Re: New manager
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:40 pm
Exactly, it's been dire with much better resources and players than those flops had.
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Nope he isn't the best since mid 2000s. That is Mick McCarthy who if he took Ipswich Town over in League One would have them up in a season, no ifs or buts.arana peligrosa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:14 amYou can't suggest the idea that McKenna is unfit to manage the team. All right he irritates the absolute hell out of some (or many) with constant intransigent team selection/s that seem to only serve to hold us back and maybe he doesn't speak out as much as some would require, but fact of the matter being he's (been) the arguable best here going back to the mid-2000's, I mean, on a clear plateau above names such as Jewell, Keane, Lambert, Hurst etc (all right the latter isn't really much of a contest) but point being I think we've thus far had one of the most exciting and promising seasons in many a year.
A good Cup run just passed, held out well over two games against a top opposition, and on the verge of a promotion bid in the league, some what 4 games defeated out of 30, trying to say I can't quite advocate for the managers departure. He's not going to be fired is he, not a damn chance, so that only leaves walking away or accepting a position elsewhere. Which incidentally won't occur with what remains of this season.
Give it 5 games maybe. McKenna will field the same goddamn line-up/s, that much can't be doubted, but if the team were to rack up continuous non-victories / poor performance with it, then would feel more inclined to allow McKenna to seek employment elsewhere. Right now and at this moment, poor score today or otherwise, just feel he's done far more good than harm to the club name to actively pursue or encourage a campaign or idea to see the name replaced.
Sorry, but in my opinion that is complete bollocks. McCarthy would have spent the money on a bunch 37 year olds, played for a draw against Forest Green on the weeked and they'd finish in about 9th, with the tightest defence of course, but as Mike says, an average home attendance of about 7000! And it wouldn't be his fault.valleyroad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:08 pmNope he isn't the best since mid 2000s. That is Mick McCarthy who if he took Ipswich Town over in League One would have them up in a season, no ifs or buts.
With the backing of the current owners he'd also have the ability to get them to the Premiership.
Never realised he was at Blackpool. Bet he keeps them upRicco wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:17 pmSorry, but in my opinion that is complete bollocks. McCarthy would have spent the money on a bunch 37 year olds, played for a draw against Forest Green on the weeked and they'd finish in about 9th, with the tightest defence of course, but as Mike says, an average home attendance of about 7000! And it wouldn't be his fault.valleyroad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:08 pmNope he isn't the best since mid 2000s. That is Mick McCarthy who if he took Ipswich Town over in League One would have them up in a season, no ifs or buts.
With the backing of the current owners he'd also have the ability to get them to the Premiership.
The bloke's an arrogant waster, if he were that good he'd be in the Prem somewhere, not in some 1960s seaside hell hole with no wins from 5.
To be fair, if there is one thing he's good at, it's scrapping about for draws, which might be enough to keep them up! But I'll stand by opinion, I'll buy you a few pints if he keeps them up!!valleyroad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:25 pmNever realised he was at Blackpool. Bet he keeps them upRicco wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:17 pmSorry, but in my opinion that is complete bollocks. McCarthy would have spent the money on a bunch 37 year olds, played for a draw against Forest Green on the weeked and they'd finish in about 9th, with the tightest defence of course, but as Mike says, an average home attendance of about 7000! And it wouldn't be his fault.valleyroad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:08 pmNope he isn't the best since mid 2000s. That is Mick McCarthy who if he took Ipswich Town over in League One would have them up in a season, no ifs or buts.
With the backing of the current owners he'd also have the ability to get them to the Premiership.
The bloke's an arrogant waster, if he were that good he'd be in the Prem somewhere, not in some 1960s seaside hell hole with no wins from 5.
Btw i think its great that you think my opinion is complete bollocks.Ricco wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:31 pmTo be fair, if there is one thing he's good at, it's scrapping about for draws, which might be enough to keep them up! But I'll stand by opinion, I'll buy you a few pints if he keeps them up!!valleyroad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:25 pmNever realised he was at Blackpool. Bet he keeps them upRicco wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:17 pm
Sorry, but in my opinion that is complete bollocks. McCarthy would have spent the money on a bunch 37 year olds, played for a draw against Forest Green on the weeked and they'd finish in about 9th, with the tightest defence of course, but as Mike says, an average home attendance of about 7000! And it wouldn't be his fault.
