Premier League - West Ham United vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

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5th draw in a row?

West Ham Win
5
28%
Ipswich Win
5
28%
Draw
8
44%
 
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Post by Ricco » Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:50 pm

Absolutely, I don't know who I would start out of the two of them on the right, which is great and fine, because the other could come on after an hour and cause issues.

Last season Burns was prefered and Hutchinson started more games from the bench than in the team. Are a couple of quality goals against Hull and a £20m pricetag affecting McKennas view of him as a player?

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Post by ITFC2024 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:05 pm

Yeah I think that has a lot to do with it. I’m sure MA and the ownership have given KM free reign on what he wants to do, but I also think KM is reluctant to not start Omari. KM is gonna have to grow his balls and make decisions that benefit our survival. I’m sure he will eventually.

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Post by hallamblue » Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:13 pm

My thoughts on this are, Axel is huge loss.

Maybe a few players need ask themselves if want to be bit part a Prem club, with great manager and set up or move to a championship club with average manager and set up and be a billy big bollox in a smaller pond??

Enough said.

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Post by Charnwood » Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:32 pm

I think what we have to realise Liz is that most of our players wouldn’t get a place in the starting line up of the majority of Premier League clubs, in fact I can’t think of a single player who would get a start in any club in the top half of the table which means we’re dependent on McKenna getting them to over perform as a team just as we did last year in the Championship. With so many new faces at the club we’re probably still a few games away from achieving that so in the meantime we just have to hang on in there and try to do night to hang onto 17th place. Hopefully we have enough in the locker to do this.

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Post by AzzurroMark » Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:55 pm

I guess it depends on what KM is looking for in a player!
Hutchinson has the highest Pass Completion percentage of all of our forward line (taken from official ITFC website). at 81%. Players who can help retain possession for the team must surely be important in such a high quality league?
Yes Delap has the worst percentage at 55%, but he's the man who should be (and is) sticking them in the net, not completing passes. Besides his shooting accuracy of 7 out of 9 on target gives him a lofty 78% accuracy.
Somewhere in the middle of this comes Szmodic. On reputation from last season, you're looking at a fairly decent goals return in the top flight (and I believe over the course of the season we will see that), however perhaps his 40% shooting accuracy where chances need to be converted is deemed not clinical enough? His pass completion rate is still at 75% for the record.

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Post by hallamblue » Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:02 pm

Reckon we need to rename your Statto :D 👍

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Post by ITFC2024 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:02 pm

Nice work, AZ! I think Ricco has a competitor on the stats. Personally, it’s not to difficult to figure out. Hutch has underperformed and Szmodics needs to be given the chance in the middle. As long as Burns is healthy, he should start on the right. Hutch needs to be benched, don’t worry he’ll be back.

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Post by Bluemike » Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:06 pm

ITFC2024 wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:43 pm
I finally got to watch the whole match. To be honest, I think there’s been a bit of an overreaction. Phiilips was unlucky when his tackle gifted the ball to WH, they still had a lot do after that. Muric was fine in the first 35 mins, good distribution to Davis and he had a presence in the box.

Johnson actually made a few good tackles and I thought he did ok, save for he poor clearance for their third goal. Their second goal was just pure class. The 4th, terrible defending by the whole back line.

We created several scoring chances especially from Burn’s crosses, so I’m still baffled by people’s insistence that Omari plays in that position. Hutch is a 20 mil player he should be able to adapt. Like I said before, he’s struggling with premier league quality players. He’ll figure things out though. You guys really think his form will magically improve substantially if he starts on the right? What happens to Burns then?…our best right winger!

COYB!!

Davis made some brilliant runs on the left, and I think Clarke just had a bad day. He wasn’t useless like some have suggested.

Come on folks, go back and read Mark Ashton’s interview at the beginning of the season. We all need to stick behind the squad and manager because there will be tough times.
I admire the positive spin, can't say I agree with much of it.

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Post by Bluemike » Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:09 pm

With all due respect Azzuro, a lot of the time these stats are irrelevant tbh.

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Post by ITFC2024 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:24 pm

Just one thing to add as far as Muric’s c*ck ups. I don’t know how many of you have played football regularly, but for me it’s always been a cardinal sin to pass the ball out through the center. You always pass to the wings to avoid instant pressure if someone loses the ball. This is basic football and needs to be addressed.

