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Bluemike wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:34 am

Don't play Woolfenden or Edmundson, problem solved.

Bluemike wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:19 am

Then McKenna is a prat

Bluemike wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:04 am

Keogh was ropey last night but playing beside that tosser I'm not surprised.

Shed, no I don't see him dropping Woolfenden either

Bluemike wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:43 am

He seems to think Woolfy is the answer, he isn't!! We need to stop looking at strikers and review our defensive options, Burgess is ok and by and large Keogh as back up, but my god the other Two !!!!! Its every bloody week we have this discussion, the excuses are getting as bad as the days of Freddie Sears!!!

Tangfastic wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:25 pm

Bluemike wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:43 am

He seems to think Woolfy is the answer, he isn't!! We need to stop looking at strikers and review our defensive options, Burgess is ok and by and large Keogh as back up, but my god the other Two !!!!! Its every bloody week we have this discussion, the excuses are getting as bad as the days of Freddie Sears!!!

Surely out of these cb's we should have a better defence. Maybe its the style of play or the coaching? Edmundson looked our best defender under Cook. Absolutely crap last night and seems to be trying to prove he's a ball-playing CB. Think we need to improve on what we have rather than buy more replacements. Isnt that prat supposed to be a good coach?
Defence obviously needs to improve but offensively we looked a bit toothless and a bit samey ie trying to work the flanks and cross into a crowded box.

marko69 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 23, 2022 1:07 pm

Yes, that Charlton game buries my theory.

Tell you what though....... Second top for a team of useless fkrs, ... Can't complain.

Burgess is getting a lot of deserved praise for his performances this season, the stats back this up;

Of the 5 league games he has started in this season, we have conceded just a single goal.
As a further note of interest when he & Wolfie have started as the CB pairing (league games) they have an immaculate record of 4 played 0 conceded. The only blot on the record came in his first start when paired with Edmundsen away at Forest Green. Certainly paints a pretty obvious picture for me.
For the record those games were;
FGR (a) 1-2
Shrewsbury (a) 0-3
Accrington (a) 0-2
Bristol R (h) 2-0
Exeter (a) 0-2

Edit: Just think the difference he could have made if not for his enforced lay off through injury? I think it is, based on the above stats, highly likely we'd be in top spot now

AzzurroMark wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:11 pm

In my view, while I acknowledge Wolfie has mistakes in him, I feel it is getting the correct combination of defenders which is important. I think Giorgio Chiellini would have struggled playing alongside an error strewn defender. There you are wanting to give 100% to your team in your position, but you're constantly having to consider covering for your CB colleague.
Personally I have my reservations about Edmundson's ability to bring the ball out from the back. The Plymouth game in particular he made a howler while attempting it, costing us a deserved draw.

I have pasted my post from the Exeter thread, which examined the League games in which Burgess has started. While only a very small number of games, it certainly made me think;

Burgess is getting a lot of deserved praise for his performances this season, the stats back this up;

Of the 5 league games he has started in this season, we have conceded just a single goal.
As a further note of interest when he & Wolfie have started as the CB pairing (league games) they have an immaculate record of 4 played 0 conceded. The only blot on the record came in his first start when paired with Edmundsen away at Forest Green. Certainly paints a pretty obvious picture for me.
For the record those games were;
FGR (a) 1-2
Shrewsbury (a) 0-3
Accrington (a) 0-2
Bristol R (h) 2-0
Exeter (a) 0-2

Edit: Just think the difference he could have made if not for his enforced lay off through injury? I think it is, based on the above stats, highly likely we'd be in top spot now

Yes, you could say most of those teams are not particularly high scoring sides, however they do tend to be teams which rely on the aerial bombardment, somewhere Burgess does excel.

number 9 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:51 pm

AzzurroMark wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:11 pm

In my view, while I acknowledge Wolfie has mistakes in him, I feel it is getting the correct combination of defenders which is important. I think Giorgio Chiellini would have struggled playing alongside an error strewn defender. There you are wanting to give 100% to your team in your position, but you're constantly having to consider covering for your CB colleague.
Personally I have my reservations about Edmundson's ability to bring the ball out from the back. The Plymouth game in particular he made a howler while attempting it, costing us a deserved draw.