The bloke's an arrogant waster, if he were that good he'd be in the Prem somewhere, not in some 1960s seaside hell hole with no wins from 5.
Glad to hear, I'm sure it's fairly obvious that you'd think the same of minevalleyroad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:51 pmBtw i think its great that you think my opinion is complete bollocks.Ricco wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:31 pmTo be fair, if there is one thing he's good at, it's scrapping about for draws, which might be enough to keep them up! But I'll stand by opinion, I'll buy you a few pints if he keeps them up!!valleyroad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:25 pm
Never realised he was at Blackpool. Bet he keeps them up
One more voice in agreement here.barmy billy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:18 amI agree totally. It would be folly to dispense with his services now. Things certainly need to change, but McK has not been wijth us long & should be allowed more time.marko69 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:48 amYep. Firmly my view.Charnwood wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:58 amI think this post on another Town forum is spot on.
I actually feel really sorry for McKenna. Genuinely do believe he’s a really talented coach and has all the ability to go far in the game, but he’s struggling big time right now.
In the circumstances I think back to what the Cobbolds would have done and how they stuck with a young, inexperienced manager in Bobby Robson, who suffered four years of mediocrity before he finally got it right.
I know there are some fans who think we ought to act now and get an experienced manager in, but I’m not one. There comes a time when you need to trust the process and remember why he was hired in the first place - it wasn’t his experience!
I believe in McKenna. He’s got a lot to learn, but let’s get behind him and let him learn it here because if we don’t, I’m convinced he’ll be remembered as “the one that got away”.
And firmly my view that some players need their arse kicked.
Thing is there’s not much managerial skill in sticking 11 men in and around your own penalty box and parking the bus, and being happy with a point (at home!!)…. Watching that every Saturday near drove me to chucking in my season ticket after 5/6 years of the same boring tactics.valleyroad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:25 pmNever realised he was at Blackpool. Bet he keeps them upRicco wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:17 pmSorry, but in my opinion that is complete bollocks. McCarthy would have spent the money on a bunch 37 year olds, played for a draw against Forest Green on the weeked and they'd finish in about 9th, with the tightest defence of course, but as Mike says, an average home attendance of about 7000! And it wouldn't be his fault.valleyroad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:08 pmNope he isn't the best since mid 2000s. That is Mick McCarthy who if he took Ipswich Town over in League One would have them up in a season, no ifs or buts.
With the backing of the current owners he'd also have the ability to get them to the Premiership.
The bloke's an arrogant waster, if he were that good he'd be in the Prem somewhere, not in some 1960s seaside hell hole with no wins from 5.
I think Carrick’s style of play at Boro is almost the same as McKenna’s, the difference is Boro are competing at a different level which is another good reason to stick with Kieron rather than look for a short term “get us out of here” replacement with no longevity.valleyroad wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:20 amFar too soon to be looking to bin McKenna. With Man Unt background looks like Carrick would have been a better horse to back
So.... we're stuck. We've got a manager whos too good for us and this league and he'll be perfect for the levels above..... except he's very mediocre in this league and can't get us out of it.Charnwood wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:55 amI think Carrick’s style of play at Boro is almost the same as McKenna’s, the difference is Boro are competing at a different level which is another good reason to stick with Kieron rather than look for a short term “get us out of here” replacement with no longevity.valleyroad wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:20 amFar too soon to be looking to bin McKenna. With Man Unt background looks like Carrick would have been a better horse to back
I don’t think we’re stuck at all. I have enough confidence McKenna will have learned enough this season to get us promoted next season if it doesn’t happen this time. That said I’ve not given up this season yet as there’s no reason why this team shouldn’t find it’s early season form and go on a decent run at the back end of the season hitting the play offs on a high. McKenna has a contract until the end of 2024/25 which I quite expect to be fulfilled. In my opinion it would be a huge risk to replace him with someone who has to achieve 1st or 2nd place to be better.Tangfastic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:02 amSo.... we're stuck. We've got a manager whos too good for us and this league and he'll be perfect for the levels above..... except he's very mediocre in this league and can't get us out of it.Charnwood wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:55 amI think Carrick’s style of play at Boro is almost the same as McKenna’s, the difference is Boro are competing at a different level which is another good reason to stick with Kieron rather than look for a short term “get us out of here” replacement with no longevity.valleyroad wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:20 amFar too soon to be looking to bin McKenna. With Man Unt background looks like Carrick would have been a better horse to back
Maybe we need to improve the quality of this league first until its good enough for us to compete properly. We don't half make things complicated for ourselves. Just get out of this league first before we worry about the league above. Pensioners cant wait long enough fot longevity planning.
