbelievably fast especially at top level. I'd say linesman has given benefit of doubt to attacking team. The blink of an eye can change your view.
The other thing is you need to line it correctly but on that pic for me he is off
Here's hoping that Town are on the right side of one of those when it really counts.

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Post by Steve » Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:57 pm

Valley.. I get what you say and fact is its done, time to move on but, however. That's a clear offside as likely to get. Its not even close. Clear daylight between the attackers and defensive players. Yes they have a hard job but they choose to do it. The offside is not even close, as been mentioned no players in eyesight. Officials should be getting those ones right.

For life of me I cannot see any reason why that was not given offside. If the assistant was not up with play then why wasn't he?

Anyway. Still top of the league and in much better place than were last season

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Post by rossi » Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:59 am

I'm not 100% convinced it was offside, as the camera angle makes it really difficult for my eyes to judge, and it's got nothing to do with the cut of the grass as the camera angle will distort that too.

But it's interesting - many are saying we've now been robbed of 4 points so far this season due to poor decisions. Isn't that what VAR is for? To decide on mistakes? And yet many on this board are dead against VAR. Well, you can't have it both ways. Either introduce VAR and reduce the number of poor decisions (assuming that VAR is operated correctly), or accept that most officials are crap and that mistakes and poor decisions will inevitably be made.

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