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Post by Charnwood » Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:34 pm

Ricco wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:45 pm
Before I get slaughtered I will say that McKennas has been as good as any manager in the English game over the past couple seasons, but as Mike points out, that doesn't make him immune to criticism and it doesn't mean he gets everything right.

Man City had 14 shots against us, Liverpool I think 16, whereas WH had 23, that's a big drop off in performance levels I feel.

One other thing I would say I'm disappointed in is the subs this year. Last year it felt like a real dangerous wave of fresh legs coming on, now it just feels like some players shoehorned on to finish the minutes because the starters are tired, or even bits of desperation. I don't know how Taylor is getting near the team when he was used probably less frequently last season. I don't know why he has suddenly jumped ahead of Luongo when he was never remotely close to taking his place in the team last year.

And Huthcinson too, he was often a sub last season, but now he can do no wrong, he's McKennas first name on the team sheet, problem being he sneezes every time he writes his name and sticks him in the middle.

There will be ups and downs this season, of course things aren't nearly as bad as they feel after a big loss, but I do hope this is a wakeup call, we cannot be one dimensional this season, this game felt lazy on all fronts.
Isn’t Luongo sidelined with an ankle injury ?

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Post by Cabanas Blue » Tue Oct 08, 2024 6:57 am

Charnwood wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:34 pm
Ricco wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:45 pm
Before I get slaughtered I will say that McKennas has been as good as any manager in the English game over the past couple seasons, but as Mike points out, that doesn't make him immune to criticism and it doesn't mean he gets everything right.

Man City had 14 shots against us, Liverpool I think 16, whereas WH had 23, that's a big drop off in performance levels I feel.

One other thing I would say I'm disappointed in is the subs this year. Last year it felt like a real dangerous wave of fresh legs coming on, now it just feels like some players shoehorned on to finish the minutes because the starters are tired, or even bits of desperation. I don't know how Taylor is getting near the team when he was used probably less frequently last season. I don't know why he has suddenly jumped ahead of Luongo when he was never remotely close to taking his place in the team last year.

And Huthcinson too, he was often a sub last season, but now he can do no wrong, he's McKennas first name on the team sheet, problem being he sneezes every time he writes his name and sticks him in the middle.

There will be ups and downs this season, of course things aren't nearly as bad as they feel after a big loss, but I do hope this is a wakeup call, we cannot be one dimensional this season, this game felt lazy on all fronts.
Isn’t Luongo sidelined with an ankle injury ?
That's news to me I saw a picture of Luongo and Burgess together as they are both in the Australian side for the upcoming internationals.


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Post by Charnwood » Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:49 am

Cabanas Blue wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 6:57 am
Charnwood wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:34 pm
Ricco wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:45 pm
Before I get slaughtered I will say that McKennas has been as good as any manager in the English game over the past couple seasons, but as Mike points out, that doesn't make him immune to criticism and it doesn't mean he gets everything right.

Man City had 14 shots against us, Liverpool I think 16, whereas WH had 23, that's a big drop off in performance levels I feel.

One other thing I would say I'm disappointed in is the subs this year. Last year it felt like a real dangerous wave of fresh legs coming on, now it just feels like some players shoehorned on to finish the minutes because the starters are tired, or even bits of desperation. I don't know how Taylor is getting near the team when he was used probably less frequently last season. I don't know why he has suddenly jumped ahead of Luongo when he was never remotely close to taking his place in the team last year.

And Huthcinson too, he was often a sub last season, but now he can do no wrong, he's McKennas first name on the team sheet, problem being he sneezes every time he writes his name and sticks him in the middle.

There will be ups and downs this season, of course things aren't nearly as bad as they feel after a big loss, but I do hope this is a wakeup call, we cannot be one dimensional this season, this game felt lazy on all fronts.
Isn’t Luongo sidelined with an ankle injury ?
That's news to me I saw a picture of Luongo and Burgess together as they are both in the Australian side for the upcoming internationals.
I think you’ll find he withdrew over the weekend after failing a late fitness test for the West Ham game.

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Post by rossi » Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:33 am

ITFC2024 wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:43 pm
I finally got to watch the whole match. To be honest, I think there’s been a bit of an overreaction. Phiilips was unlucky when his tackle gifted the ball to WH, they still had a lot do after that. Muric was fine in the first 35 mins, good distribution to Davis and he had a presence in the box.