True Cabanas.Cabanas Blue wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:14 pmA certain Team called Arsenal were 8 points clear of Man City and a very poor Man U were way behind just look at them both now, still time were not out of it yet.
Liz, So you wouldn't swap your current position back to those days of the play off position he got you to when all he was asked to do is keep you in the championship ?. who were the journey men you talk about, I thought they were on loan to help save your club by MM and Clipboard,hallamblue wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:41 pmThing is there’s not much managerial skill in sticking 11 men in and around your own penalty box and parking the bus, and being happy with a point (at home!!)…. Watching that every Saturday near drove me to chucking in my season ticket after 5/6 years of the same boring tactics.valleyroad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:25 pmNever realised he was at Blackpool. Bet he keeps them upRicco wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:17 pm
Sorry, but in my opinion that is complete bollocks. McCarthy would have spent the money on a bunch 37 year olds, played for a draw against Forest Green on the weeked and they'd finish in about 9th, with the tightest defence of course, but as Mike says, an average home attendance of about 7000! And it wouldn't be his fault.
The bloke's an arrogant waster, if he were that good he'd be in the Prem somewhere, not in some 1960s seaside hell hole with no wins from 5.
I think there’s a misconception that McCarthy had no funding . He did. He just chose to bring in freebie journeymen on high wages ( that’s were the money went) most of them couldn’t give a flying one “ for the badge”, happy to take their last big pay cheque.
Our current squad appear different, in that they all appear invested in what the club are trying to do. The manager is trying to play the game the right way . It’s not quite there yet , and I’d say it’s not ideal playing total football in s division that requires some brawn, physicality and say gamesmanship. Would McCarthys “ real blokes” be better suited to league one? Probably , but not the championship.
Reality doesn't seem to do well when MM is mentioned. Since the man left the club has dropped like a stone.goldandblack wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:56 pmLiz, So you wouldn't swap your current position back to those days of the play off position he got you to when all he was asked to do is keep you in the championship ?. who were the journey men you talk about, I thought they were on loan to help save your club by MM and Clipboard,hallamblue wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:41 pmThing is there’s not much managerial skill in sticking 11 men in and around your own penalty box and parking the bus, and being happy with a point (at home!!)…. Watching that every Saturday near drove me to chucking in my season ticket after 5/6 years of the same boring tactics.valleyroad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:25 pm
Never realised he was at Blackpool. Bet he keeps them up
I think there’s a misconception that McCarthy had no funding . He did. He just chose to bring in freebie journeymen on high wages ( that’s were the money went) most of them couldn’t give a flying one “ for the badge”, happy to take their last big pay cheque.
Our current squad appear different, in that they all appear invested in what the club are trying to do. The manager is trying to play the game the right way . It’s not quite there yet , and I’d say it’s not ideal playing total football in s division that requires some brawn, physicality and say gamesmanship. Would McCarthys “ real blokes” be better suited to league one? Probably , but not the championship.
you had some quality players at your club under them.
Ipswich Town: the ÂŁ10,000 team pushing for the Premier League
Having spent only ÂŁ10,000 on his squad, it is remarkable that McCarthy has established a competitive force at Portman Road
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Word is that ÂŁ10,000 was barely enough to get Linda Evangelista out of bed let alone create a team that can challenge for promotion and a place in the Premier League, but that sum is all Mick McCarthy has spent on transfers at Ipswich over the past few seasons.
