Premier League - Crystal Palace vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

[marko69]

The word “process” was only ever used in the context of ITFC as a whole, building again from the ruins & shyte-pile left after Mevans…… and used by Mark Ashton.

Can anyone, (not just you Hallam) put something on this site in relation to Kieron McKenna referring to “picking the team” as a process.
Because i missed that memo.

McKenna has used that phrase several times in post match interviews when justifying the performances/ results marko.

, i need to go try and seek that out when more time available. Because it makes no sense.
What process? There cant be a process. Things evolve as and when things happen.

[hallamblue]

Don't understand a word of that I'm afraid marko .

[marko69]

Don't understand a word of that I'm afraid marko .

Yes, i edited it. He COULDNT perform

[Bluemike]

What we do have to remember though Liz is even in the championship last season Hirst made 26 appearances and scored only 7 goals, that's hardly prolific at a far lower level.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

ANYWAY........, Wolves smash the Toffees, 8pt gap...., curtains......, back to the Champ....., back to WINNING! Everyone happy.

ask Luton what happens when you get relegated from the PL.
Nothing in life is guaranteed

You’re negative though. Your natural “go to” is Luton.

I’ll say Burnley or The Blades. Have more faith in your club.

Jaysus H

It's hardly negative - it's merely pointing out that your entirely unfounded speculation that we will be winning next season in the Championship is not true in all cases. Oh, and don't ever tell me what to do, it really pisses me off.

[hallamblue]

I know, but hed had a very big injury which he was coming back from . What I do know is he facilitates other forwards scoring. When he went out of the team I hired, none of the other forwards were thrn scoring. Leading line dies if course mean scoring goals but it's not JUST that, it's about leading the line which to me is bring other players into play. Holding the ball up ( giving your team mates a bit of break in games where we're under the cosh). Hirst has scored some absolute crackers himself, but there's do much more to his game. I think we are really missing that this season. He's hardly played, so even if McKenna decided, shock. Amazement to start Hirst in every game now, he'd only really be up to full running by the time the season ended. He's had no minutes to get into his flow...nor has Szmodics. That's another glaring omission by McKenna. Having chased the player for 2 seasons, he doesn't play him, why??

[hallamblue]

....Anyway, that's it for me now. I'm done with it this season.

We see who's still about next season in the Championship, won't we.

[Frosty]

Really enjoyed the match, thought we played well, just such fine margins at this level. 1-1 would have been a better reflection imo.

Poor decision making by our Delap and Enisco probably cost us a goal.

Watched Philips closely, thought he played well overall.

I disagree with Johnson being played so far forward, never looks comfortable.

Woolfy was my town player of the match

[arana peligrosa]

You'll be back. Anyone can bet their as* on that.

Right off the bat and reading available reports that's a poor result. Seems like a whole lot of huff and puff but once again with no real end product.

Pity is as always we don't necessarily have to be in the position we find ourselves but the manager knows no other way than to set up the team at start of play and brings on substitutes that should be utilized long before they appear. In other words, too late to make a difference.

I've waited - no mustn't be selfish - we've waited 22 years for a return to top level and what is there to show for it. 3 or 4 wins all season heading through March and not even a victory this calendar year. It's not good enough, simple truth. Maybe we're not good enough.

Delap apart what other standout players are there that are of EPL quality or deserve to feature at top level. Not many if you think about it. Can't berate people like Palmer as they've only just been introduced but for most others and in so many words, they've failed. Or simply aren't of the required standard to get results in this league.

Pissed off because we could be lining up a Cup last eight feature but what happened at the end in Nottingham is a flip of the coin thing. Didn't go our way and missed out. Last few weeks of the season could have seen a feasible FA Cup Final and league safety but we're going to miss out of both. That stings.

McKenna just seems too placid at times, win lose or draw there's no real emotion. Doesn't say much in after game interview on any one occasion, the man's almost laconic. I don't want someone at Portman Road who hurls kitchen items around and goes bananas after a setback but the manager we got just simply doesn't evoke any real passion or emotion whatever the result. Maybe he's too soft on the players, doesn't address to them the urgency of the situation or what needs to be done. That's not a crime in itself however someone with a tougher stance may have provided the motivation or need to get the players this season to raise their game or propel our playing staff into doing more.