Johnson actually made a few good tackles and I thought he did ok, save for he poor clearance for their third goal. Their second goal was just pure class. The 4th, terrible defending by the whole back line.

We created several scoring chances especially from Burn’s crosses, so I’m still baffled by people’s insistence that Omari plays in that position. Hutch is a 20 mil player he should be able to adapt. Like I said before, he’s struggling with premier league quality players. He’ll figure things out though. You guys really think his form will magically improve substantially if he starts on the right? What happens to Burns then?…our best right winger!

COYB!!

Davis made some brilliant runs on the left, and I think Clarke just had a bad day. He wasn’t useless like some have suggested.

Come on folks, go back and read Mark Ashton’s interview at the beginning of the season. We all need to stick behind the squad and manager because there will be tough times.
If you really think that, then I respectfully suggest that you watch the game again.
Burns did, as you say, put in a couple of good crosses, but.........they were stand-up crosses from a dead ball. Any pro can deliver a decent cross from a dead ball situation.
A right winger takes on and beats opponents before crossing the ball - Burns took on and beat nobody.

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Post by Cabanas Blue » Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:20 am

Charnwood wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:49 am
Cabanas Blue wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 6:57 am
Charnwood wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 11:34 pm


Isn’t Luongo sidelined with an ankle injury ?
That's news to me I saw a picture of Luongo and Burgess together as they are both in the Australian side for the upcoming internationals.
I think you’ll find he withdrew over the weekend after failing a late fitness test for the West Ham game.
I missed that, it's a pity as I'm sure he would have loved some game time.

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Post by hallamblue » Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:21 am

I prefer Omari wide right tbh. He beats his man, commits him and makes things happen. Burns doesnt really do this, and I've seen precious little of it now we're in the PL from Burns, and he doesnt track back very well defensively, whereas Hutch, does. But itll be down to what McKenna wants to do. Big test for the manager to change from what he always wants to do ....

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Post by Mariner67 » Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:07 pm

Well in the championship he often came off the bench & was effective on the right.

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Post by Bluemike » Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:24 pm

Definitely best on the right, he destroyed teams last season, albeit in the Championship.

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Post by rossi » Tue Oct 08, 2024 5:32 pm

Seems as though the ayes to the right have it

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rossi wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:33 am
ITFC2024 wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:43 pm
I finally got to watch the whole match. To be honest, I think there’s been a bit of an overreaction. Phiilips was unlucky when his tackle gifted the ball to WH, they still had a lot do after that. Muric was fine in the first 35 mins, good distribution to Davis and he had a presence in the box.

Johnson actually made a few good tackles and I thought he did ok, save for he poor clearance for their third goal. Their second goal was just pure class. The 4th, terrible defending by the whole back line.

We created several scoring chances especially from Burn’s crosses, so I’m still baffled by people’s insistence that Omari plays in that position. Hutch is a 20 mil player he should be able to adapt. Like I said before, he’s struggling with premier league quality players. He’ll figure things out though. You guys really think his form will magically improve substantially if he starts on the right? What happens to Burns then?…our best right winger!

COYB!!

Davis made some brilliant runs on the left, and I think Clarke just had a bad day. He wasn’t useless like some have suggested.

Come on folks, go back and read Mark Ashton’s interview at the beginning of the season. We all need to stick behind the squad and manager because there will be tough times.
If you really think that, then I respectfully suggest that you watch the game again.
Burns did, as you say, put in a couple of good crosses, but.........they were stand-up crosses from a dead ball. Any pro can deliver a decent cross from a dead ball situation.
A right winger takes on and beats opponents before crossing the ball - Burns took on and beat nobody.
To suggest Burns can’t cross and/or create scoring opportunities is a stretch. You suggested I watch the match again, I suggest you look at highlights from our Championship season. Yes, Hutchinson terrorized defenses when he came on as a sub, and maybe that should be his purpose. I dunno, maybe you’re all right and the minute KM plays Hutch on the right he’ll magically score goals and create scoring opportunities. I hope he does! I’m basing my opinion on what Hutch has done so far in the Prem. Someone mentioned his pass completions percentage. Ok what is his losing possession percentage? I didn’t think Hutch was worth the money we paid for him, but I accepted that’s just a sign of the times. For me he hasn’t earned that price tag yet, but I’m confident he’ll figure it out. Delap on the other hand has proved his worth and then some.