I have pasted my post from the Exeter thread, which examined the League games in which Burgess has started. While only a very small number of games, it certainly made me think;

Burgess is getting a lot of deserved praise for his performances this season, the stats back this up;

Of the 5 league games he has started in this season, we have conceded just a single goal.
As a further note of interest when he & Wolfie have started as the CB pairing (league games) they have an immaculate record of 4 played 0 conceded. The only blot on the record came in his first start when paired with Edmundsen away at Forest Green. Certainly paints a pretty obvious picture for me.
For the record those games were;
FGR (a) 1-2
Shrewsbury (a) 0-3
Accrington (a) 0-2
Bristol R (h) 2-0
Exeter (a) 0-2

Edit: Just think the difference he could have made if not for his enforced lay off through injury? I think it is, based on the above stats, highly likely we'd be in top spot now

Yes, you could say most of those teams are not particularly high scoring sides, however they do tend to be teams which rely on the aerial bombardment, somewhere Burgess does excel.

Don't forget though AZ, Burgess didn't start out well for ITFC did he? In fact, many on here chastised him as being crap. I always felt he'd do well in this league for his height and athleticism alone. So maybe KM HAS been coaching the back line, and Edmundson just can't handle the added task of playing the ball out of the back? Woolfy still makes mistakes, but my goodness he's improved under KM hasn't he? We still have a super GA and many cleansheets to boot, so I wouldn't tweak the defence too much. Certainly another CB won't hurt, but another striker won't hurt either. In all honesty, I think KM will mainly be on the hunt for midfield reinforcements after Harness' injury.

marko69 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:09 pm

^^^

I certainly don’t take them.

Get it? Take a fence? ……. (Offence)

number 9 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:22 pm

marko69 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:09 pm

^^^

I certainly don’t take them.

Get it? Take a fence? ……. (Offence)

Well the one thing I find amusing is how negative Rossi is. I mean, as far as I know from recent posts he’s retired in the Philippines. He’s probably paying 20 quid a week for a live in maid, who also does other things for a 10 quid bonus. Yep, he’s just trying to find something bad to imagine just to reinforce his affluent life after slaving away for his entire life. ITFC for him is a way to shake him in to reality. That’s ok though, more power to ya Rossi!

rossi wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:36 am

If you're going to make cheap jibes at me, at least get your facts right pal.

Firstly, I don't retire to the Philippines until next year.

Secondly, the remark that I'm 'probably paying 20 quid a week for a live in maid, who also does other things for a 10 quid bonus' (sic) I find insulting beyond belief. You don't know me at all - keep your mouth shut if all you can do is spout complete drivel. For the record, yes I do have a live-in maid in the Philippines, she looks after my properties whilst I'm in England and lives a comfortable life where she would otherwise be living in a crowded slum, I pay her considerably more than £20 for her services which in no way ever go beyond normal housekeeping (my wife would never allow it). In fact, I treat her as one of the family and I find the suggestion by yourself that I would ever exploit a vulnerable person to be totally crasse.

You think I'm negative, that's fine - but don't ever cast aspersions on my character when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about

number 9 wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:46 pm

rossi wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:36 am

If you're going to make cheap jibes at me, at least get your facts right pal.

Firstly, I don't retire to the Philippines until next year.

Secondly, the remark that I'm 'probably paying 20 quid a week for a live in maid, who also does other things for a 10 quid bonus' (sic) I find insulting beyond belief. You don't know me at all - keep your mouth shut if all you can do is spout complete drivel. For the record, yes I do have a live-in maid in the Philippines, she looks after my properties whilst I'm in England and lives a comfortable life where she would otherwise be living in a crowded slum, I pay her considerably more than £20 for her services which in no way ever go beyond normal housekeeping (my wife would never allow it). In fact, I treat her as one of the family and I find the suggestion by yourself that I would ever exploit a vulnerable person to be totally crasse.

You think I'm negative, that's fine - but don't ever cast aspersions on my character when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about

You are completely right, Rossi. My comments were ignorant and insensitive. I wholeheartedly apologize. You’re right, I don’t know who you are, and you don’t know who I am. Consequently, I’m not one to ignore my mistakes and those comments were well out of order.