[marko69]

ask Luton what happens when you get relegated from the PL.
Nothing in life is guaranteed

You’re negative though. Your natural “go to” is Luton.

I’ll say Burnley or The Blades. Have more faith in your club.

Jaysus H

It's hardly negative - it's merely pointing out that your entirely unfounded speculation that we will be winning next season in the Championship is not true in all cases. Oh, and don't ever tell me what to do, it really pisses me off.

Ok, don’t have more faith then. Who the fk cares? Continue being a “Luton”. It’s not as if your “positivity” could ever be f**king missed eh?

[marko69]

Woolfy was my town player of the match

Yep, two games in a row. Really grabbing these chances the gaffer is giving him.

[ashfordblue]

....Anyway, that's it for me now. I'm done with it this season.

We see who's still about next season in the Championship, won't we.

Liz, regarding our situation, battling with relegation, and it looks certain that this will happen BUT I have a niggling feeling that something is going to happen involving this FFP situation with Man City having 115 serious money cases to be charged against them, and this is where I have this feeling that when the charges are sorted and appliedit could be that they will be relegated to maybe down two divisions and we finishing third??? will be saved by the skin of our teeth, I know it sounds ridiculous, but it keeps playing on my mind that something like this will happen, as these teams who break the rules and think they can get away with it will be found out. a harsh sentence has to be meted out to bring this ridiculous over-spending to a conclusion for the good of all clubs wanting promotion to the Premiership.
If we do go down, we will lose quite a few of our best players, and KM will be tempted away. so let's wait and see COYB

[ashfordblue]

....Anyway, that's it for me now. I'm done with it this season.

We see who's still about next season in the Championship, won't we.

Liz, regarding our situation, battling with relegation, and it looks certain that this will happen BUT I have a niggling feeling that something is going to happen involving this FFP situation with Man City having 115 serious money cases to be charged against them, and this is where I have this feeling that when the charges are sorted and applied it could be that they will be relegated to maybe down two divisions and we finishing third??? will be saved by the skin of our teeth, I know it sounds ridiculous, but it keeps playing on my mind that something like this will happen, as these teams who break the rules and think they can get away with it will be found out. a harsh sentence has to be meted out to bring this ridiculous over-spending to a conclusion for the good of all clubs wanting promotion to the Premiership.
If we do go down, we will lose quite a few of our best players, and KM will be tempted away. so let's wait and see COYB

[mendipblue]

The word “process” was only ever used in the context of ITFC as a whole, building again from the ruins & shyte-pile left after Mevans…… and used by Mark Ashton.

Can anyone, (not just you Hallam) put something on this site in relation to Kieron McKenna referring to “picking the team” as a process.
Because i missed that memo.

McKenna has used that phrase several times in post match interviews when justifying the performances/ results marko.

, i need to go try and seek that out when more time available. Because it makes no sense.
What process? There cant be a process. Things evolve as and when things happen.

Exactly. I would not waste your time looking

[Bluemike]

I couldn't really be arsed to post much after the game as it's often the worst time to do it, certainly for me anyway as emotions are raised. However, a couple of points, firstly Woolfenden was spot on in his interview regrading the foul on Phillips in the lead up to their goal, every bloody Town player should have been in the Refs face applying pressure not one or Two, it could just have forced a decision, instead we just accept it, that's where we miss Morsy, he'd have been snapping at the Ref.

The other thing is why do we never seem able to snatch a win in any close game, we just change personnel and do the same old sh*te, never a change in formation, never throw an additional striker on, we just go like for like and see what happens, whatever anyone thinks that's down to the Manager, its very predictable and a whole lot frustrating.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

You’re negative though. Your natural “go to” is Luton.

I’ll say Burnley or The Blades. Have more faith in your club.

Jaysus H

It's hardly negative - it's merely pointing out that your entirely unfounded speculation that we will be winning next season in the Championship is not true in all cases. Oh, and don't ever tell me what to do, it really pisses me off.