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Post by rossi » Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:25 am

ITFC2024 wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:38 pm
rossi wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:33 am
ITFC2024 wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:43 pm
I finally got to watch the whole match. To be honest, I think there’s been a bit of an overreaction. Phiilips was unlucky when his tackle gifted the ball to WH, they still had a lot do after that. Muric was fine in the first 35 mins, good distribution to Davis and he had a presence in the box.

Johnson actually made a few good tackles and I thought he did ok, save for he poor clearance for their third goal. Their second goal was just pure class. The 4th, terrible defending by the whole back line.

We created several scoring chances especially from Burn’s crosses, so I’m still baffled by people’s insistence that Omari plays in that position. Hutch is a 20 mil player he should be able to adapt. Like I said before, he’s struggling with premier league quality players. He’ll figure things out though. You guys really think his form will magically improve substantially if he starts on the right? What happens to Burns then?…our best right winger!

COYB!!

Davis made some brilliant runs on the left, and I think Clarke just had a bad day. He wasn’t useless like some have suggested.

Come on folks, go back and read Mark Ashton’s interview at the beginning of the season. We all need to stick behind the squad and manager because there will be tough times.
If you really think that, then I respectfully suggest that you watch the game again.
Burns did, as you say, put in a couple of good crosses, but.........they were stand-up crosses from a dead ball. Any pro can deliver a decent cross from a dead ball situation.
A right winger takes on and beats opponents before crossing the ball - Burns took on and beat nobody.
To suggest Burns can’t cross and/or create scoring opportunities is a stretch. You suggested I watch the match again, I suggest you look at highlights from our Championship season. Yes, Hutchinson terrorized defenses when he came on as a sub, and maybe that should be his purpose. I dunno, maybe you’re all right and the minute KM plays Hutch on the right he’ll magically score goals and create scoring opportunities. I hope he does! I’m basing my opinion on what Hutch has done so far in the Prem. Someone mentioned his pass completions percentage. Ok what is his losing possession percentage? I didn’t think Hutch was worth the money we paid for him, but I accepted that’s just a sign of the times. For me he hasn’t earned that price tag yet, but I’m confident he’ll figure it out. Delap on the other hand has proved his worth and then some.
Yes, but there's a world of difference between the PL and the Championship - what any of our players did last season is history and in no way relevant to this season. Some players are making their first forages into the PL, others failed at the PL early on in their careers and will probably fail again now.

Thus far this season, we've used a combination of Ogbennie and Burns down the right - how many times have we see a dribble down the right taking on and beating one or two players and then putting a meaningful cross that doesn't hit the first defender? Not once as far as I can remember. That needs to change.

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Post by hallamblue » Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:17 am

100% agree with this ^^

And the thing is McKenna maybe a relative rooky, but daft, he isn't. He will know where we are falling short and there is no room for old pals act or sympathy.

The Club has to, and will, move and progress. There's FAR too much investment gone into it over the last 3 years to allow it to fail because of affections for the original players recruited when we were a League One outfit, that can't make that step up. Players have already left the club either for good or on loan. Thise thdt are still here but not mskingbthe team / squad are quite likely to follow in the coming windows. I'm expecting that anyway.

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Post by ashfordblue » Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:15 pm

Liz these are the players we must move on or loan out as they won't cut it in the PL Luongo, Johnson, Chaplin, Townsend, and Burns is not the player he was last season, I still like Burgess as he's a good steady defender and I think he's better than O'Shea, I think Hirst, Broadhead, need more time to adjust as they have been out injured Taylor, Woolfie, are ok but Muric needs to be more consistent form-wise and stop making stupid mistakes otherwise he will be dropped and Walton will get his chance, but saying this I still think we need a better PL keeper Muric is an accident waiting to happen which unnerves the defence, where we are weakest is LB Davis needs a better back up WB like Ben Chilwell, I still recon that we have far too many players in our 1st team squad 26 and it should be cut down players need playing time not 10 to 20 minutes off the bench I know this is the modern trend now but it must be frustrating for unpicked players wanting game time after training hard all week, and I still assume that KM will want more players coming in to steady the ship for a mid table finish.

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Post by hallamblue » Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:41 pm

I think there could well be one or two exits in January , but only in order to free up squad space for players coming in. Most changes will happen in the summer I think, ( which players will depend on which division we are in next season)

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