The think that disappoints me is the lack of respect for the man and the abuse he recieves for the job he did. He is trashed as arrogant. From what i can see he was liked and regarded at every level of the club all the way down to tea lady.goldandblack wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:14 pmFans are fickle at every club.Valleyroad
he put together one of the most entertaining teams I've seen at the Wolves in years with pennies compared to others,
Won the Championship, kept us in the Premier for 3 seasons on a shoestring, then the usual " I want it all now brigade" started on him and was sacked.
within a season we were where you are now, , fans are fickle aye ( not saying you are Liz although your heading that way LOL )
If I remember correctly I supported him until the end and didn't want him gone until he made his position untenable by confronting fans. Don't even blame him for that either, I'd reach the end of my tether at some, likely sooner!!valleyroad wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:13 pmThe think that disappoints me is the lack of respect for the man and the abuse he recieves for the job he did. He is trashed as arrogant. From what i can see he was liked and regarded at every level of the club all the way down to tea lady.goldandblack wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:14 pmFans are fickle at every club.Valleyroad
he put together one of the most entertaining teams I've seen at the Wolves in years with pennies compared to others,
Won the Championship, kept us in the Premier for 3 seasons on a shoestring, then the usual " I want it all now brigade" started on him and was sacked.
within a season we were where you are now, , fans are fickle aye ( not saying you are Liz although your heading that way LOL )
Its hardly a surprise he reacted as he did in the end. Guess its a wider point on todays society
Ricco wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 7:28 pmIf I remember correctly I supported him until the end and didn't want him gone until he made his position untenable by confronting fans. Don't even blame him for that either, I'd reach the end of my tether at some, likely sooner!!valleyroad wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:13 pmThe think that disappoints me is the lack of respect for the man and the abuse he recieves for the job he did. He is trashed as arrogant. From what i can see he was liked and regarded at every level of the club all the way down to tea lady.goldandblack wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:14 pmFans are fickle at every club.Valleyroad
he put together one of the most entertaining teams I've seen at the Wolves in years with pennies compared to others,
Won the Championship, kept us in the Premier for 3 seasons on a shoestring, then the usual " I want it all now brigade" started on him and was sacked.
within a season we were where you are now, , fans are fickle aye ( not saying you are Liz although your heading that way LOL )
Its hardly a surprise he reacted as he did in the end. Guess its a wider point on todays society
I've even positively remarked on his abilities as a manager, many times since. It was part of my issue with it all, his ability to get results with a crap team hid the fact the team was so crap! That's why I think his tenure was so damaging, because it allowed the woeful owner to get away we destroying the club for too long for it to recover and stay in the second division.
I will happily however trash him as arrogant. He see's himself as a managing god and his actions at other positions and his comments towards Town since have been incredibly distasteful
As will I towards George Burley, but he was an effing disaster everywhere he went afterwards And those fans are entitled to criticise the hell out of him, even if it would sadden me somewhat to see. That's football. MM and GB know that.goldandblack wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 7:46 pmRicco wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 7:28 pmIf I remember correctly I supported him until the end and didn't want him gone until he made his position untenable by confronting fans. Don't even blame him for that either, I'd reach the end of my tether at some, likely sooner!!valleyroad wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:13 pm
The think that disappoints me is the lack of respect for the man and the abuse he recieves for the job he did. He is trashed as arrogant. From what i can see he was liked and regarded at every level of the club all the way down to tea lady.
Its hardly a surprise he reacted as he did in the end. Guess its a wider point on todays society
I've even positively remarked on his abilities as a manager, many times since. It was part of my issue with it all, his ability to get results with a crap team hid the fact the team was so crap! That's why I think his tenure was so damaging, because it allowed the woeful owner to get away we destroying the club for too long for it to recover and stay in the second division.
I will happily however trash him as arrogant. He see's himself as a managing god and his actions at other positions and his comments towards Town since have been incredibly distasteful
its more to do with him coming from Yorkshire than just being arrogant Ricco, "Say and do what they believe is right" not a bad thing to live by, and in the case of ALL football fans, " Give as good as you take" that thug Roy Keane got on the end of Micks beliefs and lost,
One of my best friends from Barnsley knew MM from his playing days their and said he was always straight to the point and not one to back down, but as honest as the day is long.
I will forever be thankful for what he did for us,
No he wasn’t. Was played 11, won 11 when he walked out on Hearts. Because Romanov wanted to be part of the match day squad choosing! Narcissistic tw@t loved the headlines GB was getting so he wanted some of the action.