Ok, don’t have more faith then. Who the fk cares? Continue being a “Luton”. It’s not as if your “positivity” could ever be f**king missed eh?

Negativity or realism? There's a world of difference.
We have 10 games to play, and are 6 points (effectively 7 when gd is taken into consideration) adrift of safety. And Leicester are level with us with a game in hand, so there's no guarantee of even finishing 18th (which we would need should Man City be deducted points this season).
6 points adrift, 10 games to play: our previous 10 PL games have yielded just 5 points - if we don't improve then we're not gonna catch Wolves even if they lose all of their remaining games. And there's little sign that we're suddenly going to show a big improvement. That's not negativity, it's not about faith, it's cold hard facts of how things stand. And no guarantee that the poor performances will not be carried over into next season. Hell, we have no idea what players we will have next season, or who the manager will be. Blind unsubstantiated faith is all well and good, but it can make you look a bit foolish if it doesn't happen.

[EveryoneKnowsaDave]

What we do have to remember though Liz is even in the championship last season Hirst made 26 appearances and scored only 7 goals, that's hardly prolific at a far lower level.

Were they all for decent minutes though? I cant remember.

This season for example Hurst has had 16 appearances in the Prem which i was suprised to read! Maybe all together they add up to 90 minutes!

[Bluemike]

You'll have to ask McKenna why he doesn't rate him enough to use him more.

[marko69]

There’s also a world of difference in the two different types of foolishness, Odious. The positive “fools” like me. And the negative “fools” like you. ……. Oh no i forgot, its “realism”
Nothing “real” happened when you wanted the messiah replaced with someone else in League One. Now THAT was fairly foolish on looking back.

If (or when to some) Ipswich are relegated, and the club finish 21st in the 25/26 season, I ain’t going to feel foolish, I can 100% guarantee that.

[hallamblue]

What we do have to remember though Liz is even in the championship last season Hirst made 26 appearances and scored only 7 goals, that's hardly prolific at a far lower level.

Were they all for decent minutes though? I cant remember.

This season for example Hurst has had 16 appearances in the Prem which i was suprised to read! Maybe all together they add up to 90 minutes!

I've been looking at our forwards utilisation by McKenna which I'll post later....

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

There’s also a world of difference in the two different types of foolishness, Odious. The positive “fools” like me. And the negative “fools” like you. ……. Oh no i forgot, its “realism”
Nothing “real” happened when you wanted the messiah replaced with someone else in League One. Now THAT was fairly foolish on looking back.

If (or when to some) Ipswich are relegated, and the club finish 21st in the 25/26 season, I ain’t going to feel foolish, I can 100% guarantee that.

Oh dear, touched a nerve have I?

According to you, it's the players that have let us down this season and not the manager. That's fine, but you'd have to apply the same logic and say that it was the players that got us back to back promotions and not the manager. So maybe I was right in wanting him out whilst we were still in L1? I don't know, it was just my gut instinct which you jump on to ridicule at any opportunity you get. He's proved he can't manage at PL level, so let's see what happens over the next few months.

[marko69]

There’s also a world of difference in the two different types of foolishness, Odious. The positive “fools” like me. And the negative “fools” like you. ……. Oh no i forgot, its “realism”
Nothing “real” happened when you wanted the messiah replaced with someone else in League One. Now THAT was fairly foolish on looking back.

If (or when to some) Ipswich are relegated, and the club finish 21st in the 25/26 season, I ain’t going to feel foolish, I can 100% guarantee that.

Oh dear, touched a nerve have I?

According to you, it's the players that have let us down this season and not the manager. That's fine, but you'd have to apply the same logic and say that it was the players that got us back to back promotions and not the manager. So maybe I was right in wanting him out whilst we were still in L1? I don't know, it was just my gut instinct which you jump on to ridicule at any opportunity you get. He's proved he can't manage at PL level, so let's see what happens over the next few months.

Yes, you defo do touch a nerve. I think its because on long unbeaten runs in both the L1 & Champ seasons you f**king disappear. For literally months. Then when the unsavoury sh*t starts, you’re back loaded with opinions and now talking about realism and foolishness. That pisses me off.
I put you on ignore believe it or not but people were quoting you. The ignore feature then doesn’t work. I’ll use the f**king scroll wheel from now on. But I’ll definitely go buy a real physical medal, engrave it with your name if ITFC “do a Luton” ……. I’ll make it my profile photo for the first game in the League One season 26/27 season.
“Odious was right all along!”

[Bluemike]

What we do have to remember though Liz is even in the championship last season Hirst made 26 appearances and scored only 7 goals, that's hardly prolific at a far lower level.

Were they all for decent minutes though? I cant remember.

This season for example Hurst has had 16 appearances in the Prem which i was suprised to read! Maybe all together they add up to 90 minutes!

The thing is I have no idea why some are making it an issue between Delap and Hirst, both our assets, both decent at what they do and both trying their best in the hardest league in the world, why is it a competition? There's pros and cons to both, its almost a tit for tat let's take sides thing which frankly is ridiculous.

[AzzurroMark]

The thing is I have no idea why some are making it an issue between Delap and Hirst, both our assets, both decent at what they do and both trying their best in the hardest league in the world, why is it a competition? There's pros and cons to both, its almost a tit for tat let's take sides thing which frankly is ridiculous.

Mike, I couldn't agree more.... fortunately .

I can get the reasoning behind some wanting to play both of them up front together, however when they are the only two strikers that we have of that ilk, I feel it is a big risk to start with them. Having one of them on the bench gives us options to change like for like (in other words at least keeping a bustling target man on the pitch who will occupy defenders), though I also appreciate like-for-like Subs are a gripe many aim at KM! It might be worth putting Hirst on post 65-70 minutes and keeping Delap on too, I would of course be interested to see how that worked out! However, do you lose something in other areas by doing that? I don't watch us much so I don't have a clue!

In my heart, I feel that we just haven't got the quality in our side and while KM keeps 'tinkering', injuries/suspensions certainly haven't helped us to keep a settled side! We have a very young forward prong of players who will, I'm sure, be a huge asset to us, even if only in any fee we get for them! The more games they play, hopefully the better they should get! Hutchinson took quite some time to show a better level of consistency and I believe Clark could do too and Philogene will eventually. They need minutes to build towards a better version of themselves!

Incidentally, I notice there seem to be general waves of opinions about who should play where etc. I am interested to know where all the strong calls for Hutch to play down the right side subsided to? Is Hutch playing down the right or still central (If the former I can understand why that hot topic has cooled)? If he is playing down the right, are we any better for it? It certainly seems goals scored have actually worsened to me! While this question could appear to be a bit petulant, there is a genuine interest in what the majority of posters who attacked KM for playing him centrally think now?

[EveryoneKnowsaDave]

What we do have to remember though Liz is even in the championship last season Hirst made 26 appearances and scored only 7 goals, that's hardly prolific at a far lower level.

Were they all for decent minutes though? I cant remember.

This season for example Hurst has had 16 appearances in the Prem which i was suprised to read! Maybe all together they add up to 90 minutes!

I've been looking at our forwards utilisation by McKenna which I'll post later....

That'll be interesting to read. Hirst 16 appearances and 1 goal sounds sh*t but isn't a fair representation of reality as i suspect he's played no more than the equivalent of 2 or 3 full games if the minutes are added up. 1 goal from 3 is decent.

[mendipblue]

What we do have to remember though Liz is even in the championship last season Hirst made 26 appearances and scored only 7 goals, that's hardly prolific at a far lower level.

Were they all for decent minutes though? I cant remember.

This season for example Hurst has had 16 appearances in the Prem which i was suprised to read! Maybe all together they add up to 90 minutes!

The thing is I have no idea why some are making it an issue between Delap and Hirst, both our assets, both decent at what they do and both trying their best in the hardest league in the world, why is it a competition? There's pros and cons to both, its almost a tit for tat let's take sides thing which frankly is ridiculous.

Perfectly put